Date: 8/15/2003 10:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 4614
I've been saying this for years...And It's not just with terrorism...Your last line says it all "Let's use FACTS here ok, not suspicion", that line should go for EVERYTHING...You said 90% of USM is paranoid, I think 90% is delusional   |
Date: 8/15/2003 10:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
I would have to agree with you. I really don't think it is any kind of conspiracy..these things do happen and I'm sure it will be explained, though never to everyones satisfaction. There will always be those of the tinfoil hat brigade who will believe it was something more, perhaps alians??? We have not updated our power grids as we should, we have not been building new power plants as we should due to environmentalists being against it. So really, it isn't surprising that stuff like this doesn't happen more often.  |
Date: 8/15/2003 11:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 58427
I agree with Sundance, Kelly, and you! I don't believe it was terrorism. Good Post!  |
Date: 8/15/2003 11:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 46530
OK. I am not in the US. I never would be for the plain fact that you guys don't seem to understand one point. There is a big wide world out there, and most of it hates the US. NOT the people in it, just the freedom, financial irresponsibility and foreign policies of the US. This opens you up to what you call terrorism. In fact this isn't terrorism by the "terrorists" but by your own government, who are putting the scares on you so that they can bring in measures for protection that they should have done forty years ago. Terrorists don't just blow things up. They let you know about it first so that you can be scared out of your wits. An example. A quite town in an area of the world that is known for terrorism and nationalism gets a bomb threat. The town has a policy in this eventuality, move all the people to a square at the bottom of town while the army and police move in to diffuse any bombs that there may be. The people congregate. An hour later while the police and army are searching the town, a car in the "Safe" square blows up. Killing and injuring hundreds. This was the Omah bombing in northern Ireland a few years back. This was done by people formerly of the IRA. Guess who the main funders of the IRA were. The US, through government and US fundraising. You want to know what terrorism is? The US has been funding it for decades, and only now, after someone hit you (which I would never condone) have you realised this and started to talk peace instead of just supplying money. As I say, when I say YOU I dont mean you personally, but the country of the USA.  |
Date: 8/15/2003 11:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Farleys is right in that the U.S. (mostly through irish and catholic charities) financed the IRA for years. And we need to be smarter than we have been about who we support. Do I think this latest power situation was terror related? No- never did. But when it comes to terror we ALL need to wake up an realize that the threat is very real. We ARE at war regarless of what we want to think, people can joke and laugh and feel safe, but it's out there. And while protection is of course needed, we also need to take the fight TO the terrorists and their sponsors. In other words fight them here our fight them there, but you don't eliminate threats with talk and appeasement. The UK has done great work with peace talks and agreements in Northern Ireland. But the SAS also hunted down and eliminated or jailed hundreds of terorists in the process.  |
Date: 8/15/2003 11:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
As it stands the cause is still under investigation. It wasn't lightening or a fire like people were saying... However would the government tell us if it were terrorism? Part of me says yes because we have been yelling "Terrorist" and "WMD" at the drop of a hat, however I also think that if it were to happen we might not blame terrorists, because that would prove the homeland security act isn't working. I don't know what happened. However I am sure that if it happens again it in the near future it will be on purpose, we just gave lots of bad people a few new ideas...  |
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Date: 8/15/2003 11:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
Wow! Thanks for the lesson Farleys, even if it is a little, shall we say wacky, it is enlightening nevertheless. By the way, do you think our government is grown in a science lab? Where do you think government officials come from if not the general population? Cracks me up really. I post a few "The French are really rude" posts and am ripped apart, you just call us terrorists and I suppose we are to grin and bare it...And you are now blaming the IRA on the US government?? I'm sure you think our government is behind 9-11 so we can steal all the oiilll. Oh, how wonderful it must be to be from Great Britian who has never, ever done anything wrong, with such a sterling past. Your country has never enslaved or coloniazed anyone, you never participated in the crusades or anything like that for which America is constantly beaten up for (not that we were around during the crusades or anything). I'm sure your country has never dealt with a dictator or funded any group who turned out to be terrorists. Your country is squeeky clean. Your "truth", is the usual anti-Amercian crap that we dare never critisize here for the Canadians and the Brits might be a tifle offended. Frankly, the double standard makes me sick...Not that I'm, er, pointing fingers at YOU..no, when I say you, I don't really mean YOU, I mean You. |
Date: 8/15/2003 12:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 49150
I believe the power outage was an internal error and not terrorism. I do agree with Farley on a few points. We are hated by most every one in the world for our policies. Even though we elect government officials, once they are in office we don't have ANY control over what they do. We won't even hear of what is going on until it is too late. We do fund governments that terrorize their own people, but the average citizen has no control over this. The average citizen is the one who goes to other countries when there is a disaster. Americans are the 1ST to help out, that's what the world needs to remember!  |
Date: 8/15/2003 12:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
Farleys, good point, but unfortunately, people like me have know all of that has been going on, but heck, I'll never even be allowed to be a chat or admin on this site, let alone president. LOL, so there is not much itty bitties like me can do.  |
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Date: 8/15/2003 12:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
Some people won't ever believe the truth Ad... |
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Date: 8/15/2003 12:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 46530
Kelly, you didnt read what I said. I didn't say that the US started the IRA, but they sure did fund it to the hind teeth. Fact. I didn't say that they did 9/11, though I have seen absolutely no proof of who did, no matter who the UK and US governments have stated did so. The UK is less than sterling now, as it has recently supported two wars against third world countries whos populations plights have been made worse, not better so far. Yes we have a history of colonialisation (and actually the slave trade was there before we got to Africa, the spaniards continued it and we globalised it). Does this all mean that we are good you are bad etc... Of course not. No country is absolutely squeaky clean, and none is down and out in the gutter. What I meant was, that the US, until 9/11 was in its own little bubble where it had not seen a significant terrorist threat from an unknown source. The threat had been from known countries, known people and known weapons. Most other countries had had some form of guerilla warfare being fought on its soil, be it the IRA in Britain, African civil wars or French/Spanish attacks by Basque seperatists |
Date: 8/15/2003 1:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 12835
I prefer to watch the XFILES for the Truth....  |
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Date: 8/15/2003 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
Yeah that fluke-man had me so scared I didn't shower for a week! |
Date: 8/15/2003 2:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I think it was just old equipment and there was a cascade effect. Maybe the government needs to look into modernizing not just the power grid but a whole lot of infrustructure here in the US. It would create good paying jobs. The problem is that upgrading the power lines and sewers and highways just isn't a popular issue when it comes to spending government funds.  |
Date: 8/15/2003 2:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I am willing to wager that if they do start upgrading the power lines and sewers and highways that though we already pay millions of dollars and should have diamond power lines, orchid smelling sewers and gold paved highways, if they do start upgrading then millions more dollars will come out of our pockets to pay for the upgrades.  |
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Date: 8/15/2003 2:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 12835
LOL Barb... |
Date: 8/15/2003 2:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Living in Ny where the terrorist attacks took place the first time, THIS didn't occur to me at all that it was terrorism. Like I said on your first post, to me it was a power failure because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together and say "Hey, it's been hot and humid and the whole state, as well as the rest of the Northeast has been running air conditioners, lot's of power, okay transformer blew or something." We didn't know that it extended as far as it did until the party I was working and other employees arrived. However there were thousands of people in NYC, underground in moving subways that just died and went dark. Now I don't care what someone would say in responsponse to that, there is no convincing me that given the same location and circumstances that the first thought on their mind wouldn't be, " OMG, not again." As far as the government telling us about terrorism and making announcements about things, that is all going to depend on the type of situation.  |
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Date: 8/15/2003 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Man, major overkill on the word response..LOL |
Date: 8/15/2003 4:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
Here's the latest report I've seen on the inquiry into what happened: MICHEHL GENT, PRESIDENT of the North American Electric Reliability Council, said in a conference call with reporters that investigators had determined that a section of the power grid known as the Lake Erie loop experienced a “oscillating power phenomenon” that lasted nine or 10 seconds at the outset of Thursday’s outage. That event — which saw a 300 megawatt eastward flow of electricity quickly reverse into a 500 megawatt flow to the west — caused other transmission lines and power plants on the grid to shut down as protection systems automatically disconnected them to prevent damaging equipment, he said. . . .The Lake Erie loop, which runs from New York as far west as Detroit, then jogs northward into Canada before dropping back into the United State, has “been a problem for years,” Gent said, explaining that the locus of transmission lines south of Lake Erie and Lake Ontario makes it difficult to monitor and control the flow of electricity.....
Bottom line: nobody knows anything yet. But elected officials are already making fools of themselves by blaming each other.
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Date: 8/15/2003 6:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
PinkBunny...what are you doing here? *worried look*, O.k., good debate....I don't know. I don't know what I think about last night. I am more heartened by the RESPONSE of New Yorkers, than anything else.  |
Date: 8/15/2003 7:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
and there was only one bullet*roles eyes*  |
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Date: 8/15/2003 8:28:00 PM ( SD-Admin )
I am at USM and I am American. I'm not paranoid. |
Date: 8/15/2003 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
It wasn't terrorism. But I do think this paranoia is helping to fuel the fear factor. Who needs terrorism when you have all these paranoics around.  |
Date: 8/15/2003 10:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I don't think it was terrorism but I do feel that if the government thought it could possibly be that, they may hesitate in telling us due to the possibility of wide spread panic. I do think however, that this may have been some type of computer virus since the probability of 21 utility sites going down simultaneously is rare and it's still "under investigation." If it really was lightening, why woul all this extra investigation be needed?  |
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Date: 8/15/2003 10:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I live close to Detroit and we experienced this power outage too but only for about 2 hours. I'm used to them though since we live in a rural area and this is our 7th time just this year having outages. The worst one for us this year, lasted two days in the winter and we had to go to a hotel. |
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Date: 8/16/2003 2:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
LOL@Pete |
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Date: 8/16/2003 3:00:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
OK then Wild Bob, then why are all the cities and town around here torn to bits? LOL New roads, new power lines, new sewers, new pipes? LOL |
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Date: 8/16/2003 3:05:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
LSG this post was pretty much in response to those who thought it to be terrorism and E bombs. LOL. It was niether. I think It was just a natural occurance of some type or another. LOL |
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Date: 8/16/2003 3:05:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
LOL@Resiliant |
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Date: 8/16/2003 3:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
WAY TO GO Koolade! That's what I mean! |
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Date: 8/16/2003 3:07:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
You Choose, I am not so convinced it was a CPU system. |
Date: 8/16/2003 3:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 13636
to Farleys: In the words of the infamous Trey Parker and Matt Stone "we dont like you Americans because you dont KNOW we dont like you" *bows*  |
Date: 8/16/2003 6:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 15394
personally I still haven't heard a cause, which makes me feel uneasy about them saying it was not terrorism.... as if they can rule out terrorism but not know the cause... and I think that blindly believing that the government will tell us the truth is very gullible... I guess in light of the last few years (probably longer) I don't trust the government, or news people to tell the truth! Personally I think it was probably a comedy of errors that made it happen... Just because I don't believe what the government is telling us truth, doesn't make me paranoid, it makes me inquisitive!! LOL  |
Date: 8/16/2003 7:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
hahaha*stops and stares*hahahaha, you honestly think the government lets the news tell us everything? i beg to differ  |
Date: 8/16/2003 7:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
farleys im guessing you think that ireland belongs under the control of the UK?
p.s.why is it that the US is blaming canada and canada is blaming the US |
Date: 8/16/2003 8:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
I'm not paranoid about this, and really cant say if it was just something that happened due to old equipment or tampering from a terroist group. But the thing is it doesnt matter, because what ever the cause it did happen. Clearly the best way for any enemy of the USA, would be to take out our powergrids ,thus making communications hard for us. I think we need to be mentally prepared for anything that could happen, rather its from the enemy or just a problem like this black out. I feel for those that live in big cities as they are limited to what is in the stores or what water comes from their taps. Here in the country, if the stores have no food, we have a mountain full of food for the taking. We have deer, rabbit, fish. If our water that is in our taps hasn't been purified though a plant, we still have lots of clear water streams for fresh water. IF were cold we have plenty of dead lumber in the hills to burn for warmth. If were hot there are many lakes to go jump into to cool off. I know people have to live in big cities, but I for one, in this day and age wouldnt live in a big city for any reason.  |
Date: 8/16/2003 8:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 17204
I also highly doubt it was terrorism... Its because the power was over loaded. Simple as that.  |
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Date: 8/16/2003 11:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
well NYC has the hudson, but then again, id rather drink cow urine than "purified" hudson water |
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Date: 8/16/2003 3:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
woah Jestr, believe it or not, not all news people listen to the Govt and tell us what's up REGARDLESS of what the Govt. says. |
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Date: 8/16/2003 10:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
pink bunny, have you not noticed that they never talk about spec.ops on the news? wanna know why? cause their channel will get taken off the air, they call it propaganda, government censored media, its been going on forever |
Date: 8/17/2003 10:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 34487
I totally agree with that FB....there's somethin' to be said for country livin'!!!  |
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Date: 8/17/2003 10:28:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
because spec. ops are just that. Secritive arrangements of people doing undercover work. I truly, TRULY believe that AFTER 9/11, the Govt. will tell us ANYTHING about terrorism. I don't know where you guys all live, but here, if someone coughs funny it's all over the news because of a Govt. Warning. |
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Date: 8/17/2003 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
pink bunny, my ol man works at intelligence on the military base here and you wouldnt believe the stuff they dont put on the news |
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Date: 8/17/2003 4:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I agree and it's because they're worried about wide spread panic or things that may cause distrust or vulnerability toward out government. |
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Date: 8/17/2003 4:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
ooops... ^^^^ toward OUR government. |
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Date: 8/18/2003 4:05:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 29532
Yes, I CAN believe it, but I also believe that a silly thing such as a blackout, IF it were terrorism, it would habe been broadcasted. Plain and simple. |
