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Date: 8/3/2003 10:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 57640
This is a very good post Jesus Freak. I totally agree with you, but yet again I have to take the other side too. I guess its because it just doesn't seem "right" ya know? It opens people up to questions. When women dress like boys in baggy pants or whatever they may wear, it makes people wonder if they really want to be a girl. I don't know, it is a very confusing question to answer, but I hear what you are saying. Maybe someone who is much more brighter than myself (LOL) can answer or explain this?? Good Luck!!! Btw, this is a very good question, i have thought of this also.  |
Date: 8/3/2003 10:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 28848
I haven't seen where in society that it is acceptable for a women to look or be masculine, or to hold a job that is normally held by men. Women struggle with issues like this every day.  |
Date: 8/3/2003 12:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
Cuz men are men for crying out loud. Women can do it cuz they can. That's just the way it is. Men on the other hand are men and should act like it. The best explaination to some things is simply; That's the way it is!  |
Date: 8/3/2003 1:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 10722
A man being feminine and getting made fun of go hand in hand.   |
Date: 8/3/2003 1:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 50678
Because if they are they are gay, lol I hope I can us that word, lol!!! I honestly don't know!!! heehee   |
Date: 8/3/2003 1:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
From watching a man's behavior... this isn't that hard to answer. Guys have the nature to make fun of another guy if he doesn't appear "normal" for the sex that he is. Women, even though at times can be cruel, have the tendency to want to love and support another. Most of my guy friends are a lot more sensitive and girly than I'll ever be but that's why I like them. I think it also has to do with insecurity. Everyone should embrace their differences and appreciate others that are in fact different from them but when is the world really going to start doing that?  |
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Date: 8/3/2003 1:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
Plus men are known to be the 'supporters' of a family and if they act like a female... they are then not doing their job. It's rather confusing... |
Date: 8/3/2003 3:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 46530
this all goes back to the war. Women had to take on the guy's jobs, adn could hardly do so in frilly dresses. When the boys came home they decided they liked the convenience of trousers and kept wearing them. Men have never had the same thing (in reverse) so wearing skirts would be a very large departure from the norm. If it kept happening then it would soon be passe, but for now it isnt  |
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Date: 8/3/2003 4:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
Dennis Rodman does own his masculinity well while wearing a dress. Of course he's a six foot plus, athlete, who no man in their right mind would dare tease. |
Date: 8/3/2003 4:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
People assume things and follow stereotypes as they do for most things.  |
Date: 8/3/2003 6:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
I don't know..could be about the preconceived notions that people have about how people are supposed to act..I really don't have a problem with "feminine" acting men..  |
Date: 8/3/2003 6:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 4144
you gotta good point! I don't have a clue. i've never really thought about it!.........until now!  |
Date: 8/3/2003 7:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 52140
really release? I didn't notice, maybe its cuz I haven't had a real job yet..  |
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Date: 8/3/2003 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 62187
Before anything else let me state that I am truly biased about this subject. Being Transgendered, I now live my life completely as if I were born female. I have dedicated some time considering this very question. Here are my feelings. These are merely my own. I speak for no one else, and what I include is by no means definitive. Firstly, please agree that we are part of a male dominated culture. I present this point because in Matriarchies, the question usually does not arise. However, in ours it does. In other 'Macho' Latin cultures, the intolerance is even more pronounced. Therefore, in my opinion, two reasons are applicable, maybe working singularly, or in combination. Primarily, males, usually seem threatened by the feminine in general. They do not understand it, and do not wish to. These days, popular culture is filled with images of man's blatant disrespect for women. Granted there is love between the two genders, but there is also hate. For example, consider the number of spousal assaults endured by women every year here in our lovely country. I hypothesize, that Men, therefore, see a feminine man, or a transgendered male as a threat, as well. Doubly so as they see us as traitors to our birth sex. We all know how traitors are to be dealt with in our society. Secondly, our culture is very 'power' oriented. The more power one possesses, the more respect one is granted. We are continually being classified by the power we display. Power is equated with wealth and success. People that increase their power are praised, and looked upon as wise. To voluntarily decrease your power is discouraged at best, and possibly forbidden. Consider someone at work turning down a promotion, because he valued his present position. Would he last in today's capitalist environment? Women in our society do not have the power of the men. In any Patriarchal society, women have less value. Therefore a feminine male, or transgendered person, are denying power. They immediately have less value, less than women in fact, because they have no reproductive value. For the same reasons, a masculine woman, or transgendered female, are seen to be part of male culture. They have wisely increased their power, and, although they are not men, they are acceptable. Therefore they are ignored, and not hated. On a personal level, I deal with this prejudice and hatred, everyday. I have begun to accept it as a natural part of life. In fact, that very intolerance from men has moved me even closer to my female friends. The alienation that you preferred upon me, hasn't yet materialized. I am sorry this reply stretched so long, however I do not know how I might have shortened it. Thank you ..... <<<Baby Girl Sandi>>> |
Date: 8/3/2003 7:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
I don't know about everywhere else, but here in Alabama, it's not acceptable for a women to wear men's clothing. And I'd have to beat my own self up if I was to go out with a dress on. Call me gender biased or whatever, but men should dress and act like a man, while women should dress and act like a woman.  |
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Date: 8/3/2003 8:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 62187
Pyro... Unfortunatly, that is the attitude that will keep Alabama in the nineteenth century for a while longer. I am from Alabama, too hun. maybe we could date and discuss things. LOL. <<<Baby Girl Sandi>>> |
| Date: 8/3/2003 8:09:00 PM From Authorid: 62187 Pyro .. May I quote someone you know? "Now many people think Alabama is a state filled with ignorant rednecks. Thats bull pooh, cuz' we is some ejumuhcated folks! Ok, so maybe we are ignorant, but hey, no one is perfect!" I believe that proves my point! <<<Baby Girl Sandi>>> |
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Date: 8/3/2003 8:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
Ignorance is bliss..... By the way, what part of Alabama are you from? |
Date: 8/3/2003 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Like Sandi, I too am transgendered. I also live in Alabama. Pyro, I do not know what part of the state you live in, but I see women wearing men's clothes every day. For some, it is because of the work they do. For others, it is because they want to. If I want to put on a dress and go out, I do it, even though I am still anatomically male. If someone has a problem with it, then they need to do something about their problem, and not worry with my problems. How many people have ever seen old paintings where the men were dressed "foppish"? Were they any less men? Not in their day and time. Try going to a Highlands Games sometime, and walk up to a Scot and laugh at him wearing a kilt. Just don't do it while he is holding a hammer waiting on the hammer throw. Most men are insecure in their own masculinity. They may not feel so, but it often shows in their actions. That is why they laugh or make fun of a male who dresses feminine. You may want to remember one thing though, some of those men who dress or act feminine may have done things more masculine in their life than most men will ever do.  |
Date: 8/3/2003 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
hi  |
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Date: 8/3/2003 10:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Personally, I couldn't care less what people wear. How does it personally effect me anyway? It doesn't and I'm not a stylist or their judge so I say.... there's more important issues in this world today than who wears what. The only time I ever have a problem with something someone is or isn't wearing... is when they are "hanging out all over" in public and no one is swimming anywhere in the vicinity. As long as someone isn't beign grotesque by showing body parts, I don't have issues. |
Date: 8/4/2003 6:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 60052
I personally don't see anything wrong with men dressing in women's clothes. I mean, hey whatever floats your boat. My Uncle Jim is a heterosexual cross dresser. He makes an ugly man, but a beautiful woman. I love him just the same whethe he is Uncle Jim or Aunt Jenny. Uncle Jim has a very understanding wife, and 4 wonderful kids who enjoy the well-rounded experience of being able to play sports and do "men things" with their dad as well as being able to play Barbies and tea party. I think people need to get over their stereotypes and predjudices and just love life.  |
Date: 8/4/2003 9:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
i wish i had the answers to this one, maybe its the redneck side of our culture showing threw  |
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Date: 8/4/2003 11:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 16849
Ok, perhaps I have a misunderstanding about what everyone means when they say a female dressing like a male. If that means a girl wearing blue jeans and a T-shirt, then I take what I said back. But I still think that, on formal occasions anyway, a woman should wear a dress as opposed to a suit and tie, which is what should be worn by a man. It my be 19th century thinking, but my son (assuming I will have a son) will not being going out in a dress. Oh no, not on my watch. Sorry if that is offensive to anyone, but that is my opinion. By the way, besides slavery, women not being able to vote, and that minor war we had, what was so bad about the 1800's? |
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Date: 8/4/2003 3:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 62187
Pyro ... I hope your son or daughter turns out the way you wish. My father was a man's man. He also expected the same from me. I, however, could never fulfill that role. I saw the distress that brought to him. I could not change my behavior, nor he his longing for a 'real son.' Please reconsider your position before your child is born. That will be your child and your blood. You must love that child no matter how he or she dresses or acts. Please realize that they have no choice in this. Gender Identity Disorder is a medical condition. It will manifest itself no matter what upbringing they have. At the point it does, as a parent you may choose to damage your child through shame and intolerance, or support them with love and understanding. my father chose the first option. I pray you are wise enough to chose the latter. GOD BLESS. <<<Baby Girl Sandi>>> |
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Date: 8/5/2003 3:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
ooh ooh pyro pick me, i can answer this, lets start with the KKK and the factories or the indians being slaughtered by the thousands, i dunno, you pick what you find bad |
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Date: 8/5/2003 7:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
Calm down fellas, that was a joke. |
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Date: 8/5/2003 7:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
About the 1800's anyways... |
Date: 8/5/2003 9:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
well downtown Sydney in the state of N.S.W. people dress however they choose to, and to be quite honest, you wouldnt know the difference whether they were male or female, some of the guys that dress as women are beautiful as some of the girls that dress as guys look great also, but I know what you are talking about here, I suppose we are expected to dress to our gender, and thats the way its always been, but who knows what the future holds in this world of ours today, I dont think anyone should make fun of either who choose to dress they way they want...hugs  |
| Date: 8/6/2003 7:36:00 AM From Authorid: 62187 Zema... Australia might be upside down to us here in the USA, but you are certainly not. Thank you for you enlightened point of view. <<<Baby Girl Sandi>>> |
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Date: 8/6/2003 1:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Zema, you are right about one thing, we are supposed to dress to our "gender". What most people do not understand though, is gender is determined in the mind, while sex is determined by our physical being. In other words, I can be a physical male, but my gender can be female. |
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Date: 8/7/2003 3:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 52140
pyro, nothing's wrong. *cool look* the south's just jealous the yankees won! |
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Date: 8/7/2003 9:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
Perhaps you are right about that Jesus Freak, but it still doesn't change who we are. |
Date: 8/8/2003 1:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 57225
i personally dont care what people where...its their own personal preference and they shouldnt be reprimanded for it. but in general society does indeed frown upon men dressing more 'feminine' but to me its like whos to say whats feminine and whats not. like you said, a long time ago men did wear skirts/dresses and then the styles changed to where they didnt. who cares what people wear  |
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Date: 8/9/2003 2:27:00 AM
From Authorid: 62146
I agruee with you. I mostly think it is slack how guys get picked on if they cry. It is what humans do not what women do. But guys if you do cry and girls are watching alot of the time the girl will fell sorry for you and be all like "oh are you ok" And you get alot of attention despit what the other guys say girls will want to help someone if they see them upset it like how we have evoulved LOL. Ok well Although I see your point I think it is because guys don't really like wearing skirts and makeup though they like to be comfortable you see they like to muck around more and fell comfortable. *Cosmic Freak*  |
Date: 8/11/2003 2:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
I dont care either way. How a person looks doesnt effect the way they are on the inside.  |
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