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Date: 8/2/2003 12:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
hummmmmmmmm I will get back to this post as soon as I'm done with my stuff. Sounds like its going to be an interesting one.  |
Date: 8/2/2003 12:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 46530
The way you put it, even parents don't have the right to do that. Parents have the right to provide guidance in religious matters, as well as most other matters. If the child is put in a situation where another adult has the opportunity to impart whatever beliefs they have then I guess it would be up to the parents to decide if the child should be put in that situation again. Personally I don't see faith as something that should be forced on others, whether my child or not, so I wouldn't do so. If others try to push anything onto my step-kids then I explain to them what I think, but don't tell them either way is wrong. In faith, nothing is at all certain, especially the afterlife  |
Date: 8/2/2003 1:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
Morals yes, religion no. As a schol teacher I feel it is not only my right but my duty to teach good moral standards, usually by example. I do not feel however that it would be appropriate to encourage one religion over another, in fact I would lose my job if I were to do so.  |
Date: 8/2/2003 1:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
HI Farley's, LSR, thank you for your replies. What I was trying to express is it is wrong, to feel anyone has the authority to impose their beliefs, especially religious, on someone elses child. First of all-no one has the answers, when it comes to religion. We simply do not know, and will NOT know, until we leave this world. Parnets may run their homes however they choose. If I send my son to my friend Mary's house, I know my friend Mary is Catholic. There are religious statues in the yard, and crosses in the home. I know, if Jon stays for a meal, the family will cross-themselves & pray. That is wonderful. The family taught, by example, this is what they believe. I have NO problem with that at all. BUT, if someone drags out the Bible, and tells my son he is Hellbound because he has not done "this-and-this", guess what? You just screwed-up BIGTIME. Now, I have 16-year old kids ask me for tarot readings. I say "no". They ask why, I say "out of respect for your parents, I will not do this". They can always come back to see me when they are 18 years old. Same with my paranormal class.Know why? because when you teach a child something different that what their parents have taught them, you are implying that the parents are wrong. You have INFRINGED on the parents rights. That is my opinion  |
Date: 8/2/2003 1:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
"Impose" or share?? There is a difference...There are many "young" people here at USM that read much of the different God/Goddess beliefs. Are you saying that we should not share our God/Goddess here at USM?? I believe, as a christian, saved by the blood of the perfect Lamb of God that being Jesus, that if I know that someone is on a path to hell, it is a spiritual obligation to share Jesus Christ and salvation with that person. Otherwise...I will have to answer for my silence at the judgment.  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 1:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I have friends that teach Eastern Religion. They are NUTS about not eating meat. I mean FANATICAL. They think if you eat meat, you come back as a cow. And, you are tortured by these demon-thingys before that. Now, they come to my house, I serve veggie dogs. I go to their house, they feed us veggie stuff. My son knows they don't eat meat & why. The first time, my friends were to tell my son he will end up on a BBQ because he ate a hamburger, guess what? they are now FORMER friends. Now, imagine if some self-imposed "expert" on the internet tried that with my child, I would be beyond mad. (How DARE you scare my child.......) get my drift? |
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Date: 8/2/2003 1:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
KC-you believe you will have to answer for your silence at the Judgement Seat. HOWEVER, don't you trust your God enough to let Him provide opportunities, besides yourself, for someones salvation? And, why are you reponsible for someone elses salvation? Now, you are mixing aplles in oranges in the this way-at USM, we were "sharing". Hounding & harassing is "imposing". Targeting youth for a particular message is "unexceptable". That is being a preditor, ~IMO~ |
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Date: 8/2/2003 1:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Dan-isn't it better to "share" by example? KC-you believe in hell. I understand that. I have also been very respectful to you personally on your beliefs, true? I can neither prove, nor disprove hell. Neither can you. Now, if you want to share you beliefs with young people-cool! that is nice. BUT, there is a line between "sharing", and "imposing". That is what this debate is about |
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Date: 8/2/2003 1:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
And, Dan, when have I ever said we should not share our religion ? *stern look* I am saying, no NOT impose on a parents natural right to be their own childs spirit-guide. Or, lack thereof. |
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Date: 8/2/2003 2:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
As far as religion is concerned I agree that it is wrong to try and convert another person's child. However, as far as teaching good moral standards often school is the only place a child will have to learn those standards, after all, school should educate the whole person and not just teach facts. |
Date: 8/2/2003 2:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
well if I had've waited for my parents to teach me religion, i would still be waiting, about the only religious teaching or whatnot my parents attempted was sending me to vacation bible school for 5 days in the summer for like 3-4 hours, that's IT I found wicca praising the almighty internet to my grandma and she's like "look up candle magick" then "look up wicca" and i'm like DUDE that makes SENSE! lol i've always been interested in magic and "fantasy" books and stuff, so basically i'm taking it upon myself to teach my little sister religion, i gave her a prep course for bible school "baby doll do you know who jesus is" "who's jebus" i'm like ooo crud, but she's only 5 so i still have a little time,  |
Date: 8/2/2003 2:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i think when it comes to things like beliefs no no one shoud impose thier beliefs on someone elses child unless the parents have asked for them to do it(like they take thier child to sunday school) but if it's things like real things like "this is what happens when you speed" i think it's ok... but that isn't really a belief that is a fact what is different  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
but as to actively trying to convert kids, don't come knockin on my door trying to talk to my sister hand me your material and i'll pass it on to my sister if it doesn't seem to cult like... |
Date: 8/2/2003 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
*wonders what the 'perfect blood of the lamb' means* I've watched National Geographic shows on the Discover channel, and several where primitive native tribes in Africa place a high regard for bloodletting, blood drinking, blood rituals and ceremonial rites. Notice: I said 'primitive' tribes. Hi LSG, I do understand what you are saying here, and do believe that it would be really *nice* and kind of a perfect world, if everyone were HONEST in these matters, and if everyone DID merely wish to "SHARE" their religious beliefs, and ONLY when ASKED (and especially asked by children). But that is not reality; that is not the way IT IS out in the cruel world. Except for online, and mostly USM, I rarely ever have anything even ask or comes up with regard to any religious beliefs, that is, with regard to any CHILDREN. And I hadn't given it any thought until you mentioned it the other night. I suppose all this is because that I do not have children myself. Even if I did; I believe the only time I'd ever say anything is if a child specifically ASK me about something specific. Or, if I saw one child abusing another child in the way of screaming at him/her that he/she was "going to hell" or of that nature; you know, scaring another child?. Also, there is something else to think about. What if an adult; a caring, MATURE and responsible adult KNOWS that that child is from a very bad homelife; where there is no discipline; no structure, no morals, NOTHING but drugs, booze, bad examples?? And that child is like a sponge, asking all sorts of questions, probing, inquiring.....what then? Are you just to ignore those opportunities to help a child? Now, I do not go out of my way to infringe, or push , in real life, nor on USM. But if someone messages me with specific questions, then I am compelled to be totally honest with them. On USM, I think this is a wonderful place for kids to come and read about all kinds of beliefs, and then make up their own minds. I don't think it is healthy to try to make everything perfect and or perpetuate a facade of perfectness, with children, for its going to be doublely hard when they DO get out there and have to deal with and get along with masses of people who do not share THEIR religion and views. Children learn best by EXAMPLE, by demonstration, by SEEING.  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 2:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
if they ASK it's ok to SHARE... and there is a difference between religion and morals |
Date: 8/2/2003 3:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
What kind of loaded question is this anyway? Is it all right for an adult to impose their body on anothers' child? Their political beliefs? Their money? Their taste in clothes? Come on. No one is going to come here and say it is all right to IMPOSE anything on anothers' child. Do we have "the right" to our opinions/beliefs/thoughts? Absolutely. And we can all freely state same as long as the guidelines are IMPOSED. How do we know how stating anything will INFLUENCE anothers' child? We don't. So now what? We don't say anything? We just say things that are so general in nature ("The sky is blue." that the influence is meaningless? "Go read this Bible scripture" or "go read that book on Buddha" isn't influencing impressionable minds? Kids are curious just like a lot of adults. To claim that you are not IMPOSING your belief system on anyone, be that child or adult, I can understand and certainly agree with. But to further stretch that to conclude that you are not INFLUENCING the thoughts of anyone, child or adult, by putting forth your belief system (just as I do is totally unrealistic. God Bless.  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 3:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Repelling Negativity Spell, this was written by you LSG, and personally I believe that this is teaching majic as there are many children here under the age of 18. http://unsolvedmysteries.com/usm287951.html Then of course we have your post the money spell, http://unsolvedmysteries.com/usm284330.html Then we have the Astral Magic and obe Instructions http://unsolvedmysteries.com/usm281030.html This is just to name a few. Now I can see that while your not targeting a youth group you are teaching them Majic. So actually you are teaching other peoples kids under the age of 18, here on usm. Im sure some parents really dont want their under 18 year old children viewing some of this. So your doing what your saying should NOT be done. Explain lucy??? |
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Date: 8/2/2003 3:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
firstborn but it wasn't like she was walking up to some child and saying "you'll live in eternal torment forever" and she was passing on information, she didn't say that you have to be wiccan and the little bit of info she passes on isn't really going to matter..... |
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Date: 8/2/2003 3:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
moon storm, same thing, she is still teaching kids under the age of 18 magic, no matter how you look at it. |
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Date: 8/2/2003 3:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
so, what she's talking about is openly saying "childeren come let me teach you magick," and she didn't do that i viewed those posts and they were not geared towards lil kids, and i have another question, doesn't usm need parental permission to have an account? |
Date: 8/2/2003 3:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 22852
My children were born Catholic yet they have choosen not to follow this religion. I feel it is my job as a parent to teach my children morals and also teach them that are many different religions and to respect them all. We have people around here that preach to my children and out of respect they say nothing but come to me with their feelings. I tell them that it is up to them to decide what they want to follow and that as long as they live a good honest life, that is what is important. My oldest son will have nothing to do with Wicca or the Church but he believes in God in his heart, my youngest son believes in God but he also learns about Wicca and all other religions, he said he has not decided what he wishes to follow. But I never force my beliefs to other children even though their parents seem to preach their beliefs on my son. If people taught their children to respect all religions and respect people in their choice of religions then things would be fine.  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 3:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Rather its geared toward kids or not, rather its in real life or not, LSG said::She did not teach kids majic. Those are spells. No kids on usm do not have to have their parents permission to get an account, or they had not had to, I dont think its changed. There are kids on this forum as young as ten years old. So rather she SAID here kids come, look, see, learn, or not doesn't matter as she knows that not only is the forum read by those of us on usm, but by even those with out accounts as they can read the stories, they just cant reply. |
Date: 8/2/2003 4:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Teaching/ Sharing is not what I'd call "Impossing". I'm not happy with the socialist skewed and slanted garbage my kids are taught in school on a daily basis. But I know my duty as a parent is to try and build on the basics they learn there and let them form their own opinions. On the other hand I know there are parents who agree with everything taught in the classroom and are so busy with their own petty problems that they do nothing with their kids in addition to that. I see the results of that every day, often right here. The summation of this is you only get impossed on if you let it happen. You're a parent TEACH your children. And you should have no further worries.  |
Date: 8/2/2003 4:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Hmmm well if you are in a role where that is what you would normally be doing such as a rabbi, priest, minister then yes. If a parent or gaurdian knows and permits it then yes but otherwise no you dont. That is jsut my opinion though  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 4:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
sorry to post & dash-my Tampa Bay Bucs are playing...see you after the game |
Date: 8/2/2003 5:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 53689
I, personally will be teaching my children about all the religions I can, but I know that I would be very very upset if someone would come along and tell my child that if they don't choose a specific religion they will be punished. But I have no problem with someone offering knowlegde of religion. Example: If someone told my child what Christ taught, I would not have a problem...but if they told my child that they were going to hell if they didn't follow Christianity, we would have a big problem. The same goes with any religion.  |
| Date: 8/2/2003 5:43:00 PM ( SD-Admin ) I'm not commenting on this post to debate but to point something out here about Parents and USM... I will say This...Some parents aren't involved with their children as much as others and don't know what they look at here on USM or anywhere else. Also...a parent can come in and set up things here on USM so that their child can't see posts of certian topics. As long as a parent is active and checks to make sure the settings aren't changed their shouldn't be a problem, they still have some control. Keep it sweet |
Date: 8/2/2003 7:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 16705
GOD wants us to help HIM watch out for HIS children. if you see a parent abusing a child would you step in or would you say it's none of your business? whether it be a child or an adult if i thought they were in danger i would do what i could to help. Hamb918  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Like others have said, "this is a loaded question". I was not sure of the direction or intent of the post. I just wanted to get the meat of the question out in the open. Yes, pushing, continual pirvate messages, targeting, are all part of imposing. But stating ones belief, openly, in the presence of youg people or young readers and making full disclosure of my beliefs and Gods word, and on a public forum, is not imposing. I rarely PM anybody and never with the intent to "impose". I know you have been respectful to me and we have a good past between us at USM. Thank you LSG. I appreciate your relies and resect your beliefs. "opportunities" ??, we've all seen or heard of tragic accidents or crimes (by evil people) which "steal" opportunities from everyone, young and old. How is anyone to know when maybe "they" were the last "opportunity" for someones soul? Nothing is gained by silence, but much is often lossed... |
Date: 8/2/2003 7:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 36079
This is the reason I don't want my kids going to public school, I don't want anyone imposing any of there beliefs on my kids, I'm warry of tv movies and video games. I want to be the one to teach my children of spiritual and moral issues. If a kid asks me about God I will say it as factual as I can make it without putting in my 2 cents or I might tell them to ask there own parents, both warrant a discussion with the parents though. Also in my faith, a child is believed not to be damned until a certian age of understanding anyway.  |
Date: 8/2/2003 7:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
I don't think that anyone has the right to impose their religous beliefs on anyone whether child or adult..its okay to share stories and knowledge but don't try to frighten them or embarass them or guilt them into "choosing" your religion as their own. It's all about free will and individual choice..  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 53689
Hamb, There is a great deference between a child being frieghtened into believing a particular religion and a child in danger of physical abuse. As far as feeling you have the right to "save" a child that you believe is following the wrong religious path...Are you a Christian? If you are, what if someone who is a Wiccan felt that |
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Date: 8/2/2003 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 53689
oops...hit the submit button by accident....what if someone who was Wiccan felt that YOUR child was following the wrong religion? And decided to preach to your child about Wicca? Would you accept that? Or would you be upset that someone was teaching your child something that you didn't want them believeing in? |
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Date: 8/2/2003 8:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
Good point TarHeel Girl!! Anyone would be upset and even irate to learn that someone was teaching their child about things other than what the parents themselves believe and teach in the home..and worse yet if they were trying to impose those same beliefs upon the child. Children are very impressionable, so even just speaking intently could be viewed as an imposition of sorts.. |
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Date: 8/2/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Positions shared within these replies displays the beginning of a movement toward censorship of free speach. To deny anyone the freedom to "share" their religion and beliefs to anyone at anytime is to surrender another freedom that many have given their lifes to instill and protect. To deny one is to deny all.... |
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Date: 8/2/2003 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
I have nothing against free speech..however, there is a line when we are talking about children..they are not of an age to make up their own mind yet..but what they learn in the home is a beginning. As they grow older they will develop curiosity and search out answers of their own..someone should not feel free to just give them input regarding things that they are not old enough to fully absorb and mull over for themselves yet..it can only lead to confuse them. |
Date: 8/2/2003 10:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i agree with you, but if i see a kid screwing up,same age or younger, im gonna tell him, but i dont think thats what you mean  |
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Date: 8/2/2003 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
fb, how often do you think before you post prayers and such one here? my point exactly, most people dont really think about it |
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Date: 8/2/2003 11:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
Oh definitely jestr..In a case like that where a child is doing something wrong then yeah, stop them or make their parents aware..but like you said I'm talking about preaching religous views to young children..they are not even old enough to fully comprehend yet, and have only a limited understanding at say 12..let them just be kids and make up their minds when they hit adulthood. |
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Date: 8/2/2003 11:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
It's just like a friend of mine's situation..her sister is a born again Christian and she doesn't celebrate Halloween because she thinks it's "pagan" and told her children that Aunt Sue was a devil worshiper because she decorates for Halloween..how absurd!! It's a fun holiday where they get to dress up and act like candy..just because some of us may enjoy decorating our homes for it doesn't make us evil. Then you have the ones who tell small children that there is no Santa Claus because of their religous views and how it's a holy day and not about the presents..while it IS a holy day and I respect the right for it to be viewed as such..to small children it IS about Santa and getting presents!! Why crush their little worlds and break their hearts by telling them such a thing until they are old enough to grasp the idea??? To me that is just plain cruel.. |
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Date: 8/2/2003 11:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
oops my bad..ask for candy..typos!! |
Date: 8/2/2003 11:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
What about all those of us who are over 18 who wanted to learn what LSG had to say? There is a great diversity of age on USM, even if LSG was only trying to show those of us over that age these things, there is no limit with regards to the age of members in viewing posts once they are a member. LSG is not targeting children with regards to teaching them, the children are looking into it themselves, that is the difference. If she were sending links to her posts into the children's profiles, then that would be doing what she is saying we shouldn't.  |
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Date: 8/3/2003 1:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
Tandris, that's excactly my point. LSG should be free to "share" her beliefs, as so should I. We cannot supress, with respect to religion and beliefs, one particular sect or following without denying all. We're talking serious freedom here people. You might want to reconsider your positions...if children ask, one should be free to answer... |
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Date: 8/3/2003 1:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
I mean holy crap!!! where does this end??? From my view, I see prayer being taken from our schools. I see "under God" trying to be taken from our pledge. I see the 10 commandments (part of history) being removed from court houses. Now, it appears many don't even want us to talk to their children...talk about "tolerance" and "intolerance". Yes, another poster was correct, there will be "one last crusade" and that will be for the complete supression of the christian faith by people claiming it "violates" their rights...Maybe we're closer to the end than any of us thought.... |
Date: 8/3/2003 7:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 54111
My thoughts exactly KC. Everybody is sharing beliefs on USM. The site teaches all relgions but what people got realize is that we Christians are going to share our opinion too.  |
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Date: 8/3/2003 9:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Jestr that is my point. Yes I share prayers and I never said that I didn't share prayers. BUT lsg said, :::"I will not teach magic to anyone under 18 years of age." Then going on to say, I feel the PARENTS are responsible for the child's religious education. AND then she went on to say, DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TARGET YOUNG PEOPLE FOR YOUR PARTICULAR MESSAGE OF THE TRUTH, IN ORDER TO SAVE THEM? DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, TO OVER-RULE THE PARENTS WISHES, IN ORDER TO "SAVE" A CHILD'S SOUL? ***Note the key words in there, *save*, now that is something the christians do is try to *save souls* so actually this post is basically a post trying to tell us that we are wrong if we try to tell a child under the age of 18 about the Lord Jesus. Rather it be in real life or on usm. Then on another post she talks about having a group of girls, ages 12,14 and she decided to show them a few tricks, reading psychic impressions from the rings and necklaces and having the girls hold their necklaces and she would make them move in circles with her mind. NOW if that isn't showing off her craft and involving children in her beliefs, then I don't know what else you would call it. I just can't understand why she would make a post condemning basically , people to talk, teach or impose something on children under the age of 18 when the facts are clear for themselves that she has been doing this. Yet she says she doesnt? Sorry her words on one post to the next just dont add up. |
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Date: 8/3/2003 11:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
If a parent doesn't want their kids to be exposed to anything other than what they (the parents) believe in, I say you'd better hole them up in a cave. Speaking of holing up . . . LSG, where are you? God Bless. |
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Date: 8/3/2003 12:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
LOL. Maybe its just me, but I hate to watch sports, I've never been interested in them. ESPECIALLY ones that last almost twenty four hours. LOL |
Date: 8/4/2003 7:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 60052
I think it seriously depends on the subject that you are wishing to impart to a child. I believe that it is a parent's responsibility to educate their children to as many real-life situations as possible and then guide them as to how they want them to react to each situation. In the case of religion, I feel it should be okay to share your religion with a child, but only under the supervision of their parents, that way the parent can say, "Well, so and so believes this way, but we believe this other way because..." Parents have a lot harder job now days to keep their children on the right path, they hear things from other kids at school, see things on TV, hear it on the radio, read it in magazines and books, and the parents, I feel should be mindful of all of this and make sure that they instill a moral system on their children to help them make the right decisions no matter what someone else may tell them. That being said, if a parent does a good job making it clear to their children what they feel is and is not acceptable, if I walked up to a 15 year old (for example and assuming their parents had already instilled their morals upon their child) I could tell them that I thought that God was an alien from another planet, and it would not change the way that child would feel about that situation. If his/her parents had raised them as a Christian, they would adamately defy me with rebuttal. So, yes, I think I should be able to share my thoughts and beliefs with someone else's child, but at the same time, it is my responsibility as an adult to make sure the parent is there to hear it, and it is the parent's responsibility to make sure their child understands the whole picture, and reinforce their beliefs after the conversation has taken place. I don't feel that anyone should step in and try to "save" a child unless their physical well-being is in jeopardy (as in abuse). There are many religions and many different beliefs, and I don't believe in anyone PUSHING their beliefs on someone else. I'll give you a key example of what I believe. My nephew Michael, is 15 and lives with his father, who is a Jehova's Witness. He gets to visit with his mother every other weekend. Once weekend when I was at my brother's house, Michael asked me about Jesus because JW's don't believe in Jesus and he had many questions. At that point, I told him that I would be more than happy to tell him about it, but I wanted his mother to come sit with us while I told him. Michael, his mother and I all sat down with my Bible and went went over some of the stories and discussed the differences in the religions together. When we were through Michael felt he was well-informed and felt he was better able to now make a decision regarding the religion that he wanted to choose for himself. So to me the issue isn't whether or not someone should be able to share their beliefs with a child, the issue is whether people are being responsible with their actions when they do it.  |
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Date: 8/4/2003 10:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 58030
and plus if i say that stuff, to a child, i don't know how his parents view things, and how they handle things, so i don't want him to go home and say something, and then have to deal with his parents getting freaked out and sending him to church camp or whatever |
Date: 8/4/2003 10:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
Very young children, I would say no, even if they asked someone a question, I think the responsible thing to do would be to ask the parents if it is ok that they explain it to the child. Teenagers, if a teenager asks someone a question I don't see a problem with the person answering them whether it's a question about Wicca, Christianity, Islam etc. I ask questions of Christians all the time, I'm no longer a teen but I was when I came to this site. Answering my questions is not imposing their beliefs on me. Making a post in a religious category is not imposing beliefs onto someone. If people don't want their children exposed to other religions then it's up to them to make sure their child is not exposed. There's a difference between people discussing their religion among themselves and someone overhearing it in real life or reading about it on a discussion board and people imposing their beliefs on others.  |
Date: 8/4/2003 4:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
And everyone flocks to their same sides yet again...  |
Date: 8/4/2003 8:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
now- I am replying before I read all the comments, as my thought are my own. I will address individual remarks later. I saw some of the deleted comments. FB-you remind me of Richard Nixon with his "enemy files"...LOL, I am amazed that you have cut-and-pasted my stories & comments going back to...what? 1999 ?I must have left a deep impression for you to have commited so much computer memory to my thoughts & stories... I will be sure to put you on my "mailing list" when my books are released .Also, I do not need to gather my friends around me, to help me "fight-the-good-fight". LOL. Now-ket's talk-I believe to deliberately target young people, to imply you have all the answers. is wrong. I also believe it is wrong, to imply, or even say outright that PPL are being targeted because of their religion. There are a LOT of people of different faiths that I love & respect. |
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Date: 8/4/2003 8:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
the key word-is respect. Now, when a person of color, is caught doing something wrong & they bring up the "race card", that is offensive. And, frankly, offense to the race they are trying to represent. The same with "religion". To pull the "religion card" shows a person cannot stand on their own merit, and must become one of a group to validate their beliefs. |
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Date: 8/4/2003 8:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I have never pretended to represent all Witches, Pagans, or whomeber, I represent me. And, this is how I feel: baiting post? No..thought-provoking? I hope so. Unlike a select few, my posts do NOT target individuals. And, it is very narcassistic to think everything is about an individual. Or, paranoid. |
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Date: 8/4/2003 8:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I think the "religion-card" has been overplayed, I think that parents should be the ones responsible for a childs belief system, be it religion, politics, or sexual tolerance |
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Date: 8/4/2003 8:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I do not hate Christianity, or any other group. Wait, I take that back, I dislike hypocrites. Excuses? nope, don't need them. Beacuse I don't have to explain myself to anyone , except my Family & friends. |
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Date: 8/4/2003 8:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
now-nefore MY comments are cut to heck, let me finish by saying this....I am not a danger to children. I am not fighting for their minds & souls. However, the people who are, in the name of salvation, they are a danger, IMO. Peace & Love....Cathy |
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Date: 8/4/2003 9:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Be back-have more work to do.....Let's see if the Flying Monky's can grab a broom & help me prepare for the Workers who will be here before 8:00am EST |
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Date: 8/4/2003 9:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Pardon the typos-dang "typo"-demon, he must not want me to spread my message of tolerance.... |
Date: 8/5/2003 12:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 17204
I totally agree with you. Leave parenting up to the parents. My best friends little brother, we'll call him bob, used to spend a lot of time at our neighbors and they started teaching him about their religion, infact they actually made him do reports and homework and pray like they did, a bunch of stuff like that. Well, bobs parents got VERY upset when they found him doing this homework. They were furious with the neighbor boys parents and banned bob from seeing him. VERY UNDERSTANDABLE.  |
| Date: 8/5/2003 7:18:00 AM From Authorid: 62299 No, it is not ok to over rule a parents authority in teaching. I tell my children that everyone is different, we all have different beliefs, and that there isn't just one "right way". All our beliefs are based on different teachings and understandings and we believe these things for our own reasons. If my kids friends are in our home and ask - I explain that this is what we believe and do, but their parents might have other beliefs and do things differently and that is ok. I was raised catholic but removed my children from the church at an early age (whole different debate). I still teach them about God as well as the Wicca, scientology, and other ways. They will have a diverse understanding of many things and will make the choice that is right for them when they are ready. Bottom line - if we were all the same what a boring world it would be, we need diversity to evolve and grow. You can explain how you do things in your home but that it isn't the only way and their parents may be different and that is what they must follow at this time. If my children want to cross themselves in prayer for dinner at a friends home that is fine if they are comfortable with that. They will find their own way if you are open and willing to let them make that decision. If we said a prayer at the dinner table, I would let the guest know what we are doing and they may just sit for a moment they should not be made to join in. |
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Date: 8/5/2003 8:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
LSG you said, "Wait, I take that back, I dislike hypocrites. Excuses? nope, don't need them. Beacuse I don't have to explain myself to anyone , except my Family & friends" I agree with that and find it as my own views as well. No one said you were a danger to children, but this post implies that we are a danger to children. I dont think that when they ask questions that we are fighting for their soul and minds. Besides the topic of this post is Do you have the right to impose your thoughts on other peoples children. Under 18 of course. And I merely pointed out that you do it, hence the url's that were copy and pasted on here. No hon dont flatter yourself, I had to look them up. No one, no christian has implied that they have all the answers as no one has all the answers and once again that is not the topic of the post. You said you did not share majic with children under the age of 18 and its clear that you do, while on the other hand berating the christian if they happen to mention or answer a question when asked. Does this mean that when a child comes to church as many do without their parents, that this childs questions should not be answered? And you said that talk of hell shouldnt be used to scare the children. So is it alright to scare them with your ghost hunting stories? |
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Date: 8/5/2003 8:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Hey, LSG, glad to see you're back to address some of the issues raised. We all figured (and said as much here) that you were busy, but those comments got deleted. So did a comment in which I got on my high horse and stated that people should acknowledge the truth. So, from what I can see you saying here is that the truth about these events which you have written about which FB has brought to light is that they are from 1999, FB is acting like Richard Nixon, and you don't have to answer to anyone? Is this a thought-provoking post? Well, anyone who answers a post, ANY post, has had their thoughts provoked or else they wouldn't have anything to say. My thoughts were provoked to the extent that I see such a loaded question and wonder why in the heck this is an issue. I read your comments to Dark Poets, and I see your explanation above, and the explanation in your first paragraph and on the other post didn't take on the tone of an IMPOSITION. To say you will not "teach" magic to anyone under 18: Does that mean you won't "do" any magic that affects anyone under 18? Does that mean you do not get around those under 18 at all? Does that mean most under-18 year olds don't have the financial wherewithall to pay you for such a service? YOUR personal situation which supposedly led to this post states that you will not TEACH. To teach is to "impart knowledge to". This is not an adult only site. What I am asking here is do you want to rephrase any part of this post, or perhaps even revise, or maybe issue some regrets? God Bless. |
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Date: 8/5/2003 9:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Deb, I think lsg is done with this post as well as others as she has a new post out saying she is going to be busy and wont be able to come to usm much in the next few days. So dont know what to tell ya, well got to go to work. Later. |
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Date: 8/6/2003 11:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 62100
The only reason that I feel so strongly that religion shouldn't be pushed on children is that when I was younger my parents did not take us to church or talk alot about religion, although my mom was raised a baptist and went to church regularly in her childhood. I did go to vacation Bible school with friends and was pretty good at memorizing verses and such (although don't ask me to quote them now as I honestly couldn't). Basically, I grew up with the idea that there is a God but it wasn't any big deal to go to church, that you could believe in God without having to conform to any ideals. I felt that he knows and sees all, and I could pray when I wanted to and that was enough. Just try to be the best person that I could and all that. However, whenever I went to my grandparents it was required that we dress in our best (and I was a tomboy..hated dresses..loathed them..) and had to be very quiet and well behaved in church. No running, no playing, no laughing..I came to hate the idea because of my already stated ideas about religion. I felt like "why should I have to dress up and be so quiet and be bored out of my mind?? If being a good Christian meant not being able to be myself then why bother??" I mean, I was taught that God loves us all and knows all..so aren't I being a hypocrite by acting like a totally different person every Sunday?? So, because my grandparents kept making me go, I stopped my weekend visits to their house and preferred to stick to my own beliefs. So, that in nutshell is why I think that children should be taught the basics and allowed to make their own choices as they get older..forcing someone to do something cause rebellion. |
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Date: 8/9/2003 2:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 62146
Well just tell the child your befifes but in the way that you are sharing your belifes not imposeing your thoughs on them. *Cosmic Freak*  |
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