Date: 7/20/2003 11:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 56864
Well, it's simply what the majority thinks. Once new major religions sprout up, I'm sure Christianity, Hinduism, Wicca, and all that stuff'll be considered Mythology too. In a word, religion is what's "in". Mythology is what's "out".  |
Date: 7/20/2003 11:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
yeah still kinda weird though, you gotta wonder who made that descision
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Date: 7/20/2003 11:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 15675
technically wicca mythology is that old mythology. I call all of it mythology (christian mythology, hindu mythology, etc...) It all technically is mythology because you cant prove half the stuff in those stories no matter what religion   |
Date: 7/21/2003 12:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 13897
Basically, "myth" suggests that it isn't real. Wiccans, xtians, hindus, etc. don't want to think that their beliefs are false. So they take them as truth rather than myth or legend.  |
Date: 7/21/2003 12:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
what is the difference between a "religion", and a "cult"?  |
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Date: 7/21/2003 12:40:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
uhhh *tries in vain to figure out why cult just got used in this debate *shrugs then answers question* lol uhhh really there is not difference between a cult and a religion, cult is just under religion, to put it in the words of velma on the scooby doo movie, (the one with the real people) "the pappa smurf figure" the smurfs are a major example of a cult, they're all blue, they all follow one male figure the pappa smurf.... we all associate cults with brainwashing, but really religions use brain washing to keep followers (i.e. if you do this you will go to hell, if you eat the forbiddin fruit you will sin and die) |
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Date: 7/21/2003 12:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
can't really think of a wiccan brainwashing... real wicca anyway.... *shrugs* it's probably because wicca doesn't really have a whole written history that is the word of the goddess and god or anything, |
Date: 7/21/2003 7:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
History and custom are dictated by the winners, or the survivors as it were. Maybe someday if the wiccans delete enough opposition comments they will take over and everything else will be "Mythology".  |
Date: 7/21/2003 8:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
Well I think most, if not all, religions are based to an extent on mythology - especially pagan religions. Christianity I believe was largely a work of fiction based on previous events, but it also has a bit of mythology... like the virgin birth. It stems from people having to have a supernatural reason for natural events.  |
Date: 7/21/2003 8:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
I think that it would be considered mythology because it is old and no longer practiced. If the religon is currently practiced I don't think that it would be considered mythology. Just my opinion  |
Date: 7/21/2003 9:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
It all has to do with current practices. If nobody practices it anymore, it is mythology, if they do, it is a religion. People don't like it when you call their religion mythology, even if that is what it boils down to. As long as somone believes it, it isn't a myth. It's followers keep it's gods alive, when the followers are gone, so are their Gods, and it is no longer truth, it is myth. It need's followers to be truth.  |
Date: 7/21/2003 10:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 16849
When's the last time you saw a bunch of golden sheep kill men for food? That's a reason why Greak Mythology is mythology.  |
Date: 7/21/2003 10:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 62222
In general, I think it is the the fact that once a religion loses it's practicioners into history, their religion becomes a mythology. There are thousands of gods that have been lost from the world. We are ruthless in our worship, I think.I wonder just how many gods and religions have been ground up in time by human beings.<regretfulhalo>  |
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Date: 7/21/2003 12:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
yeah pyro when was the last time you saw a dude declare that he was the son of god born from a virgin in a barn, and then walk on water? or turn water into wine? ooo how about live 300 years? or fit 2 of every animals into a single boat? |
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Date: 7/21/2003 12:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
BCAR you know i've had a few religious debates, i consider myself wiccan, and i've NEVER deleted a comment i don't think! so i don't know if that was a joke or what but... |
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Date: 7/21/2003 12:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
That wasn't directed at you personally. It was a shot at those who talk a good game about tolerance but will not tolerate a less than agreeable response. |
Date: 7/21/2003 2:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 40979
I am not sure why they arn't..In my opinion..Christianity is real. So I have like no good answer for you. Maybe they were not myths because peole still practice them.  |
Date: 7/21/2003 2:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 62060
So if I suddenly decide to start worshipping Hera and Zeus I've started a religion? *sniggers* Or did you mean on a global scale?  |
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Date: 7/21/2003 3:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
you said "the wiccans" that includes me... that is sounded more than slightly predjudiced |
Date: 7/21/2003 7:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
um...where im from they teach every religon but islam,judaism and christianity as mythology...  |
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Date: 7/21/2003 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
We are all predjudiced against one thing or another. To think otherwise is denial. I often take issue with those who like to wear their religion (or lack of) on their sleeve like some misdirected badge of nobility. After all it's all going to be another myth someday. |
Date: 7/21/2003 7:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
well bcar, i figure you gotta have something to believe in wether it's aphrodite cheating on aries with uhh hephestes was it? (it's been 2 years since i studied it) or the magic purple unicorn  , but when i believe in something i have to take it to heart, so if your saying i wear my religion as a badge (i doubt you are reffering to me though... hope anyway) well you in my opinion are wrong... but that's a very biased opinion, now on to the debate, i realize that we're all predjudiced with each other, your right it would be dumb to not realize that, but, it's something that needs to be less of an issue, i don't see it happening in my lifetime but.... that's too bad, lol i have to laugh at the irony in the truth at your statement, it will probably all be mythology, lol |
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Date: 7/21/2003 7:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
uhh jestr, we kinda established that that's the common take on mythology, everything except, judaism, christianity, islam.. and a few others i think.... |
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Date: 7/21/2003 9:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
I don't believe any of that as truth. |
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Date: 7/21/2003 9:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
i didn't say you did... what i did say was that it still doesn't make any sense that it's any more illogical that golden sheep attack men for food, than jesus supposedly did all that other stuff.. |
Date: 7/21/2003 10:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
You said, ,"" yeah pyro when was the last time you saw a dude declare that he was the son of god born from a virgin in a barn, and then walk on water? or turn water into wine? ooo how about live 300 years? or fit 2 of every animals into a single boat? "" so let me ask you, when is the last time you saw your god/goddess do anything? Have any pictures of this so called summerland? Isnt is true that you use pentagrams just like the satanist do? I"m not trying to be rude, but your remarks are rude toward my beliefs, so OH what ever happened to " do what you will and harm none? "" Your cruel words towards our beliefs are hurtfull."All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold."
Apparently your one of the wanna bee wiccans that go in it for the majic and not the rules? I mean when is the last time you talked to someone that was reincarnated and how can you or they prove that they were? I'm not trying to be hatefull here, but your being hatefull and I just wanted you to see how it feels.  |
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Date: 7/21/2003 10:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I just looked at your age, sorry I came unglued. I dont like to argue with kids. |
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Date: 7/21/2003 10:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
FB you would not believe how much i would like to say some stuff to you right now, but i am BARELY restricting myself i used that as an example, you have seen me in enough debates that you know that i try my darndest to not offend someone, you know that i would not say that my religion is better than anothers, AND also you should know by now after debating with wiccans so long, that wiccans DO use the pentagram, but you should also know that it has been a symbol of the goddess much longer than a symbol of satanism, i don't even know what the SUMMERLAND IS for crying out loud! i'm still in disbelief that you said some of that i though you were above that, i've seen some of this junk you and lsg have and i'm still not quite sure what started it, but..... ooo headache, neck strain lack of sleep not good combination, i'm going to quit before i start cussing or something |
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Date: 7/21/2003 10:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
on a side note the nazi swastika, was also a symbol of peace and equalness (i believe.... i dunno can't find my book.....) before it was used as a symbol of hate... |
Date: 7/21/2003 10:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
^ restrain is a better word, i was still sort of shocked at that
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Date: 7/21/2003 11:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
I've always heard that the Nazi Swastika was the symbol of death, while the same symbol backwards meant life. I have nothing to back that on though. |
Date: 7/21/2003 11:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
YOU said, :": e all associate cults with brainwashing, but really religions use brain washing to keep followers (i.e. if you do this you will go to hell, if you eat the forbiddin fruit you will sin and die) and THAT isnt offending? You making fun of our faith? Ya right, I can see how much restraint your using. If you cant take it dont dish it out. I've said my piece and I'm going to bed. I just find it ironic that you and others can say what you like and make fun of anothers religion and faith, yet when questioned on your own, or something said about your own, you come unglued. YET were not suppose to? We are suppose to take all that you dish out? I think not |
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Date: 7/22/2003 8:58:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
first born, yet again using an example the christian religion is one i can use as an example because a lot of people know what i'm talking about, and yes i WAS using restraint, because any less and and i would be deleting stuff but i'm above that, any less restraint and i'd be cussing, yes that is restraint, i could have said a lot worse i could have stooped to insults but i didn't, i used christianity as an example because along with wicca it's one that i have actually studied! I was a good little christian for 12 or so years of my life, and it isn't making fun at anything, It's trying to answers someones question, and i'm sorry firstborn but that is considered brainwashing, it puts people under fear that if they don't obey someone/certain god, they will be struck down, smited, or yet again go to hell, I'M NOT SAYING THAT OTHER RELIGIONS DON'T DO THE SAME THING, it's just i can't think of a good example of them, and that christianity is very widespread, so i'm sorry if i offended you or anything but a lot of other people have said far worse than what i did and you did not get this offended or anything so i gotta wonder what's up with today.... |
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Date: 7/22/2003 9:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
*correction on the first sentance of the last post, *yet again i was using an example& |
Date: 7/22/2003 9:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
they are considered legend...the difference is education can't state them as past tense 'legends'..when there are still groups that follow them in the present - else it would be offensive...so if buddhism ever goes 'out of style'..and people no longer really follow it, it too - will be taught as legend..make sense to you?  |
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Date: 7/22/2003 10:00:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58030
yeah THAT makes perfect sense, it's just you gotta wonder, at what stage is it considered totally unpopular.... |
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Date: 7/22/2003 10:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
That is just it, you say you were christian for x amount of years, and as young as you are, it probably WAS brainwashing, it was something you had to do, something your parents made you do, but you have to look at the other side of the coin also, some of us were NOT raised in christianity, lots of us were not. It was through our own study of the word of God, that led us to believe, I'm sorry to tell you but FEAR has nothing to do with it. We wont be smited down, we can choose NOT to obey God , even when we are christian, your missing the big picture of being a christian and what its all about, I would have thought that if your were christian for all those years you would have a better concept of salvation and the spiritual realm. Good day. |
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Date: 7/22/2003 10:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
which is why it should be broken down into smaller categories - not wicca, druidism, shamanism..etc ...just 'pagan'...not christian, morman, or the others - just belief in god of the bible....not buddhist, or taoism..or any of those..just 'western'.......it's a personal path, one shouldn't care what another labels it. |
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Date: 7/22/2003 12:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
Firstborn.. I have a question. You said that christianity has nothing to do with fear, but then why would Hell be emphasized so much? That if you do something wrong, you'll be condemned for all eternity? Hell and Satan seem to me to be a way of keeping people in line using fear. What do you think? |
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Date: 7/22/2003 8:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Ok MagentaBlue,I've answered this so many times but I will do it again just for you. In the beginning were adam and eve, God wanted things perfect for them, YET he did place things such as the tree that they were not to eat from, with them also. God believes in free will, so even tho he did not want them to eat of it, they still had free will to eat of it. When they did, and they knew evil and good, this is when spiritually they were seperated from God. By doing this, they turned this world over to another enity, one called the serpent, which goes by many names, one of which is satan. God tells us that satan is now the god of this world. If God would have not have sent Jesus and had Jesus not agreed to use His pure blood to make the sacrafice for the sin nature in man, *as partaking of the tree opened up this sin nature* SO if God would not and Jesus would not have taken back the spiritual aspect of this realm, back from the legal owner which is satan or the serpent, then when we die our souls will go with satan, the god or father of this world. The reason why our spirits would go with satan, no MATTER how good we are, is that he owns us, because he owns the earth and the people in it. God has made it where satan can NO LONGER own our spirits, but because we have free will, we still can make the choice. satans realm or Gods realm. Adam and eve were the ones that gave satan legal authority over this world and our spirits. And God said in the beginning that satan at the end of days because he rebelled against God, would go to the firey pit of hell to burn for eternity. So satan has us, satan has control, when we die, we legally HAVE to go with him, or we did UNTIL Jesus, through HIS blood took BACK the right to keep our spirits when we die. So its not God that sends us to hell, its ourself if we dont believe that Jesus was able to make it so that God could keep our spirits. So it should not be because of some fear that some people think that God has placed on us about hell, but we should believe what He told us and be thankfull that we can MAKE the choice to go to heaven instead of having NO choice and going where satan or the serpent goes when the end for him comes. And because the serpent is spirit also, his end won't come until the end of this earth, but we are mere humans and our end will come sooner. |
