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Kazaa Users Beware!!! ~Tyr

  Author: 57871  Category:(News) Created:(6/28/2003 11:04:00 PM)
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Kazaa Users Beware because "RIAA" are gonna file a lawsuit on all kazaa users so DELETE KAZAA AS SOON AS POSSIBE

Music group to sue file sharers Recording industry organization targets hundreds of Net pirates BY TED BRIDIS THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — The embattled music industry disclosed plans Wednesday for an unprecedented escalation in its fight against Internet piracy, threatening to sue hundreds of individual computer users who illegally share music files online. The Recording Industry Association of America, citing significant sales declines, said it will begin today to search Internet file-sharing networks to identify music fans who offer "substantial" collections of MP3 song files for downloading. It expects to file at least several hundred lawsuits seeking financial damages within eight to 10 weeks. Executives for the RIAA, the Washington-based lobbying group that represents major labels, would not say how many songs on a user’s computer might qualify for a lawsuit. The new campaign comes just weeks after U.S. appeals court rulings requiring Internet providers to identify subscribers suspected of illegally sharing music and movie files. The RIAA’s president, Cary Sherman, said tens of millions of Internet users of popular filesharing software after today will expose themselves to "the real risk of having to face the music." He said the RIAA plans only to file lawsuits against Internet users in the United States. "It’s stealing. It’s both wrong and illegal," Sherman said. Alluding to the court decisions, Sherman said Internet users who believe they can hide behind an alias online are mistaken. "You are not anonymous," Sherman said. "We’re going to begin taking names." Shopping at a Virgin Megastore in San Francisco, Jason Yoder was planning to delete filesharing software he uses from his home computer because of the new lawsuit threat. He acknowledged using the Internet recently to find a copy of a rare 1970s soul recording, but he agreed that illegal downloads should be curtailed. "It’s sort of like a serial drunk driver has to have their license taken away at some point," said Yoder, 30. Sharman Networks Ltd., which makes the popular Kazaa software and operates one of the world’s largest file-sharing networks, said in a statement, "It is unfortunate that the RIAA has chosen to declare war on its customers by engaging in protracted and expensive litigation." Sharman said it was interested in a business relationship with music labels and could protect their songs from illegal downloads using technology. Country songwriter Hugh Prestwood, who has worked with Randy Travis, Trisha Yearwood and Jimmy Buffett, likened the effort to a roadside police officer on a busy highway. "It doesn’t take too many tickets to get everybody to obey the speed limit," Prestwood said. Critics accused the RIAA of resorting to heavy-handed tactics likely to alienate millions of Internet file-sharers. "This latest effort really indicates the recording industry has lost touch with reality completely," said Fred von Lohmann, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "Does anyone think more lawsuits are going to be the answer? Today they have declared war on the American consumer." Sherman disputed that consumers, who are gradually turning to legitimate Web sites to buy music legally, will object to the industry’s latest efforts against pirates. "You have to look at exactly who are your customers," he said. "You could say the same thing about shoplifters — are you worried about alienating them?." Mike Godwin of Public Knowledge, a consumer group that has challenged broad crackdowns on file-sharing networks, said Wednesday’s announcement was appropriate because it targeted users illegally sharing copyrighted files. "I’m sure it’s going to freak them out," Godwin said. "The free ride is over." He added, "I wouldn’t be surprised if at least some people engaged in file-trading decide to resist and try to find ways to thwart the litigation strategy." Motion Picture Association of America Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jack Valenti said in a statement that it was "our most sincere desire" to find technology solutions to protect digital copies of movies. Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., who has proposed giving the entertainment industry new powers to disrupt downloads of pirated music and movies, said the RIAA’s actions were overdue. "It’s about time," Berman said in a statement. "For too long... file-traffickers have robbed copyright creators with impunity."

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Date: 6/28/2003 11:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    It's just a scare tactic. The RIAA can't do squat about file sharing. It's never gonna stop, nor ever will.
  
Date: 6/28/2003 11:08:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57871    are you sure about it caused im scared I use kazaa I had to delete it yesterday cause of how scared I was and then I saw this article.
Date: 6/28/2003 11:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 13886    Nope, they sure can't. I'll bet you there are 12 million Kazaa Users in this country right now. I don't know for sure but it sounds like a good number, so lets say there are. Do you know how impossible it would be to go around and get every single one of them? IMPOSSIBLE. It would be too time consuming, and too expensive. They aren't going to do it. I'm more likely to grow a second head right now than for that to happen. I was worried when I first heard it but I took some time to think about it and realized there was really nothing they could do.  
Date: 6/28/2003 11:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    Thing is with all these 1000's of lawsuits they threaten to bust out on filesharers, you can bet that almost all the cases will be tossed out, or they'll be counter sued in some shape or form. The media will be on every case, and the bad guy will obviously be played by the music industry. Their sales will continue to drop due to people Boycotting the industry, and turning to file sharing even more in an act or defiance and protest.

  
Date: 6/28/2003 11:16:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57871    Yes you have a point there but do you all know of any other filesharing program out there.
Date: 6/28/2003 11:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 10722    http://www.slyck.com  
Date: 6/28/2003 11:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 13886    There's bearshare, limewire, and morpheus to name a few. Go to http://www.download.com/. Great site for downloads.  
Date: 6/28/2003 11:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 39107    Just delete songs you dont like,if you have over 100 they will bust you however lesser files means you wont get in trouble , people like me with 2,000 songs and such will get in trouble since people d/l off of us.  
Date: 6/28/2003 11:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 15675    how can they know who is from the US?  
Date: 6/29/2003 12:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 38849    Every computer connected to the internet has an IP address. That IP address belongs to your internet service provider(say AOL, or MSN, or whomever you use). They can identify who owns the IP address, the times it was logged on, and ask that ISP who was connected at this time, on this date. And the ISP will look at the logs and say, so and so was. Simplied, but accurate enough. --  
Date: 6/29/2003 12:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 15675    ah k  
Date: 6/29/2003 2:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 57653    I think this is just ridiculous. I mean I understand the WHY of it but I don't see how it's that big of a deal. Maybe it's because I don't download much. When I DO download it's because I'm doing a mix CD....Like for Christmas I made a CD of the songs I wanted to have...instead of buying one I really didn't like. Quite frankly I will download one song I like by a group or artist because I know I don't like their other songs and don't want to buy the entire CD. As for the bands I AM into...I still buy their cd's. Even if they DID put a stop to this...I'll just go back to recording songs of the radio lol...catch me now! :P  
Date: 6/29/2003 3:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 42792    I think they are targeting users like the KaZaAelite user...everyone has seen that mystery user. It's not really a user at all.  
Date: 6/29/2003 4:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 37471    not a user??? then who is it? or what?  
Date: 6/29/2003 5:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 38095    Kazaaliteuser is a generic name, issued to users of Kazaalite. Just to clear up some smoke. And, if you really want the truth, since Kazaa is FREE, they really can't touch you for using it for MP3's. It's in the laws somewhere.  
Date: 6/29/2003 5:40:00 AM  From Authorid: 62196    1. If your ISP has a DHTP Pool (think that's what it's called), your IP changes everytime you log on. 2. If you setup a static IP they're gonna have a hard time finding you. 3. If you have a firewall they're gonna have a hard time tracing your IP. 4. They'll find you if you have Kazaa cuz it's loaded with spyware. 5. All of that is pure-bullcrap, the only methods of finding the users are WAY MORE illegal than downloading MP3s off the web. -ShadowShade
Date: 6/29/2003 5:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 62196    "Kazaa Users Beware because "RIAA" are gonna file a lawsuit on all kazaa", each day, there are more and more users for every 50 they could stop double, maybe even triple that would take their place. And, no court is gonna take a lawsuit for a group of anonyomous people. Plus how can record companies sue you if the artists you listen to support free Mp3 downloading?
Date: 6/29/2003 6:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 19682    This is no different than trading old style 45 records with your friends.

They should never have offered this service if this was to trap people to get more money for the music companies.
  
Date: 6/29/2003 7:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 22992    They are just tryign to scare us, even if they do "catch us", we shouldnt delete it. They arent goign to come in our house and take us out, just if someone does send something to you about it, just deleteit then, and get a different one then  
Date: 6/29/2003 7:34:00 AM  From Authorid: 61901    All Talk! and Its working... I checked Kazaa out last night and ONLY 5 Users were online. Our MP3 file sharing days are almost over.  
Date: 6/29/2003 8:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 58334    I use Kazaa and I'm not worried. They knew about it from the start. So are you saying they are goign to sue a 14 year old girl who innocently downlaods music? It's crazy. I'm keeping it and continuing with my music ~Nimiwae~  
Date: 6/29/2003 8:53:00 AM  From Authorid: 45906    scare tactic yes...... new news nooooo, lol i know better ways the kazaa  
Date: 6/29/2003 9:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 10722    LOL.. 5 users? No, at least a couple million are signed on to Kazaa 24/7.  
Date: 6/29/2003 9:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 51463    couldn't you just take the files out of kazaa, put them in a different folder and delete them off of kazaa to hide them? I think it's stupid though - there are so many people who use Kazaa there's no way they'll sue them all and the lawsuits will probably fall through anyway =-bootz-=  
Date: 6/29/2003 9:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 57028    lol.... even if kazaa is taken out (like nappster).... you already know something else will come along to take its place (currently, there are plenty of other file sharing programs)  
Date: 6/29/2003 10:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 36757    i agree with everyone else. they can't do too much about it except shut the service down like napster. anomaly is right - it won't be going away. i use kazaa for music videos. first, i don't like watching them on mtv like trl becuase they cut it off so i can't see the whole thing. on ichannel, i usually don't see the ones i want. so i hop on the computer and get some that i actually want...some are even from 92! then for mp3's, they're usually songs from korea. i looked on amazon, and an imported cd (with about 12 songs) is $40.00!!! i am SO not going to pay THAT MUCH for a cd!  
Date: 6/29/2003 10:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 57105    I use Morpheus...they'll never catch me! Mwahaha! -fantasy/reality  
Date: 6/29/2003 10:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 62095    we have kazaa too, we have burned so many cds, i will not spend so much on a cd that I might not even like, the stars make so much money anyways. Even if people dont buy there cds they still make more than we could even imagine having. They try to rob us with there high prices for a couple of songs. *Cass*  
Date: 6/29/2003 11:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 15675    whelp to add to my comments I've registered on kazaa as non american, I have a stealther isp blocking thingy, and ya know I download music I cant buy. I cant buy JPop and heck that dont effect the american RIAA, download spice girls, again no effect to them....come to think of it I probably got 12 american musician files on there....and yet they could sue a 16 year old for that *spissh* I'll be a brave girl, my account stays and I'd literally fight it to court because I dont have the law with me right now but I do know from what I've heard unless I'm distrubiting it (and I dont share my files) then they got notin....  
Date: 6/29/2003 11:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 13969    I think its stupid. If you read the laws on it, they clearly state that downloading music is illegal if you keep it for MORE THAN 24 HOURS, and you do not OWN THE ORIGINAL CD. If you go out and buy the CD, it isn't illegal if you have the MP3...So would they care? And if they did try to sue you, wouldn't it be a frivilous lawsuit if you already own the CD?!  
Date: 6/29/2003 12:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 4255    How can they tell who is using it? They don't even know anyones real name.  
Date: 6/29/2003 12:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 62196    LOL, they can't the only way would be to hack your PC, which is WAY more illegal than downloading free music.
Date: 6/29/2003 2:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 53052    what they are doing is randomly sueing people who have a set amount or more files up and people who are only from the US they said they started this on thursday(the one that just past) but i have yet to hear of anyone who they have sued and this goes not just for kazaa this is ALLL file share programs(this includes things like morpheus and all the others) but if an artist chooses to allow thier stuff up online free for users and that is all a person has they cannot sue you... all you really have to do is sort through your share folder and take away the ones that could cause an issue and only share a few(less then 100) and you should be fine  
Date: 6/29/2003 3:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 62196    Lemme say this again, think about it logically, there is NO LEGAL way for them to see how many files you have, or even if you have Kazaa installed, that would mean either A. They hacked your PC which is illegal, or B. They're using Kazaa to track you which is illegal.
Date: 6/29/2003 5:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 1799    ah, a bunch of crap.... its just a scare tactic like the rest said... if they're going to sue me for sharing files, then they have a very long fight ahead of them... they spend so much time suing file sharers when they could be getting rapists and murderers off the streets....*rolls eyes*... and i agree with 62196. what they r doing by tracking us is illegal anyway.  
Date: 6/30/2003 1:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 38849    Alright, I will say while there are ways to hide your identity, I will not say how, or use the terminology on how to do it. What I will talk about is how can some one identify you. Kazaa works, because each computer connected to the internet has a unique IP address assigned each time it connects, unless you have a static IP address(one that doesn't change when you connect, many cable modem/dsl providers are like this). This IP address is part of a pool of IP addresses your internet service provider is allowed to use. Now how does someone get this IP address? There is nothing magic about it. You connect to someone, you've given them your IP address. Someone connects to you, they have your IP address. But how do I find out your IP address? Using Kazaa(or any other filesharing program for that matter where transfers are between each user involved), as my example it would work this way:
All the tools to get this are freely available on Windows XP(and maybe even Windows 9x, ME, and I know for sure Windows 2000 and NT have them) to get this. So starting from step one: You do a search on Kazaa to find a song to download, you click on the song and the transfer begins(lets say from me), so now I want to know where you are from(I can't find out where you live exactly, but I might be able to find any of the following: city, state, country, but I can also find out WHO you used as your ISP), so first I go use one of the ready tools available to me in windows. A simple program called Netstat, this program tells me who is connected to my computer by IP address. So I find the IP addresses that are related to Kazaa, as these are the ones I am interested in. Netstat doesn't hack into your computer, as a matter of fact it only looks at who is connected to my computer by IP address, but it never interacts with YOUR computer. Ok, so now I have your IP address. All I need to do now, is find out, who does this IP address belong to? Well, that is simple, just use another free resource on the net: internic.com, just type in your IP address on the right form there, and suddenly I know who your ISP is, and very likely the city or state you live in. How long does it take to do this? Running netstat takes a couple seconds, going to the website takes about a minute. And I've done all of this, and never once hacked your computer. Like I said there are plenty of ways to hide from this particular method of identifying you, but I am not going to say how, or where to look up that information. I don't do this myself, but for making the computer of mine as secure as possible, it is good to know and understand how these things work. Hehe. Don't let what I said frighten you, likely they are only going to go after those users sharing several thousands of songs. Yes, they can identify you, but it isn't something that is going to cheap to do. --
  
Date: 6/30/2003 1:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 59940    To get the records of Kazaa users would be like an invasion of privacy,wouldn't it?YOu have to py for Kazaa too,don't you?If you are forced to delete your account because of them,wouldn't that mean you could counter sue?I don't use Kazaa,but I do get some songs off the internet.I suppose it doesn't matter to them whether or not the song is sung in english,lol.I have about fifteen songs by Hikaru Utada,and only one of them is in english (Blow My Whistle from Rush Hour),not counting the other english wone (Simple and Clea from Kingdom Hearts)(Yes,a game )FE  
Date: 7/14/2003 6:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 28363    I'm gonna bookmark this  
Date: 5/3/2004 5:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 54968    Thanks for sharing this!  
Date: 7/31/2006 4:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 7574    Haha.  

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