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Date: 6/20/2003 12:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
I wonder if the lack of replies is because nobody is reading this, or because I am getting some LOOOOOOOOOONG responses, and they aren't done typing?  |
Date: 6/20/2003 12:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Well Well I come here for my weekly visit and who do I see? How are you Phydeux? As to the post, I don't buy that anyones religios preferences are in danger. People just can't imagine opposition to their views. Freedom of religion should allow people to practice, or not, whatever they want. it's those that have to be disputive or interfere with others that are the problem, on both side of the fence. Good post Weiner dog.  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 12:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Just came to check in and here I am to ruin your day eh BCAR?! hehehehe, good to see you buddy. Nice reply too. |
Date: 6/20/2003 1:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
BTW, there is no law that prevents a christian from preying quietly by themselves on school grounds. The laws prevent people from leading prayers at schools. That could be interperted as "state sponsered religion".  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Very good Bob. Nobody can stop you from praying, but they can stop you fom making everyone else have to stop everything for you while you do. |
Date: 6/20/2003 1:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
Well I was chastised for having a bible in school in the 8th grade, and my English teacher had one unopened on his desk and was sent home... it depends on where you are. I don't impose my views upon others, I also respect others views, you can find me in a mosque, a synagogue or a church depending on who I am with...  good post  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
Kethria, If you were chastised by a teacher, for carring a bible, you probably could have sued the school district. The constitution makes it clear that you cannot prevent a person from exercising their religion. That was part of the foundation of this country.. religious freedom. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Yup. Now they can prevent a teacher from having one in the classroom. As long as they are at work, they are representatives of the school, and as such, those rules do apply. Although where I went to school, it was the oposite. They were banning any books that may opose the christian viewpoint. It was a small town in south Texas, so who is suprised. To be honest, the weirdest thing was when I ,oved to that town, the most frequent question I was asked was what church I belonged to. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
I mean more responses. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
I really expected a response on this one. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
So, phydeau, do you have a dachshund? |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
Why is there one on you tag? |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Nope. I don't. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Because they are funny, and the pronuciation of "phydeux" worked. Might wanna keep this discussion in messages and off the debate though, hehehehehe. WHERE ARE THE DEBATERS?! |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
You might get a better response later on today. During the day, USM can be kind of quiet lately. |
Date: 6/20/2003 1:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 56410
Iiiinteresting poem.. I totally disagree with it; I don't think Christians should have any more power than any of the other religions in this country.  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
I agree with you, but even here on USM, I have seen the people that seem to think this way. By the way, I lied. I didn't find this poem. I wrote it last night. It is realy much longer, but I couldn't remember it all. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 18527
I know, I just decided it wasn't worth it... |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
LOL! I wrote it because flipping through the channels last night, I seemed to come across a TON of evangelists spouting this rhetoric, and one did have a poem very like this, but it said these same things in a more veiled way. I just made it obvious. And yes, I know, this isn't a masterpiece of literary work. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 1:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
The notion of "freedom of religion" in America is largely misunderstood. The Constitution says that "..Congress shall make no law with regard to the establishment of religion." This implies that we have the freedom to practice whatever religion we espouse so long as no one else's rights are violated by our actions (i.e. running naked through the mall waving a rubber chicken and barking like a chihuahua is ok as long as we don't hit anyone with the chicken, and provided it's a religious ceremony of some type). Thus, Christian children can pray in school, in groups if they like, so long as they don't disurb others; likewise, Islamic students are permitted to leave class (at least at MY school they were) for the two or three prayers which they must give towards Mecca every day. No fuss, no muss. They bothered no one; we let them be. And that is my opinion, now I must be going to the mall...  |
Date: 6/20/2003 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 22852
Hey BCAR stole my reply...LOL  |
Date: 6/20/2003 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 12835
I am proud to say I agree with my friend BCAR....  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 2:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 22852
I like how WildBob wrote "Preying".. LOL, sometimes I feel like they are "Preying" on me. I have no problems with people believing what they want as long as they don't force it upon others. |
Date: 6/20/2003 2:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 53689
I can't see where Christians are being oppressed. I am a Christian and nobody has ever stopped me from praying to myself or having religious discussions. As far as this poem goes...I am curious about where you got it....it seems more satirical than anything.  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 3:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
There was a lawsuite in Berkley a couple of years ago by a group of christians that said they were being discriminated against in getting promotions. So I do believe that there is discrimination against christians out there I just don't know how much. |
Date: 6/20/2003 3:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 61104
Personally I do not like the poem at all. I am not christina I am wiccan and I believe that everyone's beliefs are sacred and should not be belittled. But thanx for the post anyway. Blessed be!!  |
Date: 6/20/2003 3:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Separation of Church and State. Religion in schools belongs in the private sector.  |
Date: 6/20/2003 3:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
The one thing I do not agree with is the fact that evolution is taught in our schools. I believe that creationism should be taught just as strongly as evolutionism. If one is permitted to be taught then both should be taught. To be fair, it really comes down to either teach both or neither.  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 4:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
Creationism is the christian explaination for the origin of man. If you choose to teach creationism wouldn't you have to teach all religions views on how man came to be on earth? |
Date: 6/20/2003 4:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Rusure, Creationists "science" is NOT science at all. Creation depends on FAITH. Biologists do not have to have "faith" that there are transitional fossils; we can examine them in hundreds of museums around the world, and we can make new discoveries in the rocks all the time. Scientists do not have to have "faith" that the solar system is 4.5 billion years old; they can test the age of the Earth, the moon and meteoric rocks very accurately. There is a huge difference in Science and creationism. Science exists because of the EVIDENCE, whereas religion exists upon faith....and in the case of religious fundamentalism and Creationism...in SPITE OF the evidence. Creationism says "God said it; He Did it; Case closed". Science rely on the Universal SCIENTIFIC METHOD, which says any and all claims must be presented for examination, testing, observation, critical review by peers, and pass through all sorts of comparison with KNOWN results of tests, and there must be an overwhelming conclusion by the Scientists within the Science community.  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 5:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Ah, you do realize if schools teach creationism, they also have to teach Native American explanations of world formation as well...and other religions. |
Date: 6/20/2003 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
"What is it [evolution] based upon? Upon nothing whatever but faith, upon belief in the reality of the unseen—belief in the fossils that cannot be produced, belief in the embryological experiments that refuse to come off. It is faith unjustified by works."—*Arthur N. Field.  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 5:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Thinker, The teaching of evolution in our schools attempts to keep our children in ignorance of the world outside evolution. Also, our children have little or no knowledge of the problems, errors, and hoaxes found in evolution, many of which are still taught as fact in some school textbooks or are not even mentioned, giving the student the idea that the evolutionary world runs smoothly. There is a great concern regarding evolution being taught as fact. Once you wade through the varying definitions, there are so very many theories in the evolutionary world that cannot be supported with solid evidence, despite the claims. Regardless, Our children deserve the right to be aware of alternative teachings. They should be free to question either without being made to feel as if they have stepped outside of the boundaries. They need to make up their own mind, without feeling that it is a disgrace to discuss either subject. Professors in evolution-related subjects admit that there is much discord within the realm of educators, because they either have holes in how they understand evolution and sometimes even doubts, and/or they are afraid to deal with the challenges from students. They also admit that there is a major problem because of how evolution is defined, and they realize that not everyone is saying the same thing. There has been a smear campaign going on against the credentials of Creation/Intelligent Design scientists, yet no one mentions the fact that they have the same experience, education, and honorary awards as evolution scientists. Some Creation scientists have an actual degree in evolutionary biology, and some actively study in evolutionary fields and subjects. They, however, see evolution differently than the evolution scientists. Are they wrong only on the grounds of "They do not agree with me, therefore they are wrong and are to be discredited?" It's not just about the matter of faith which causes those who believe and teach the evolution theories. I truly believe that they fear the competion. Why would it really matter if both or all were taught in our schools? |
Date: 6/20/2003 6:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Sounds like the person who wrote is a fundamentalist bigot. "I am a humble Christian" well that's a laugh! If they're humble then I'm a monkey's uncle.  |
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Date: 6/20/2003 6:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
The notion that dead material can come to life all by itself is not consistent with scientific observation. There are only two documented cases of inanimate objects coming to life. Pinocchio, Frosty the Snowman. Most scientists consider these two reports to be false. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 6:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Rusure, you're grasping at straws; making no sense. "problems, errors, hoaxes" being taught!??? NOTHING is taught as absolute fact! It is presented by saying: "THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW THUS FAR.....BASED UPON....the evidence found THUS FAR". You do not understand the Scientific Method, nor do you WANT to! Kids are free; ANYONE is free to QUESTION; to CHALLENGE anything and present their theories and or evidence. This is what science is all about. REAL scientists are for getting at the FACTS; the truth about our world and ANYONE is welcome to challenge and or even overthrow the already existing facts and or theories....ANYONE! The Scientific Method is our best method for determining facts from falsehoods. "Smear campaign" going on?? Oh, puleeeze! You been paying way to much attention to the creationists and reconstructionist, dearie; the only smear campaign going on is by the creationists because they haven't anything else to go on; they have to try to discredit or smear evolution. Any and all of their books, and literature ONLY knocks evolution, and NO evidence of their own is presented; none is presented to the scientific community for examination by peers, and if it is, that is as far as it gets; for the overwhelming majority of REAL scientists believe in evolution; and they DO use the scientific method. The realm of the supernatural, ghosts, demons, voodoo-hoodoo, gods and goddesses ARE outside of science. Go on; test it out, Rusure. IF you have any evidence; any theory, ANYTHING that you wish to present for review; do it! There are thousands of cases presented to the Scientific community all the time; and very few are ever accepted for review, and I dare say that many of those either make no sense or are outside the field of science. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 6:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
"They fear the competition...". What a JOKE! That sounds exactly like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson's spiel. Real SCIENCE and scientists do not give a diddly squat about any "competition". Science is NOT perfect; but it is about finding FACTS; it is about HONESTY and truthfulness with regard to WHAT IS; and not what is wished, desired, dreamed, or from some religious "feeling" or haunches, or anything of a supernatural nature. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 8:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Thinker, What a JOKE! "I do not understand the Scientific Method, nor do you WANT to!" HA!! HA!! I and a couple others were the top of the class in our science classes all through school! Science in any form was my favorite subject. Don't make me laugh so hard girl! You could say that about math, which I didn't care for, but I am not TOTALLY stupid there either. I do have a son who was offered a job as a Math Professor, so anything I don't know I can sure count on him to come up with the answers fast! |
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Date: 6/20/2003 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Thinker, Now that I have stopped laughing so hard, would you like for me to list a few of the problems, errors, and hoaxes? If it would do any good, I would be more than happy to. Better yet, so that we don't take over Phydeux's post, I would like it if you would make a post regarding the problems, errors, and hoaxes found in the theories of evolution. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 9:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Glad you find it so funny; but to me, from what you said it was rather evident that you don't know what the Scientific Method is. You SAY you do; so why don't YOU tell ME about it, what it is? Also, it was YOU that made the comment about there being "problems, errors, and hoaxes" in evolution, so YOU can make a post about it. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 9:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Thinker..Open up a post instead of your mouth! |
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Date: 6/20/2003 9:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Now, THAT is funny! Take your own advice, Rusure. Again, it wasn't me that made the assertion; the burden of proof (you know what that is?) always rests with the person making the claim. I'll be waiting for YOUR definition of the Scientific Method. |
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Date: 6/20/2003 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Now Now! This is getting out of hand. Why not put up a post Rosure? You made the challenge. Now in science there has been hoaxes that is true. Horrendous ones. However, in time hoaxes are proved to be just that and the scientists or pseudo scientists discredited. You can't blame science because of a few bad apples. We've also had biblical hoaxes too, like the Jesus's brothers coffin which has just recently been proved to be a hoax, and so many more. But getting back to the point of the post... it's mainly about that ridiculous poem which, incidentally, turned out to be a hoax, i.e. she wrote it herself. |
Date: 6/20/2003 10:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 29806
Everyone is persecuted at one point in time. Maybe the Christians are finally getting their comeuppance. -ID-  |
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Date: 6/21/2003 12:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Thinker..I accept the challenge. I will make a post but I will need a few days in order to get some things cleared away so that I will have time to tend the post. If you will notice I do not make many posts because it seems that I can never find the time to attend them as I want. I am hoping to find the time to make a couple of posts regarding the problems, errors, and hoaxes found in evolution. |
Date: 6/21/2003 12:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 62085
All u peeps who are knocking creationism, did u know there is not 1 shred of evidence or scientific proof that evolution exsists. Not 1 organism has been proven to evolve from another organism. Scientists say a certain organism was from millions of years ago, when in fact radio-14 carbon dating is only accurate for about 10,000 years.  |
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Date: 6/21/2003 1:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
"The problem of the origin of species has not advanced in the last 150 years. One hundred and fifty years have already passed during which it has been said that the evolution of the species is a fact but, without giving real proofs of it and without even a principle of explaining it. During the last one hundred and fifty years of research that has been carried out along this line [in order to prove the theory], there has been no discovery of anything. It is simply a repetition in different ways of what Darwin said in 1859. This lack of results is unforgivable in a day when molecular biology has really opened the veil covering the mystery of reproduction and heredity . . Finally, there is only one attitude which is possible as I have just shown: It consists in affirming that intelligence comes before life. Many people will say this is not science, it is philosophy. The only thing I am interested in is fact, and this conclusion comes out of an analysis and observation of the facts."—*G. Salet, Hasard et Certitude: Le Transformisme devant la Biologie Actuelle (1973), p. 331. |
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Date: 6/21/2003 6:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
I agree with some of what you are saying KC. The scientific proof of the origin of the species is still in flux. It is a continuing process, almost like evolution itself. I admit there are a lot of questions to be answered, but not questions that involve creationism. They are scientific questions. Creationism has not advanced at all since biblical times, and indeed is very much influenced by the bible itself. You see the scientific world would agree that there is still much to learn, but it is constantly changing, whereas creationism refuses to change. Every theory is waiting to be proved and science will challenge all theories whether or not their belief systems would also be challenged. You see that's the difference between science and creationism. Science is based on facts, but the facts themselves are also being challenged. KC I am sympathetic to the view expressed by the author of your quote regarding the theory that intelligence came before life, but I won't go into it suffice to say that it is still a theory, i.e my belief and open to scientific scrutiny. Just one more thing, you quote from a thirty year old book. No self respecting scientist would ever do that. Let us save any more discussion on the subject for Rosure's upcoming post. |
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Date: 6/21/2003 6:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 61104
You know some teachers that teach evolution do not believe it themselves. So they do not dwell on the subject long. |
Date: 6/21/2003 8:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Ok say evolution is wrong, how does that make creationism right? creationisms "proof" seems to be lying on evolution being wrong. So if evolution is wrong is everyone going to accept creationism as fact based on no proof? There is evidence of evolution, the fossil records do show animals that bridge between species. Take the Archaeopteryx it had both bird and reptile characteristics. I don't think creationism should be taught in school, well until it gets as much evidence as evolution has anyway.  |
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Date: 6/21/2003 9:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
The theories of science can be demonstrated in any laboratory, including the theory of evolution. The laws of science make accurate predictions, such as those required to land men on the moon or to keep a nuclear reactor from going into meltdown. If one doesn't trust the theory of evolution, then they do not, under any circumstances, should take a vaccine of any kind. Do you know how we are able to keep up with all different strains of flu that used to be the leading cause of death a 100 years ago? We are able to use the theory of evolution (which to scientists, means it's a proven fact...not just some idea that someone came up with). We use the theory of evolution to predict which strains of flu will be around with enough advanced notice that we can produce huge quantities of a molecule that fools our immune system into thinking it has this years flu already, and that it had better gear up to fight it off. Not just any molecule will do: It must very closely resemble the flu that will be here two years from now, as it takes that long to produce enough vaccine. NONE of the over 5,000 gods that mankind has endorsed can make predictions that science can. Not one. |
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Date: 6/21/2003 9:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
Gothgirl, That is a very unfortunate thing; and I dare say that those who teach evolution (or anything for that matter!) and they either do not understand what they are teaching or have little interest. In many areas, there are those who do what they do just to make a living, just to get that paycheck. It's ALL subjects, not just evolution. Just because SOME teachers may just trudge along, teaching just some basics and what they have to, doesn't mean that evolution is not very important to education and us all. |
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Date: 6/21/2003 11:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 1225
People need to stop playing the victim game. Life has no guarantees, no 90 day warranty, and no in-store credit. The substance of life is inequity, and the meaning of life is to remedy that; life without inequity is boring. Life is not G rated, nor is it edited for content. People who complain and complain that their rights are violated when someone starts praying, or when a science teacher (God forbid!) actually tries to teach modern science need to realize what all that complaining is causing! It's not the job of a public school teacher to conform to the eddies and currents of religio-political debate nor to the theological beliefs of any group. Nor should they have to censor history so as to not offend anyone; some textbooks no longer dwell on the significance of the Hiroshima-Nagasaki bombings so as not to offend any Japanese-American students; nor do many California students learn about the Mexican-American war, so as not to offend any Mexican-American students; racism is only addressed when an incident occurs, homophobia isn't addressed at all even after homophically rooted attacks, don't even get me started on the Holocaust, I wouldn't want to offend any Jewish readers or German readers or Neo-Nazi readers. Life is mean, cruel, unreasonable, savage, unpredictable, uncontrollable, and utterly unfair. Deal with it. |
Date: 6/21/2003 3:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
Scientific tests have already been done which prove that the brain has natural functions built in it to experience spiritual awareness and to worship a force greater than itself. The results were very interesting, and camps on both sides have taken them to push their opinions. The non-spiritual side says that the brain must have somehow developed over time this way to interpret reality in order to address the fear of death, which only humans experience, while those with spiritual awareness see it as conformation of what they have themselves known.  |
Date: 6/22/2003 11:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
There are two rights concerning religion. One is freedom of religous choice. The other is freedom from religion for those who so desire. Freedom from religion covers a lot of ground. Yet today in this country, there is no guarantee of freedom from religion. In Alabama, a state supreme court judge demands that the Ten Commandments remain in the rotunda of the state judicial building, and has stated that we must answer to God's law before man's law. In Washington, DC, there has been a move on for some time to grant faith based incentives, and pass faith based laws that would discriminate against those who do not believe the way mainstream Chrstians do. People complain because they can not say a prayer at a public event. Yet, they do not think about those of other beliefs that attend those same events that must listen to their prayer. I have been to a Moslem country, and have seen everything grind to a halt when the call to prayer was issued. If one were a non-Muslim, then they were required to stand in solemn respect to those who did answer the prayer call, whether they wanted to or not. To not respect the call to prayer could mean jail. This is a free republic, and all people do have rights. One's rights though only go so far as to not deny someone else of their rights. That then touches on the concept of creationism. If the schools were to teach creationism, then they would be denying those who do not believe in the creation there right to their own belief. Many do no not believe in evolution, yet evolution is a science based beleif in the creation of our world, while creationism is a faith based belief. If creationism is taught, then as was stated before, every faith based belief on the creation would have to be taught. In the end, there would be little time to discuss much else. Religon and faith are a great thing to have, but they can be taken to extremes. If one wishes to practice the tenets of their belief, then they should feel free to do so. If those tenets include respect for one's fellow man, then that should also include respect for our fellow man's beliefs or lack of.  |
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Date: 6/23/2003 6:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
SEE, imediately we get people who can't grasp the concept of FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Instead you all want to promote your particular view at the expense of someone elses. The Christians and Wiccans want it there way, the Athiests think that since they don't believe, everyone who does is a fool. |
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Date: 6/23/2003 10:03:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Ah... the sweet smaell of the freedom of speech. While I do so very much enjoy THinker and Rusure's debate, I have to adress one post that seemed to get very little attention. "The notion of "freedom of religion" in America is largely misunderstood." You are exactly right there. It is misunderstood. To understand the bill of rights the supreme court (who's job it is to interpret it) looks at the intention behind it. The amendments to the constitution are very short and plain with fairly simple language, so it is important that the intention behind an amendment be examined to understand what it covers. The bill that created the freedom of religion was written by Thomas Jefferson in 1777. He called it his bill for religious freedom. It clearly stated that he was not only trying to establish a persons right to practice their religion, but their freedom FROM religion also. And for those that didn't see my response to it, I wrote this poem, and yes it is sarcasticly geared towards what I have and do hear almost on a regular basis. It was based on a poem that was being read by a minister on TV, all I did was say what his poem said, without trying to cover up what was being said. The REAL poem, about keeping the ten comandments from being posted was spouting very much the same drivil, and it has been posted on USM many times. |
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Date: 6/23/2003 10:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
As far as KC's quote listed here, I think that point is moot. No, Darwin's "Origin of Man" has gone largely unchanged over the years since it was written, because it is a book, and nobody is going to change Darwins book. Now, to believe that the theory of evolution itself has not evolved is foolish. To say that would mean that you (and I know these aren't your words, but a quote you chose to let speak for you) have not looked at a bit of research, or findings. |
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Date: 6/23/2003 10:12:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Now I have let everyone speak out, I will give you my view on the subject. People can worship whoever or whatever they like, none of it bothers me. You can run naked with a rubber chicken if that is what you believe in. Spend every waking moment praying if you like, have groups get together and pray until your heart's content. I have no problem until somone comes up to my child on the street and half scares them to death telling them that they will burn in eternal damnation unless they do what they say. I have a problem when they try to take away my childs education because their docturun doesn't see eye to eye with it. I have a problem when they want to force their THEOLOGY into my child's SCIENCE class. I have a problem when people tout freedom of religion, when what they mean is freedom of THEIR religion. That is where I see the problem. |
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Date: 6/23/2003 10:14:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Now I have let everyone speak out, I will give you my view on the subject. People can worship whomever or whatever they like, none of it bothers me. You can run naked with a rubber chicken if that is what you believe in. Spend every waking moment praying if you like, have groups get together and pray until your heart's content. I have no problem until someone comes up to my child on the street and half scares them to death telling them that they will burn in eternal damnation unless they do what they say. I have a problem when they try to take away my child’s education because their doctrine doesn't see eye to eye with it. I have a problem when they want to force their THEOLOGY into my child's SCIENCE class. I have a problem when people tout freedom of religion, when what they mean is freedom of THEIR religion. That is where I see the problem. Sorry about the misspellings the first time, I was distracted. |
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Date: 6/23/2003 10:18:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
I hear all the time that "creationism" should be taught along side evolution. My question is, just YOUR beliefe of creationism, or do you truely want to practice what you preach, and require ALL beliefes of creationism? |
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Date: 6/23/2003 11:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
The only thing that should be taught in public schools are facts, and logical theories. Religion of any type should not be debunked either, but public funded institutions should not be arenas for religious or political indoctrination. |
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Date: 6/23/2003 11:48:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
Exactly, religion should be taught in the home, and places of worship, not squeesed in between "What is DNA?" and "How mitosis works." The part that really gets me is people say they want "religion" in schools, when what they really want is THEIR religion in schools. That is EXACTLY why a school cannot support any religion. If it supports one, it must support them all. Just like when I was watching PBS the other day, and they said a gay rights group wanted to hang the rainbow flag at the state house. Even my gay friends werew saying how stupid that is, if they allow that, they have to allow the swastika to fly right next to it. |
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Date: 6/23/2003 12:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 1225
While I object to comparing the GLBT Rainbow flag to the Nazi perversion of an ancient symbol for piece (even in this benignant a context), I agree with you on that point: no non-government flags over government buildings! In fact, let's just keep politics out of government and things might actually start to work! |
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Date: 6/23/2003 4:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
People have always LOVED iconoclastic ways, and most "rebel actions" today are because of that, and that alone. |
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Date: 6/24/2003 8:54:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 13974
The flags... each represents a group, you let one in, you have to let them all in. |
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Date: 7/3/2003 6:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 62141
Back in the dark ages (1960s) when I was in school I had a science teacher stand in front of the cass. He said "How many believe God created the Earth?" All raised their hands. THen he said "Well, by law I must teach the theory of evolution. If it offends you, ignore it." Now the thing I don't understand about people's beliefs is this: Why could God not have used evolution to accomplish his own ends. Wouldn't it be much more interesting to create a world where things change than one where everything is stagnant? To watch things evolve when the time is ripe? That would be a much better thing in my opinion, and it does not preclude either creationism or evolution. |
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