Date: 6/15/2003 4:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
I hate those types of idea systems too. I don't like the racism and stuff.. my family has it's share of racists. It really makes me uncomfortable. I had this phase with "thug" guys (most of which were black) and my dad and grandpa like flipped. Oh well.. some people's minds never change.  |
Date: 6/15/2003 4:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 39887
Honey there will always be differences in people. We are like crayons in a box, we all ahave our favorite color. What we all need to learn is to accept that everyone else does not have to be what we want them to be, if we learn to accept what we cannot change, it will lighten our burdens. I do not consider myself racist but I don't believe in mixed marriages of any races, although my grandchildren are mixed and they are my life. I have never and will never like the situation but I have learned to accept it.  |
Date: 6/15/2003 4:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
The reason that many older people are like that is becuase for them, thats what it was like growing up. In the society of their time, it *was* the the case that clothing and customs of other cultures were almost (or sometimes completely) exclusive to those cultures, there being a certain climate of seperation and dis-association between different races and cultures. They simply didn't know any other way. Now, even though the view of contemporary society has evolved and become less restrictive and predjudiced, the beliefs, values and lifestyles that were previously so prevalent have become ingrained in these people, to the point where they simply cannot accpet anything that would change or upset their own world-view. This is not true in every case of course, but for those cases where it is applicable, there is little that can be done other than to accept that that is thier view, and try to encourage them to accept that other people's views may be different.  |
Date: 6/15/2003 5:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Busy Bee your a few years younger then me grandma. May ask why you dont believe in mixed marriages of any race? What is wrong with that?  |
Date: 6/15/2003 5:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I wonder if this is a matter of 'old fashioned ideas' or just 'downright racism under another name'? Being closed minded does not mean that one is old fashion. Being closed minded shows one's ignorance in a big way. Some people refuse to grow and that is sad.  |
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Date: 6/15/2003 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 62196
Hey BusyBee, that's just wrong. If something should be changed and we cannot change it we should fight to change it. And Kaja, those are not Old Fashioned Ideas, I know people my age, older, and younger, that think that way. |
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Date: 6/15/2003 5:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
We are all people with different colors of skin, different cultures, different ideas and opinions. I never could understand why anyone would think that the color of one's skin would make anyone less of a person. Just who do we think we are to think that the person over there is not as good as I am because he/she has darker skin, or was raised different, or under different circumstances, etc, etc. Wealth, physical beauty, nor the color of skin has nothing whatsoever to do with someone being a better person than another. When will people stop being so ignorant and closed minded? |
Date: 6/15/2003 6:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 31765
yanno, I think even if we were all transparent, there would be bigotry. "your kidneys aren't shaped right." for me, i don't care what color a person's skin is. it's only packaging. i'm about as white as Casper; so is my guy. but it wasn't his skin that attracted me, it was his heart and personality. if he was purple with yellow polka dots, i'd love him the same. frankly, i feel sorry for racist people because they're only cheating themselves out of the opportunity of meeting wonderful friends, and excluding them simply because of the chance of pigment.  |
Date: 6/15/2003 6:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
I'm racist and I know it. I couldn't care less about mixed marriages though. you follow your heart that's what I say. Just coz I wouldn't do it doesn't mean I would stop someone from doing it. Although when it comes to the clothes if your living in her house then you should abide by her rules. Their is a solution if you don't like it and I don't mean to be rude when I say this but "Move out".  |
Date: 6/15/2003 6:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
I agree RUsure. Kurtvedder she doesnt have a problem with the clothes as in their like naughty or anything (I mean a skirt n shirt that covers you whats wrong wit that  ) she just thinks they're there so people who are indian can buy them! I think thats terrible... She probably will take us to Iowa city for the store but she wont like it lol... Just cuz clothes are from a different culture i dont think that it should be a rule i cant wear them (she never said it was, in fact I have 1 of the skirts and its down to my feet i mean come on...) *sigh* some people are just amazing to me when they can think things like that or like mixed marriages arent alright....sorry to busybee n those who think that i just cant understand it. |
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Date: 6/15/2003 6:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
oh hehe i thought i should clarify one thing here: those clothes, its not like i wanna run around in traditional india dress all the time or anything. I just like fashion a lot and if something tickles my fancy i will wear it. So if I like a shirt or skirt I'm gonna wear it, and if their is nothing wrong with it (as in its not showing parts that shouldnt be showing hehe im overweight so no one wants to see that anyways :/...) then there is no reason i shouldnt be able to wear it. It would be ridcoulous for me not to be able to wear a beautiful skirt just because I'm white! I mean people of other cultures (especially when they live in America) usually dress in *westerner* clothes...jeesh my grandma thinks else wise.... |
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Date: 6/15/2003 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
There's a few stores in my area that has clothing worn by different cultures. There have a few things I truly like. They are beautiful and decent. If I feel I want to wear something that the Indians use to wear in the past, why not? There's also this Japanese wrap around that is so beautiful. I'm not sure what it is called, but it is something that I really like. Would it be wrong for me to buy this and to wear it? NO!! I don't buy nor wear clothing to please others. I do however want to be considerate and not wear something that is indecent and offensive, but if I like something and it is decent, then I do not see that it is anyone else's concern and especially if the objecter happens to be someone who judges other by the color of their skin. I don't tend to trust their reasoning as to why they object anyway. |
Date: 6/15/2003 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
it only seems to be the race issue... remember there is soo m uch more then that... you need to respect your grandparents they have been through alot... they have seen alot with thier eyes they have been through world wars... they grew up to be good wives wearing thier white gloves and not having a say....there are certian things you don't bring up with grandparents or even your parents...i know you don't always see eye to eye on some things... but you don't have to always see eye to eye  |
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Date: 6/15/2003 9:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
lol Midnightly I know. We usually get along. I love my grandparents n parents just this annoys me I guess ... My grandma has to be the model of what the 50s women were supposed to be.... hehe drives me up the wall but I learned a lot i guess...hehe i think they learned a lot with me too... |
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Date: 6/15/2003 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Midnightly..I agree with you in some of what you say, but I think I would be safe in saying that her grandparents are not much older than I am if any. If I was so prejudice, I would hope that my grandchild would try to help me to see just how ignorant I am. Sure.. Not in a disrespectful way, but with love and consideration. IF my parents or grandparents would have said to me "But Barb...there's only colored guys down there!" I would let them know that I am not prejudice and exactly how I felt about such things. Remember there's wisdom that comes out the mouths of babes and we are never too old to learn. |
Date: 6/15/2003 10:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
it reeks of racism if you ask me...nothing to do with the fashion either...very sad...and I'm definately not a racist....my grandchildren and nephews are mixed and I envy their beautiful colouring...I dont look at them in colours!!!! hugs  |
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Date: 6/15/2003 10:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
RUSure my grandma is I believe 62 and my grandpa 66 and my other (my moms mom) grandma is 66 also. Zema and RUSure I envy you guys. I actually do fight back whenever they say stuff like that. When my one grandma said the *colored guys* comment I said *so whats wrong with that?* and she said she just didnt think that...then she kinda thought that moment and said thats just how she was raised she guessed. I sat for 10 minutes and argued it but then we arrived (she was driving) at our place so the conversation ended |
Date: 6/15/2003 10:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
My three grandchildren are caucasian/hispanic. Nina is very white, Steven gets very tan and Christopher gets extremely dark skinned. If you notice, I use their names because THEY are, as individuals more important than what color their skin is. They each describe others based on hair color instead of skin color. Yellow, black, red, or brown hair, thats what they see about people. I love the fabrics and colors of clothes made in India, and have quite a collection of dresses made from those favrics, although the style isn't for me.  |
Date: 6/15/2003 10:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
QC..I am getting close to their age and my hubby is already one of their ages.  My family is also mixed. I think there is a little of everything in our family. I tell you one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen is the grown child of my hubby's white niece and a black man. I have never seen such beautiful skin and such beautiful eyes in my life. A nephew of mine married a Korean woman and their children are so very beautiful also. Maybe I learned all about the pain of being prejudice at a very young age since I came from a very strong Native American background. Also, I had seen my father get his windshield blow out by a shotgun because he stood up for what he believed in and took a black man to church services and offered to take him anywhere else he needed to go. I have seen what prejudices and racism can do and I still think it is showing such ignorance for anyone to be like that. |
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Date: 6/15/2003 10:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
SG..That's a beautiful way of putting it. |
Date: 6/15/2003 11:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
aww RUSure and SG i agree wit both of u, and its sad how people can be  |
