Date: 6/6/2003 6:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 60018
Ei yi yi, I'm not even going to get into this :P  |
Date: 6/6/2003 6:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 56910
I agree, but with the Reagan Iran Contra incident, it really wasn't his fault, he had alzheimers and it was really his advisors and such who were corrupt. anyway all i can say was the 80's was a bad decade. i hate the 80's  |
Date: 6/6/2003 6:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
APPLAUSE! R1, hang on to yer shorts, dearie; cuz ya ain't seen nuttin' yet! The heat is on! Bush and his mighty Texas size EGO is gonna get burned real bad. I'll be back to reply later; gotta run for now.   |
Date: 6/6/2003 6:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47162
Republicans think because they are pro-life and can find faults in Clinton's marriage, they can call themselves moral and then turn around and do things that really do harm our country. It's such a crock!  |
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Date: 6/6/2003 7:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 56910
I agree. Whatever Clinton did in his personal life was just that his personal life and really none of anyones business except his and Hillary's. Maybe monicas too |
Date: 6/6/2003 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
You say Republicans outnumber Democrats in scandals, yet fail to mention we've had more Republican presidents then Democrat presidents since Nixon. Forgetting for a moment about Bill Clinton and Monica, focus on all the other mistakes of his presidency. Trading millitary technology to the Chinese for campaign contributions, his lousy attempt at fighting terrorism was bombing an Aspirin factory in Sudan, not to mention Janet Reno. I saw a statistics page not too long ago with some records Clinton set. Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation", First first lady to come under criminal investigation, Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case, First president to establish a legal defense fund, Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions (from abroad also). Obviously there have been many political scandals, but to call the democrat party free of scandals is just lies. The Clinton's and their administration are no where near scandal free.  |
Date: 6/7/2003 1:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
I think democrats and republicans are the same party... they just swop places whenever a good or a bad guy is needed. The real puppeteers are never seen (to be moving their lips). It is well known that many interns (girls and boys) were employed, not for their office skills but for their 'other' skills. I am rather concerned about the forged document story that was used as evidence of wmds. I read somewhere that they used an old student dissitation as the basis for the report. The weapons inspector Barradei was the first to spot the glaring forgeries 'proving' that Iraq bought uranium from Nigeria. It's all very scary stuff.  |
Date: 6/7/2003 5:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 54444
Oh well! Boys will be boys and politicians will be liars. Personally I am OK with Saddam being ousted. And I think any tax cut is a good thing.
Bad intelligence in Iraq (if it proves to be) doesn't reflect on Bush, but his advisors. No president does his own intelligence, he listens to the advisors who are suppose to know.
bills bedroom habits don't interest me no do anyone elses. Hilary is a total socialist so she has me nervous. I have never seen the Contra thing as bad, It helped us not hurt us. The government needs secret projects and funding for them to keep us secure in todays world. Actually the party with the most problems now is the Democrats who lack a powerful leader with amertican and not socialistic ideals. Being an Independent I dont give a hoot what party is in power. My favorite pres of modern times wad a Democrat. And no I dont mean Kennedy. How about Truman. I could go on listing this and that but why. Gotta deal with what is today and get on with it. All I see before us for the next 4 or 5 years is a better, more secure country, taking a role in leading and helping restructure a very sick world. I feel blessed to be living in this day and age.  |
Date: 6/7/2003 8:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
While we have not found large quantities of WMD,s we have found evidence (the mobile weapons labs etc.) we also know (Via. intelligence, UN reports and eyewitness accounts) that Saddam HAD these weapons, and he has shown no verifiable proof that he destroyed them. Where are they then? If they were destroyed why wasn't the UN allowed to witness that? I'll also challenge Anyone to tell me that getting rid of Saddam was a Bad thing. And why. The scandals and profiteering of the Clinton administration pales in comparison to Any former administration, what about the 35 million donated to the "Clinton Library" where is it? What about selling pardons? Or declaring millions of acres of Government owned land closed to mining thus increasing in value mining properties in New Mexico and South America that Clinton and several large contributors hold interests in? There is plently to point at in the republican party but don't try and sell those thinking people amoung us the line that the Democrats are the right choice for America.  |
Date: 6/7/2003 8:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 55967
I agree with Alien, and take it further. Not only have the Rep. had more presidents in office, and not only was Clinton into more scandals than you relate, but there were scandals with the Dem. presidents going way back to Roosevelt. The cleanest Dem. I can think of in all that time was Carter, but he had failings in other areas.  |
Date: 6/7/2003 10:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
Just a general question (not that i'm for either party)- if the Republicans are so bad, then why do they keep getting into power?  |
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Date: 6/7/2003 10:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
Just a general question (not that i'm for either party)- if the Republicans are so bad, then why do they keep getting into power? |
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Date: 6/7/2003 10:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
sorry, sent it twice...my computer is messed up |
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Date: 6/7/2003 10:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
BCAR Analysts have disputed that those labs were for producing wmds. There is also evidence for them being used to create hydrogen for weather balloons LOL. The story link is: http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=iraq |
Date: 6/7/2003 2:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I believe the news (newspapers, cable access, T.V. news) are ALL biased, and there is a certain amount of big-Brother watchdog groups, to make sure the American public never finds out the whole truth about ANY subject.  |
Date: 6/7/2003 4:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 61999
Amen, LSG. You said it. --- As for my views, I believe they are the same party, I just vote for the lesser of the two evils -- which, so long as I've been alive, has been the Dems. If the Republicans can do me a favor and NEVER put a Bush into office again (unless it's one of the daughters, lol), then MAYBE I'll vote that way. Remember, though, that behind every President is the Illuminati, and the Skulls. :-P ~~The Mighty DreamGyrl, who is afraid of the CIA~~  |
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Date: 6/8/2003 8:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Honestly if all of you folks believe in freedom and fairness and the principles this country is founded on, you should do like I did years ago ago and join the Libertarian party. I always vote that way unless it's a close and critical election, then I'll vote for the person most likely to beat the Democrat. I don't like paying 30% income tax, I don't like my money being spent of more Government employees and programs. In fact I think income tax is unconstitutional. Have a national sales tax- tax money spent not money earned. That is fairest way and of course the Democrats are dead set against it. People making over $50,000 a year pay 85% of the taxes in this country, over 3 Billion is refunded to people who pay NO Taxes At All. Tax cuts for the Rich? (those making over 50k) Darn right, they are the ones paying most of them. No tax cut for the poor- Darn Right- They aren't paying Anything. It doesn't take much common sense to figure that one out. |
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Date: 6/8/2003 1:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 58681
Is the Libertarian party more right than the republicans Bcar? I wouldn't want to jumping from the frying pan into the fire. |
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Date: 6/8/2003 3:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
I just read something Tony Blair said in a speech. He said, "We will assemble evidence to prove Iraq had wmd." Does that mean they're going to plant the evidence? LOL Well they have had time. |
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Date: 6/9/2003 4:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
The Libertarians are on the right, the same side as the Republicans, but I think they are a bit too extreme. They want government out of everything except defense of the homeland, if I am not mistaken. Would that not mean then, that there would be no laws protecting people against, say, bad business practices? Well, maybe some creative people could get together and come up with some type of insurance programs to protect the consumer or something, but would a state in which there are no laws to protect the average consumer something people need? If I'm wrong on this, BCAR, let me know, but like I said, I think Libertarians are for a government whose SOLE duty is to protect its citizens from foreign invasion and criminal activities. |
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Date: 6/9/2003 5:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
If you're right, then Libertarian is not for me thank you. If you did away with the federal laws, then each state would be run like a different country. Anyway getting back to the post. Government should be accountable for everything they do. We tend to forget that they are supposed to be the 'servants' of the people. Everything should be monitored. And governement shouldn't pass laws that prevent truth from coming out. We need more whistleblowers. |
Date: 6/9/2003 5:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I don't think that either political party has an absolute hold on morality. Both parties have their crooks and saints. I think that time will tell if Mr. Bush actually lied or it there were WMD. I say wait another year or so before you judge him.  |
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Date: 6/9/2003 6:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
I agree, Wildbob. Nicely put. |
Date: 6/12/2003 6:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 13952
standing ovation for BCAR..........  |
Date: 6/14/2003 7:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 61912
B-CAR, what are you talking about, have you heard of Bush's latest tax cuts and who they are going to benefit. I think your a little confused on which party supports the rich versus the poor. And folks by the way Democrats and Republicans arent that much different in the end. Democrats are conservatives and Republicans are reactionaries. Think about it........  |
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Date: 6/14/2003 1:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Andy, Bush's new tax cuts benifit people who pay taxes period. The more taxes they pay the more they would benifit naturally. They people who are moaning about not getting a rebate are people who pay little or no taxes, this is not a welfare giveaway it's a TAX CUT. As for the Libertarian party, the premise of their platform is the United States constitution. The duty of the government is to ensure the safety and security of it's citizens and to enforce the law. A nominal tax or tarif to do that would come in the form of a sales or Individual set amount annual tax. States are free to elect representatives who can in turn pass social programs or benifits as their people desire. For example if Californians want welfare- fine, but why should a Texan pay for it. Social security is also abolished (no more FICA tax) but you have to save for your own retirement. Income tax (which is unconstitutional) would be abolished in favor of sales or property taxes, In other words the more you spend or own the more you pay. It's fair, It incourages savings and individual responsibility. Your basic question above has a basic answer. Republicans are pro business, Democrats are pro Government. If you feel you should some day give most of your money to the Government and let them decide- Your education, your retirement, your employment, well thats where it will go. In the mean time more and more businesse providing services would go under, to be replaced by a government run program. Libertarians are pro freedom- but their policies carry the burden of individual responsibility. |
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Date: 6/14/2003 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 61912
Your libertarian utopia concept sounds nice, but Im pretty sure America will never see a Libertarian president, in which case I seriously doubt it would make any difference at all. And as for Bush's tax cut it does not include people who make less than $25,000 a year. Now those people pay taxes yet they will not see any decrease in the taxes they pay, its not accross the board as you would like these young people at USM to think. Its not fair, and my friend in November my vote will cancell yours. I think thats where it stands. Take care....... |
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Date: 6/16/2003 6:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Do you actually think a Democrat is going to give you a tax cut? And just how much tax does a family making under $25,000 pay? |
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Date: 6/16/2003 10:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 61912
In retrospect thier share, we'll see how it all turns out, I hope it works out as you say, but I have my doubts. |
