Date: 5/29/2003 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 45948
Thanks for pointing that out, because I work for the police dept and I will admit, i make only HALF of that a year! Go Figure! Love,  |
Date: 5/29/2003 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Awwww Frank, If I didnt know any better I would think you were jealous! :P  |
Date: 5/29/2003 4:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
Your averages are a lot lower than around here. Average rent $750/month. Average morgage payment $900-$1000/month. Average teacher salary $35,000. The only teachers I ever had that took elaborate vacations were those that were married to doctors or professors.... $30,000 per year isn't squat for a degreed professional.  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 4:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
p.s. it also sounds like you're one of the "some" ;o) |
Date: 5/29/2003 4:34:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
LL, there's nothing wrong with my mind so I could have easily taken that route and become a teacher had I chosen to do so. No, I did my own thing and I'll live and die with the consequences. The difference is that I don't go around whining to anyone who will listen about how I don't make enough. I can imagine that you were smiling as you wrote your reply to this post. AE, you deserve more money for what you do. It would be bad if we didn't have 911 response. Mercury, the cost of living isn't bad here. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read and reply to this. My bride read this and remarked that it's a miracle that she even knows how to read. I agree. She went to school in another town and all they ever did in class was watch movies and recordings of irrelevant TV shows. She learned nothing there. It's very often that she asks me questions about history, geography, science, English or any number of other things and I can't believe that she isn't kidding me.  |
Date: 5/29/2003 4:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
I live modestly Frank, but I must admit I could not live very comfortable on 30 grand a year. that is about what I make, but my wife also works. Still I agree I hate to listen to whiners. In fact insurance and taxes are the real culprits in my eyes. unfortunately the insurance companies have the government backing them with legislation telling us what kinds of insurances we MUST carry. And if uncle sam gets his hand any deeper into my pocket I will be the worlds FORTH best tenor. I could live well on my salary if i got to keep some of it. Here's to smaller government, less taxes, lower insurance premiums, and non-whining teachers. Great post.  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 4:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
'Some' what, Mercury? |
Date: 5/29/2003 4:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
"Some" who just love to complain Frank, LOL...  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 4:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Thanks, MOA. KC, I just call them like I see them and I never get in their faces and complain about how broke I am. |
Date: 5/29/2003 4:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 11341
You better do your math again Frank. Its sad that you can make more hauling garbage than you can teaching children. Teachers deserve more money.  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 4:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 11341
Forgot to say I agree, some people just love to complain. Heck sometimes Im one of them. LOL@MOA and 4th best tenor! |
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Date: 5/29/2003 4:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
DMK, I did my math just fine. Let's just say that their basic expenses are ten thousand dollars. That still leaves them twenty thousand. I can think of a whole lot of things that a person can do with that much money. |
Date: 5/29/2003 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
LOL!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 5:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
PRS, I'm glad you got a kick out of this. I thought you might, sis. LOL! |
Date: 5/29/2003 5:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Around these parts, if you figure mortgage, electricity, gas, phone, cable or satellite (if you care to watch TV), and groceries, then you are looking at minimum $16,000 a year. Add to that homeowners insurance, auto insurance (mandatory), vehicle fuel and maintenacne, car payment, clothingm and other essentials, $30,000 would just make it. My work (both jobs), requires me to have a pickup. Try buying a new 3/4 ton for less than $35,000. Fortunately, I am a darn good mechanic, and can keep both my trucks on the road. That still tales a few hundred dollars a year to do so. No, $30,000 isn't all that much, especially with the job that teachers do. Of course, no one thinks about the time they spend outside of school hours grading papers and putting lessons together.  |
Date: 5/29/2003 5:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 24319
Average rent is $300!? I'm moving to your town! Where I live, we pay $550 and that's JUST a ONE room apartment with a small kitchen and small bathroom. NO bedrooms. I wish they could make it where teachers could get paid by how good of a teacher they are. I remember in high school, I had some teachers that I would swear were brain dead and didn't teach us a darn thing and shouldn't have gotten 30,000 a year, yet I had some very outstanding teachers who deserved way more then 30,000 a year. IMO anyways.  |
Date: 5/29/2003 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
my BF worked at a video store and they were gettign ready to close(selling off all the stock) they had JUST marked the prices down an hour beforehand and a teacher came in with a large stack of movies and said that he was a teacher and he deserved to have a good discount on the movies that he was buying(of course he was told no he couldn't have hte discount he bought them anyways and left a little rudely) but how i look at it.. when you go into a teaching career you KNOW the salary isn't going to be very much... teaching has alot of perks(money not being one of they but perks none the less) teachers know what they are getting into before they get into it  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 5:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
WS and Carrie, you need to move. Thanks, Midnightly. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 5:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Framk, I spent most of my life getting to where I could enjoy the country life near the lake, as well as have my own business. In fact, for a while I lived on the lake, but got tired of all the weekenders who never knew when it was time to be sleeping. There is no way I would give up what I have now. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 5:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
WS, in this little town, you'd be in Heaven. It's thirty minutes from the mountains and there are lakes but everything else that you could ever want or need is right here and easily acceptable. The cost of living is quite reasonable and I would never want to live anywhere else. |
Date: 5/29/2003 5:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Oh yea and lets not forget all teh work teacher's do that is extra and how much money they put into tehir classroom buying extra supplies and such that the government is no longer funding. Two years ago my husband made more then the teachers do fixing wrecked cars and we were always broke...we did not live extravagantly we lived on a budget and were still broke. If you consider all the bills mortgage, power, water, gas, groceries, car maintenance and gas, tolls for driving to work, clothing for myself, my husband and my children, school costs (paper,pencils feild trips, extra supplies like film,t-shirts for their feild trips, tissues, hand sanatizer) That is not even to mention that we lost about 15 percent of his pay right off the top for taxes and his job did not offer medical insurance and we could not even begin to afford coverage for all of us privately so we just prayed none of us got real sick...he finally left that job and is due for his benefits at his new job but my point is that with children and a house payemnt and all the other things we have to pay for we have absolutely NOTHING left over as I am sure teh teachers are the same. Of course I stay home with my kids but honestly after paying for child care costs and the cost of an extra vehicle and insuance and gas etc my pay would not make a huge difference in our living. How is it that teachers who shape our future leaders minds and are responsible for our children for 7 to 10 hours a day make less then movie stars and atheletes? That is warped if you ask me and they have every right to complain and should mnost defenitely get paid way more  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 5:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Jessica, most of the teachers around here are either married with spouses who work, too. If they aren't, they're widows. Either way, it isn't that bad. They certainly aren't hurting in any way. I'm sorry but I'm not going to be crying for them any time soon over their finances. |
Date: 5/29/2003 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 1334
Well I guess I should move because a one bedroom apartment rents for anywhere between 900.00 and 1200.00 a month a and to buy a house you are looking at nearly 4 grand a month. a new teacher in this area does only make about 30grand a year. Now I think that is crazy for the cost of living here. Now if we were in your area and they made that amount and were complaining I would say shove it. However I also see the point of they knew what they were getting into and they pay scales before they went into teaching so they have nobody to blame but their self. ...  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 6:05:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
That's true, SQKY. |
Date: 5/29/2003 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 61977
Well I have a couple things to say, your pay should be based on the cost of living in your area. I wish it was that cheap everywhere that it is in Kentucky. LOL. Another thing that I wanted to share. We need money to survive to live, eat, clothe and cover our heads and keep us warm not to mention transportation. So many people these days have become greedy with money and want to have it all. So many people out there would love to have a job they enjoy but cannot. I would rather make next to nothing and barely get by then have all the money in the world. Material does not make a human being and is not what life is all about. Many people forget that. When you perish all the money and materials stay here, you cannot take it with you. What you have is your soul your being, that you take with you. Be happy and thankful for what the Lord has blessed you with, because some are always less fortunate then you are. Riches are not everything. Enjoy life now while you are still in the land of the living. Well I think I have said enough and have said my peace. LOL. Blessings,  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 6:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
That's all very true, MMN. I agree with you. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 7:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 61977
Oh something I forgot to add or say in case you did not catch the drift. I would rather enjoy work and have a rewarding job and get next to nothing then work at a place that I cannot stand with no rewards and make a pretty penny. I am out for what I can do or provide for the society as whole, not what society can offer me. |
Date: 5/29/2003 7:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 20956
i dont know about how your teachers go over in the USA, but our teachers get paid crappy money ... a few of my friends have recently graduated from uni and are getting placements in schools .... they are on crap wages but they love it ... why?? because they became a teacher because they love to be with kids, teach kids ... they love there job. While i am not saying that loving your job will put food on the table, it is definatley something that needs to be considered when making a career decision ... does passion for a job out weigh pay of a job? and no i dont live in fairy tale land where money falls from the sky!   |
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Date: 5/29/2003 7:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
I came across an article discussing teacher pay raises for the ten years from 1991-2001. When adjusted for inflation, teachers gained a total of 3% for the ten year period in pay raises. That comes out to .3% per year. With all the money that has been put into education, teachers have seen very little of it. Frank, the teachers in Tennessee are $11,000 below the national average. The national average is $43,000. Tennessee's average pay for teachers is $32,000. If your teachers are only making $30,000, then they are $2000 below the state average. Now, $30,000 may sound good to a lot of people. In this day and time, it is not. Most people in this country live from paycheck to paycheck, with very little put back for that rainy day. Such was not the case 30-40 years ago. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 7:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
But, WS, you must consider that the cost of living in this small town is nominal. You don't have to be Bill Gates to live here and be very comfortable. |
Date: 5/29/2003 7:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 61893
Also, most people have children, and children are very expensive! I think teachers and cops need a pay raise in my opinion!  |
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Date: 5/29/2003 8:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
SB, cops deserve raises. Teachers don't. As I said before, most of them here are either married or widowed. If they're widowed, they're old and don't have kids. Besides that, their houses are paid for. If they're married, their spouses work. They have plenty of money and I don't want to hear them squealing about how broke they are anymore. I wish I could just watch the news and not have to hear about it. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 8:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 61893
Frank, the teachers here are either very young or very young. Most are young tho, and just out of college. I know of 3 that are married and have children of their own. They are around 25 years old and their kids are between 1-3 years old. They don't drive nice cars at all, nor do they dress expensive. One that I know lives in a trailor, and barely getting by. Not to mention that they spend their own money for some of the school supplies. I have seen many of them at Wal-mart buying items for the children to use at school. The parents help out as much as we can, but that is even getting harder and harder to do. Also, they have to pay taxes, just like all of us. Now, some of the older teachers have nice things, but they have worked hard most of their young life to get it. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 61893
I meant very old ^^ OOPS!! Sorry..lol |
Date: 5/29/2003 8:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 59418
well i get 25dirhams pocket money every week   |
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Date: 5/29/2003 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Frakenstein I dont want to sound rude but live in their lives for a few days and then tell me how things are for them. I am not saying they should get rich teaching but they should get more tehn they are...my son's first grade teacher had a husband who worked and she worked and she still had to work part tiem at Disney to make ends meet. Dont forget that these people have student loans to pay off also and there is a huge shortage in teachers nationwide because of the pressures of the job and insufficient pay |
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Date: 5/29/2003 9:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
Jessica, I don't mean to be rude either but you live in my shoes for a day and see how good you feel when you have nothing to eat but Ramen noodles and then hear them complain about how all they could afford to do was to go to Disneyland. It's sickening. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 9:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 61977
LOL @ Frankie. |
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Date: 5/29/2003 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 53900
Trust me I have been there...when I first got married my husband was making about 165 a week to support a family of 3. It was really rough. I look back now and have absolutely no clue how we ever did it because we make more now then we did then and we are more broke now then we ever were before. |
Date: 5/30/2003 1:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 36901
We live in a college town. I'm not sure we could rent a box for $300.00 a month. It's very seldom that I don't agree with you, but I do this time. I do think teachers deserve more money.  |
Date: 5/30/2003 11:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 33900
I think that they Prob spen more than 3,00 dollars a year on their living essiantials but, 30,000 is a good salary in todays time and I think your on the right track here. If you have been a teacher for years at the same school you do get raises and good ones. I know several teachers that are friends of my parents and not only do they have Nicer homes, but they spent years at the same school and have invested money and have retirement. They are better of than my parents and my parents BOTH had successful bussinesses. Don't get me wrong here, NEW teachers are the ones that I think want more. BTW If I had to teach at our local middle school, I would just shoot myself now and get it over with, there isn't enough money in the world!...LOL....Good post  |
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Date: 5/30/2003 12:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i do also think that things should be factored into the idea that teachers also get 2-3 MONTHS off a year when your average worker working anywhere else would get 2-3 weeks |
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Date: 5/30/2003 12:23:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 47699
That's very true, Midnightly. Excellent point. Divide $30,000 by nine months and see how much they make an hour. I'll save you from doing the math. They make $20.80 an hour. Bear in mind that most of them also work at least a portion of the three summer months when they're off. Yeah, they're really hurting. Registered nurses don't have it that easy but I never hear them complaining about anything. |
Date: 5/30/2003 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 22721
If the teachers complain so much, let them look for a new job. I'm sure they will love having Mondays off.  |
