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Date: 5/22/2003 12:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 40530
*sigh* Okay, that REALLY sucks. In fact, that's just horrible  |
Date: 5/22/2003 1:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
LOL tell me about it that is just pure ignorance and no desire to ever rid themselves of it!! AAHHAAHH!!  |
Date: 5/22/2003 1:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 4887
OMG!! That's wrong. When are they just gonna leave us alone??  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 40530
*sighs* Ignorance with refusal to learn...it should be a sin |
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Date: 5/22/2003 1:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
I looked up the definition in the dictionary not that I needed to but this is what I found One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion. One who has no religion. A non-Christian. A hedonist. A Neo-Pagan. adj. Not Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Professing no religion; heathen. Neo-Pagan. |
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Date: 5/22/2003 1:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Good thing they do not burn ppl at the stake anymore!! |
Date: 5/22/2003 1:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
I remember Eeyore's Birthday (May Day)in Austin...what a freak show, but so much fun...not to encourage you too much, but maybe try that angle...there can be a Maypole, drummers, all kinds of activities such as the three legged race, egg toss...many vendors, face painting, hippy crafts...it can be a major money-maker for your town if you try to expand your interests, instead of singling out Paganism...look into the Eeyore's Birthday, Austin, TX...do a net-search, maybe there's a site and you can glean some ideas...just a thought.  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 1:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
just out of curiousity...do you profess to being heathens? LOL sorry, you left yourself open by adding the definition...take it as light as it was meant to be, k... |
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Date: 5/22/2003 1:23:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Look up the word heathen space case. It is not actually as bad as everyone uses it as. |
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Date: 5/22/2003 1:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
heathen: adj : not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam [syn: heathenish, pagan] n : a person who does not acknowledge your God [syn: pagan, gentile, infidel] |
Date: 5/22/2003 1:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
The funniest thing about this is that by sending out his little letter he is advertising for the Pagen Pride day. More people are now aware of it and will attend. It will now most likely get more media attention than it would have had he just ignored it. You should send him a thank you letter.  |
Date: 5/22/2003 1:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 58611
Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense!  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 1:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
ah, and if you act heathenish, then you are deemed *uncivilized or barbaric*...now that's what I MEAN when I call my kids heathens...derived from the World Book Dictionary Vol. I A-K...interesting that I never knew the TRUE meaning. Thanks for feedin' my hungry brain *CHOMP* |
Date: 5/22/2003 1:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Is that Great Falls Montana???  |
Date: 5/22/2003 1:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
Stupid people! ALL religions must have the right to celebrate as they see fit!  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 2:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Yes King Caspian. It is. So see you r using the word in a dirogatory sense. Some ppl might actually concider that a compliment sometimes. I personally do not like the word heathen but if soem ppl want to profess to it then fine they have that right. Just as they have the right to celebrate their religion. And also you cannot disguise a Pagan Pride Day that is the whole meaning of the festival. Being Pagan and being proud of it and not ashamed of it like some ppl think they should be!! |
Date: 5/22/2003 2:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 17014
Stand up for what is right my ..... They say their religion doesn't push itself in the community. Where is this Great Falls anyways?  |
Date: 5/22/2003 3:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 13190
i say you stand up and have a signign of a petition in the same place just have people wear things that say proud to be pagan and hold the pagan day thing anyways  |
Date: 5/22/2003 5:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
oh god, ppl r such jerks. they can't really stop them from having a celebration tho. its their right to peaceably assemble. or if they sign a petition, then get us pagans/wiccans to sign one of our own. i'll even get signatures from ppl here. grr@him.  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 5:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
That would be awesome emi |
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Date: 5/22/2003 5:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
That would be awesome emi |
Date: 5/22/2003 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
I would sign a petition just to tick off this councilman and his band of morality police. Stuff like this is why we have a Constitution. Of course, some people don't believe it applies to everyone.  |
Date: 5/22/2003 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
I don't think King was being derogatory. Great falls is a pretty town. But you made a request and got turned down. Things like this are normally decided by what is going to please the majority of the constituents. Have your event somewhere outside of town.  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 7:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
BCAR, if that be the case, why is the KKK always graned permits. Surely they do not please the majority in many towns. |
Date: 5/22/2003 7:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
I'm proud to be a heathen. They can call us whatever they wish, its how you take that name and wear it that counts. Wear it with pride, or wear it as a sign that you are proud to be you no matter what others think, as long as you don't let it get you down you win. I too would gladly sign a petition asking for the day to be allowed, how on earth is fingerpainting a way to harm children? They think the paint is gonna be poisoned or something?  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 7:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Bcar it is not my gathering I do not live in that area. And I was not saying that King caspian was being derogitory I was talking about space case. |
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Date: 5/22/2003 7:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Also why should we take our festivals elsewhere we do not ask them to take there church functions and racist rallies elsewhere. America used to be a free country but I am not so sure anymore. I think it is only free to those ppl whom do not apose the "majority". Or for those who cannot buy there way into their freedom. We have just as much right to our beleifs and our ceremonies and our festivals as anyone else in this country. I think this place being debated should definitely elect a new councilman. |
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Date: 5/22/2003 8:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
GG I was simply thanking you for the definition due to the way I have always used it...and for the record, I have never thought of a pagan as a heathen...just my crazy runts...and if I had a problem with it, then I wouldn't have offered you the info about May Day...and I was serious about that, as it sound almost like what you guys desire of the gathering. There is no reason it shouldn't be a community/cultural experience... |
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Date: 5/22/2003 8:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
http://www.sexton.com/eeyores/02/index.html |
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Date: 5/22/2003 9:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Disguising Pagan Pride Day as something else just kinda defeats the whole purpose and I did not mean to insult you I was just stating that you were using it derogatively. That is all. Do not mean for anyone to feel attacked. That was not the point. All but that stupid councilman that is. |
Date: 5/22/2003 9:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
o.k......that is wrong. You know that scene in the Ya-Ya Sisterhood, where Sanda Bullock bangs the phone in frustration? Yeh, I kinda feel like that right now. What the MAJORITY wants? MAJORITY???? Who's freakn' MAJORITY?? Who decided the Great and Wonderful Councilman Glenn Ross speaks for the MAJORITY??? KKK could get a permit....Neo-Nazi's can get a permit, the freakn' Christian Groups can get a permit, but Pagans? Oh, God Forbid....maybe some really DO wish they could gather a little firewood....ah, nevermind. We have a legal right to assemble. This is IGNORANCE!!!!!! *puff* *puff* sorry, this frosts my oreos.  |
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Date: 5/22/2003 9:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
GothGirl, thank you for bringing this to our attention!!!!!! You know what this is???? Religious Persecution! Discrimination! sorry, getting mad again...... |
Date: 5/22/2003 11:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
why do they link paganism with devil worshipping? i love feeble minded people, they are the easiest to poke fun at  |
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Date: 5/23/2003 12:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
ignorance,JestR, same mentality that thinks Jews eat Christian Babies....*eye roll* |
Date: 5/23/2003 5:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 51463
definite ignorance, I mean if groups that commit hate crimes can assemble and ralley in the streets then why can't a group of people that aren't trying to send out racial propoganda organize something. I'm quite sure that you're not going out and putting guns to people's heads forcing them to give up their beliefs! I mean, if Christians can have Christmas Parties and Jewish people can hang menoras' (sorry if it's spelled wrong)in their window to show their faith then why can't a group of people get together in a peaceful way to show theirs? =-bootz-=  |
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Date: 5/23/2003 7:39:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Well I am so glad to see that there is not as much ignorance here at USM. Sometimes it starts to seem that way because a few ppl show theres limitlessly. Thank you all for your replies!! I am sure if these ppl could see this they would be very happy to see that Councilman Glenn Ross Is not the majority of anything. LOL except maybe his imaginery friends LOL. Ignorance I hate it!! Blessed be all!! May the goddess (or god) be with you. |
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Date: 5/23/2003 8:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
Goth Girl, could you do a little checking on something. I pulled up the Great Falls, Montana website, and there is no Glenn Ross listed on the Council there. I believe this may actually be Great Falls, South Carolina. If we can find out where it is, and which newspapaer is carrying the coverage of this, then we can bombard the paper and possibly the council with letters of support for these people. I can find no web listing for the South Carolina Great Falls, so I am not sure if this is the right city or not. In all, there are 4 Great Falls listed on the net. |
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Date: 5/23/2003 8:42:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Sure warriior spirit. Will do!! I will put it here when I find it k. |
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Date: 5/23/2003 9:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
It is South Carolina. It is in Chester county. |
Date: 5/23/2003 9:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 61999
Why can't they just let those who want to go, go, and those that don't want to, don't? LIVE AND LET LIVE! I have a hard time dealing with this world; I think I'll go take a dive off the pier now... ~~The Mighty DreamGyrl, who is working at the pier today anyway.~~  |
| Date: 5/23/2003 12:51:00 PM From Authorid: 58681 He does seem to me to be a very intolerant man, and I'm sure his God would be equally appalled at such ignorance. Well his statement about 'standing up for what is right' is equally true for everyone, including the pagans. Cheers. |
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Date: 5/23/2003 2:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 1799
i'm definitely standing up for this now. and BCAR, i agree with it is just another turned down thing, but the thing is that this is something that was turned down for the sole purpose of it being different, for being "not popular". i don't see why we should let ppl walk all over us. |
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Date: 5/23/2003 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
OK, I found an updated article on this. The Pagan Day festival is one of many that will happen during September. This one is part of the Charlotte Metro area. It was on the agenda for the last coucil meeting, although the article did not say what the outcome of that meeting was. I found the website for Great Falls, and it has not been updated in two years. I have an e-mail address for the Town Hall, but because the website has not been updated, I am not sure if the addy will work. We can all try it though, and if it does, then they will be getting e-mails from all over showing support for these people. One of the groups that is promoting this event is Witches Against Religous Discrimination, and I believe they are based in the Great Falls area. This is the address for the Town Hall; [email protected] . |
Date: 5/23/2003 6:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Warrior Spirit, I am a member of W.A.R.D. (Witches Against Religious Discrimination). Child Of Kali is the Rep for her state. You bet some emails are going out! Thank you, everyone....and GothGirl, I know what you mean...... |
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Date: 5/23/2003 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 54707
That gets me SOOOOOO mad. We can't get togather and have festivals that are ment to inform others of what we truely are, but all of the ahte groups always have rallies. And im sure that if they wanted to have a festival and gather the fire wood for you know what they would have absloutely NO problem getting a permit for doing so. -AcidStorm  |
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Date: 5/23/2003 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 54707
oh, and when i said "They" i ment no derogitory (sp?) remark, i just ment the group of indivduals that are denying the festival. -AcidStorm |
Date: 5/23/2003 11:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 55255
why cant we be friends why cant wee be friends....  |
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Date: 5/24/2003 8:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 1799
ooo.. W.A.R.D. sounds interesting. is there a way to join? |
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Date: 5/24/2003 11:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
thank you for asking, the address is: http://www.ward-hq.org/ It is free to join, but you must be 18 years of age. |
Date: 5/25/2003 6:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 29806
"The God we serve?" What does THAT mean? This does not serve a god. It serves Americans! And that means Americans of all religions! This isn't the dark ages, it's about time EVERYONE got equal treatment. Warriorspirit is right, if the KKK whose motto is, "kill everyone who ain't white," can have their "pride marches;" then why can't a religion who's motto is "do what thou will but harm me none" have their own festival? Some hidden agenda to get your children? What is that? What would our hidden agenda be? Oh no! They might teach our children tolerance and read Harry Potter!! I don't know about other pagans, but I'd be willing to burn for my beliefs, and if Councilman Glenn Ross doesn't like it, then he can go back to living in his Millenium Bunker with his Bible and M-16 and leave us alone. We are also AMERICANS after all. -ID-  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 6:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 29806
I have sent the following letter to Great Falls' town hall, I highly recommend that everyone else do the same. -ID- |
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Date: 5/25/2003 6:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 29806
It was brought to my attention that the following statement was made by Councilman Glenn Ross concerning a festival Pagan Day that was to take place in your town: Dear Editor: I have heard enough about the Pagan Pride Day, which Ms. Wynn and her pagan director, Carla Smith, wish to sponsor in Great Falls in the month of September. There is nothing that Ms. Smith or Ms. Wynn can write which would lead me to believe this is a positive thing for our community. Just look up the word pagan in the dictionary and it defines and explains all that needs to be said. I am overly concerned that this organization thinks they will gain access to our children through a hidden agenda centered around storytelling, finger painting, and the Good Knights Safety Program. The people of this community just do not want anything to do with this event and it should not be forced on them. Councilman says no to pagan day Dear Editor: So, Ms. Smith and Ms. Wynn, you can tell your organization and whatever god you serve, wherever he might be, that we are going to fight anything that goes against the God we serve and tell them Councilman Glenn Ross sent you with this message and it is non-negotiable. I also ask that all those who agree with me come by Town Hall and sign a petition to override this event. Stand up and be counted in this matter. A wise woman once told me that you must stand up for what is right even if you are the only one standing. Well, I am standing and I do not believe I am alone. Proudly serving you, Councilman Glenn Ross Great Falls In this country, we are entitled to the following freedom: the freedom of religion. It is in the constitution and cannot be amended; Churches and Temples are allowed to have picnics, fundraisers and festivals, then is it not also our right to do the same? Speaking on behalf for all Pagans in this country and abroad, it is a disgrace and a dishonor to our beliefs that while the Klu Klux Klan can parade through city streets, spreading their message of hate; we are not even allowed to have our own festival that has no message of intolerance or bigotry behind it. When a man or woman is sworn into office to serve a district or city, they must put personal beliefs aside and allow all forms of expression that are within the law. Councilman Gless Ross has failed to do just that. It is my recommendation that for the sake of the reputation of your town, that he is censured for his acts of intolerance before he can cause more harm. If not, then myself and other pagans who have heard of this atrocity shall make it understood to the that Great Falls, South Carolina, is a town that allows outdated imperialistic religious persecution. We shall do all that we can to cause this act to make headlines across the country. All that I ask is that Councilman Glenn Ross make a public apology or step down from his office. This is only the beginning I can assure you, there will be many other people sending you emails and letters of the same nature. -Aaron Premo |
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Date: 5/25/2003 6:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 29806
Of course, the email was formatted into Nifty little paragraphs, lol. -ID- |
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Date: 5/25/2003 2:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 20069
Perhaps the letter should be sent back to the editor..only a little re-worded.. Dear Editor: I have heard enough about the Christian Pride Day (or some 'holiday' in which some popular religion celebrates in that town), which Glenn Ross and his christian director, blah blah, wish to sponsor in Great Falls in the month of September. There is nothing that Gleen ross can write which would lead me to believe this is a positive thing for our community. Just look up the word christian in the dictionary and it defines and explains all that needs to be said. I am overly concerned that this organization thinks they will gain access to our children through a hidden agenda centered around storytelling, finger painting, and the Good Knights Safety Program. The people of this community just do not want anything to do with this event and it should not be forced on them. So, Glenn Ross, you can tell your organization and whatever god you serve, wherever he might be, that we are going to fight anything that goes against the God we serve and tell them Councilman Ms. Wynn sent you with this message and it is non-negotiable. I also ask that all those who agree with me come by Town Hall and sign a petition to override this event. Stand up and be counted in this matter. A wise woman once told me that you must stand up for what is right even if you are the only one standing. Well, I am standing and I do not believe I am alone. Proudly serving you, Ms. Wynn  |
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Date: 5/25/2003 6:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 29806
Good idea Sparklez. -ID- |
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Date: 5/25/2003 8:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
I know that I sent out an email today. Did anyone else. I was a little nervous doing it. This si the first time I have felt strongly enough about something to take a stand but when it comes to someone slandering my beliefs or anyones beliefs it angers me. Just like ignorance. LOL Thanx again everyone for your replies adn for showing your suport for the pagans in the Great Falls area. I did it because I think someone would have the kindness in their hearts to do the same if this type of injustice happened in my own area. I would take the stand that is for sure. Thank you all again for your replies. BB |
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Date: 5/25/2003 9:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Bravo!!!!!!!!!! I sent my email too.....this is great! Remember, we must defend EVERYONE's religious rights, otherwise, who WILL they come after next. (the "they" being the very type of people mentioned in this post.) Go Gothgirl, you have helped to awaken a LOT of people to an injustice! |
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Date: 5/26/2003 8:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
I have also e-mailed. "Dear Editor, it has been brought to my attention that a statement has been made by a certain Councilman Glenn Ross concerning a festival Pagan Day that was to take place in your town. With regards to said statement, and the aforementioned Councilman, I would like to point out that although it is the responsibility of all people to be aware of any danger to children, doing so to the point of religious intolerance creates a negative atmosphere, one which could have detrimental effects upon your fair town. This blatant predjudice and persecution of people who simply wish to celebrate thier faith, much as any Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Bhuddist, or member of any other faith would wish to, is a mark of the Councilman's failure to put personal beliefs aside, as a sworn official should. Speaking as a representative of the UK's Pagan population, and to support those others of our beliefs within the US, I have been asked to voice our concerns vis a vis Councilman Glenn's outrageous verbal assault, and to request that the Councilman make some form of recompense, most favourably in the form of a public apology. Yours in concern, Halondiyr Morbannaon, UK." |
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Date: 5/27/2003 12:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
*quiet moment* excellent Tantris.....there is a lot of thought & feeling going into these emails. What a wonderful thing you have started here, GothGirl.....)O( |
Date: 6/1/2003 1:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 62095
shouldnt it be his choice to petition or not? by saying that he doesnt have the right to voice up against something he doesnt believe in, is to be ignorant yourselves. all to often people get freedom twisted, what is freedom? is it your right to live and work and exsist with your beliefs protected? sure it is, but isnt it also the right to stand against what you FEEL is wrong? sure it is. that is why you all are upset right now, So isnt it that councilmembers right to do the same thing? to band together with others that feel the same way? just as you are doing?  |
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Date: 6/3/2003 10:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Let me point out, as a "Free American" citizen, yes, by all means, he should speak hi mind. As an elected offical, for him to ABUSE his power to block something he doesn't believe in, THAT is wrong. |
Date: 6/12/2003 4:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 57105
Ok, I am a Christian. But I do partly agree with you. I may not exactly agree with your religion or beliefs, but everyone has the freedom of religion. You should be able to worship freely. Of course many people would be upset if it was a full blown celebration in the streets, because reality is that most people are Christian, Jewish, or Muslim would not be comfortable in that kind of situation. But still, Pagans do have the freedom of religion in this country, and should be able to worship however they wish. I don't know the whole story behind this event, but I do agree that Pagans should have the freedom of religion, just like every other religion does in this country. That is the point of the bill of rights. To give everyone person the same opportunities and freedoms. -fantasy/reality  |
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