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Date: 5/8/2003 3:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 31707
I respect you. i feel the same way, i get critized because I am not a christian, it was my choice after YEARS of catholic school to not believe and not attend church and I have been punished by "friends" and "family" ever since  |
Date: 5/8/2003 3:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
I used to be catholic too. Ironic. LOL BB  |
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Date: 5/8/2003 3:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 31707
did you goto catholic school and catechism? |
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Date: 5/8/2003 3:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Nope. I was spared that LOL. My dad was in the army. |
Date: 5/8/2003 3:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 19772
I say to each their own. Don't push your beliefs on me and I won't push mine on you. That's why I tend to stay out of religious debates and what not. If you're comfortable in your religion why can't you just be happy and leave me alone? lol The worst are those people who go door to door and try to shove their religion down your throat. *sigh* But yeah anyway, good post and I agree. ~Gabrielle~  |
Date: 5/8/2003 4:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 48689
Ok, well, if you really want to spend eternity burning, knock yourself out. Oh, and be careful when you use the a lot of Christian people phrase. We are going to Heaven to spend eternity with God and all his fine treasure. WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO BURN FOR ETERNITY!  |
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Date: 5/8/2003 4:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 31707
Jenna, I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic in your comments. I do believe what we mean is what is wicca and pagan were the primary religions, and christians were being burned for their beliefs, would you burn? |
Date: 5/8/2003 4:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
Jenn hun a lot of christians do the same thing directed our way, "those wiccans" "those evil satan worshipers" (when we don't even believe in satan, oh the irony) so it's like everybody does that, but it's like i don't like anyone telling me i HAVE to do this or i'll be punished eternally  |
Date: 5/8/2003 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 12835
Lets hope that no one in the world has to suffer because of their beliefs any more. Let this be our asperations and goals, to respect and appreciate each other as Human Beings, deserving of these things, each and everyone of us, regardless of Religion, race, sexual preference, and the list goes on....  |
Date: 5/8/2003 4:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 28363
Why just single out christians? It was Mohhamed (sp) who conquered Mecca replacing the earth goddess religion of the times with Islam. Do what you want (respectfully) but when you find yourself ensnared by the clutches of an evil entity, then i hope find a charm in your religion to help you escape that. Best Wishes  |
Date: 5/8/2003 4:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 8278
I am a christian and I believe everyone is entitled to their own oppionion. I will tell you my beliefs and i will try to get you to understand them. but if someone is dedicated to their own choice of religion, then it is out of my hands. i will tell you what i believe, then it is up to you to choose and believe what you want. i would never push or force my religion onto someone. i will, however, talk freely about it.  |
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Date: 5/8/2003 4:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
I am not singling out anyone. |
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Date: 5/8/2003 4:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Cage my post is about if the religions traded places not about whether you should or shouldn't tell someone about your beleifs. What I am saying is what if you did not have the luxury of stating your beleifs so freely. What is you were the one getting attacked for beleiving in Jesus and that there is one god. What if everyone was telling you u were wrong and that your were going to suffer for it in the end or sooner. That is what the post is about. I think you have every right to say your peice about your religious beleifs but many do not give us the same respect. |
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Date: 5/8/2003 5:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 8278
i do see where you are coming from. i have had people tell me how wrong my religion is. but it is not nearly as bed as pagens and wiccans. i believe everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe. i know what you mean because i have seen people say "pagens/ wiccans worship the devil" so i know you all get a bad rap. i don't believe in what you believe in, but i totally respect your right to believe it. like i said, i am a christian, but my sister has books about the wiccan religion etc. i am not going to follow her around telling her how wrong she is and she is going to burn in hell...even if that is what i believe. i will tell her how i feel and explain why i feel that way, but i respect her right, after i tell her, to choose what she wants. |
Date: 5/8/2003 5:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Actually most Christians are willing to die for their beliefs, and many have.  |
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Date: 5/8/2003 5:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
So why is it so hard for some christians to neleive that we feel the same way about ours. And would be "willing to burn" for them. |
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Date: 5/8/2003 5:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
I dont find it hard to believe at all Gothgirl..I can totally understand it actually..Faith can be an amazing thing..If you truly believe, NOTHING is going to change that belief. |
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Date: 5/8/2003 5:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Well so far it has been a pleasant debate. Thank you all and please keep the debate going. BB |
Date: 5/8/2003 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
There are pagans and there are people who practice witchcraft. They are not the same. They are very different. Pagans believe in honoring God through nature, very much like the Native Americans. Witchcraft is a belief that you can manipulate people and events to create a particular outcome. Pagans, to me, are closer to God than any other religion.  |
Date: 5/8/2003 8:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 30647
Hello. Good post. Yeah, I am a Christian, and I would die for my belief too and I do understand that people of many other religions and beliefs would die for theirs too. I respect you for having a lot of faith in your religion.  |
Date: 5/8/2003 8:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Wow Koolade your tag always makes me SO thirsty...mmm...anyways, the last thing Pagans want to do ina debate is use the 'ole "We don't even believe in satan!" For the hundreth time, it doesn't matter what YOU beleive in the REALITY is he is real. You can believe all you want that water isn't wet but when you jump in you will find out. And yes I would die for my religion and join my Lord in Heaven. Your comment about "why we can't believe you would be willing to burn also" shouldn't be hard for others to believe, not to draw contrasts but terrorists believe so strongly in their religion that they blow themeselves up.  |
Date: 5/8/2003 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 54111
Goth Girl, Christians understand a lot more than you know We ain't telling you have to convert. You have a choice. When a post like these pop up of course Christians are going to comment. You say basically you don't want to hear what we got to say but you continue to make these posts. Why is that? Pagans are more closer to their GOD. But are they closer Jesus? I don't disrespect anyone .You say you are willing to burn. Well that is a option but their is better choice. Goth Girl, most christians I know treat everyone in the same respect. I can tell you I don't hate anyone. When I come here, its the other way around. When any christian here comment about Jesus. Watch out. I start seeing words like "BLIND FAITH" "BIBLE THUMPERS" etc. You right in order to get respect you have to give it. I see more peopele give advice but rather use it themselves. Let me understand your terminolgy though, are you saying we believe in Jesus, because its the most popular No that is wrong You have to experience the spirit for yourself before you can consider yourself follower of Jesus. From the way I been seeing things lately if the tables were turned maybe a lot of people here would agree with me, instead of trying to disprove my beliefs or bash it.  |
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Date: 5/8/2003 9:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
Accept responsibilty for your own actions. Don't seek forgiveness from your deity - seek it from those you hurt. The Devil didn't make you do it. You did. Religion is moot to me, but life has a way of coming back and kicking butt.  |
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Date: 5/9/2003 7:03:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
So now VD you are claiming that everyone who does not beleive in the Christian god terrorists? That is rediculous. |
Date: 5/9/2003 8:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 57404
I'm willing to die for my God. :-) Many have in the past. I think every religion no matter if it follows the Christian God, or any other God or Goddess, it has been bashed and the people have been attacked over it. If the tables were turned, and wicca etc was the more popular belief... would I burn for my belief in God? Yes I would! Because just as you believe completely in your religion, I believe just as strongly in mine. Not all Christians will bash and shove their belief's down someones throat. I don't. I see nothing wrong with anyones beliefs. I feel that if you believe in something so deeply, and it makes you happy.. and you continue to be a good person, care for every living thing, harm no one etc.. then how in the world can that be bad? lol Just my two cents.. God Bless  |
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Date: 5/9/2003 8:53:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Thank you Cherokee wolf there are ppl who could take lessons from you. Thank you!! BB |
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Date: 5/9/2003 10:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
Well I'm not willing to burn for mine LOL. People may wanna burn me and I may have no choice, but it's not something I'm willing to do. And I don't think any God would want that either. |
Date: 5/9/2003 10:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 30051
I myself am a Christain. I do not judge other people.I do not think my way is THE only way. I just choose to love Jesus. I do not see where wiccans/pagans are "attacked" today. Maybe back in the day. Sure they used to burn witches and such. ALL religions have been"attacked" in one point in time. There are people out there who DO stereo type people based on there beliefs. That doesn't mean it only happens to wiccna/pagans. It happens to me,you and Sally next door. That's just life. Alot of Humans are cruel judgmental animals. We just need to learn to turn our ears and hearts off to people that are like this. That's all I have for now. Take what you want and leave the rest  |
Date: 5/9/2003 11:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 39949
Martyrs are people that died for their religon. Jesus Freaks by D.C. Talk is a book that changed my opinion about Martyrs. Here is a quote by John Huss from 1415, right before he died....."O loving Christ,draw me,a weakling,after yourself;for if you do not draw me i cannot follow you.Give me a brave spirit that i may be ready and alert.If the flesh is weak, may your grace go before me, come alongside me, and follow me; for without you i cannot do anything, and especially for your sake i cannot go to a cruel death.Grant me a ready spirit,a fearless heart,a right faith,a firm hope,and a perfect love,that for your sake i may lay down my life with patience and joy.".......god bless.  |
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Date: 5/9/2003 2:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
The suicide bombers felt the same way. |
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Date: 5/9/2003 2:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
You ppl r comparing ppl to terrorists and that is just plain RUDE!! You know the difference and you just want this to happen. STOP!! |
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Date: 5/9/2003 2:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Goth Girl as much as I admire you I have to say that anyone who is willing to die for their beliefs is the same as a martyi in any other religiion. There are muslim martyrs and Christian martyrs and perhaps pagan martyrs (I haven't heard of pagan martyrs or buddhist martyrs). No one should be willing to give up their life for a belief. Your children yes... but not a belief. |
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Date: 5/9/2003 2:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
The point is that some ppl like to tell nonchristians that they r going to burn for all eternity for not following what they beleive is the truth. What I am saying is you know what I am willing to take the chance on it. |
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Date: 5/10/2003 10:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 30647
Goth Girl, nobody is comparing people to terrorists. They're just saying that even terrorists do that. They're saying that many people do that. But I under stand your main point about how you're saying many Christians don't think that other religions would die for their religion. Also, I read many people say things like, for example, if Wiccan was the major religion, but then, if it was a major religion why would you get burned if it's wiht the majority? That's my question. Also, I don't know if it's because I go to different school that other schools, but there are more Wiccans at my school than Christians. I just wanted to say that. |
Date: 5/10/2003 10:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 29806
Blessed Be GothGirl. -ID-  |
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Date: 5/10/2003 12:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Goth Girl: "not to draw contrasts but terrorists believe so strongly in their religion that they blow themeselves up", read it before you tell me what I said. Not to draw contrasts, I was not saying anyone who dies is a terrorist, rather they die for "their god" every day, so it should not be hard for Christians to believe that other people can die for their god. Wow, your so hasty and yet you say you only want to be nice to everyone. |
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Date: 5/10/2003 1:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Gothgirl you didn't mention Christians saying you'll burn in hell. So I assumed that you meant you would willing be burned for your beliefs. You need to make yourself clearer. |
Date: 5/10/2003 6:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 52140
1st, yes, I would stand strong and be willing to burn for my religion. Like I said in my post, if you live a certain way, expect to get burned. There are people who will never accept other's lifestyle, they might accept the person, but not the lifestyle and there is a big difference. Also, there was a time in history when thousands of Christians were killed because they refused to go to the old Roman religions. And there were thousands of Christians killed in the inquition, reign of terror in france, and the one thing in england around the time of the civil war between parliament and the crown (I cant remember what its called), but there were Christians murdered, killed, tortured, jailed, all because they refused to conform to another religion that they did not believe to be the truth. About the respect thing, I've seen alot of people on USM who don't respect Christians (and Im not talking about just to me), so its not all the Christians' fault.  |
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Date: 5/10/2003 6:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 52140
about my getting burned for living a certain lifestyle, I was refering to Christians, Jews, Pagans, Wiccans, Homosexuals, Hispanics, Blacks, anyone who get burned for what they are. |
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Date: 5/10/2003 6:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
JF, and a lot of middle easterners killed in the crusades, |
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Date: 5/10/2003 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
excuse me got killed, though they did kill back |
Date: 5/10/2003 10:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 15319
"Ok, well, if you really want to spend eternity burning, knock yourself out." Jenna, can you possibly show me once single piece of extra-Biblical evidence to support your claim that Goth Girl will be 'spending eternity burning'? "Oh, and be careful when you use the a lot of Christian people phrase. We are going to Heaven to spend eternity with God and all his fine treasure." With an intolerant attitude like yours? I wouldn't bank on it. "WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO BURN FOR ETERNITY!" And WE can't understand why ignorance abounds these days.  |
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Date: 5/11/2003 9:31:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
You go dark angel. I agree with you. |
Date: 5/11/2003 9:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Vitaldeath - satan isn't real its just your escape goat to put the blame on when something goes wrong and you dont feel like being accountable for it.  |
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Date: 5/11/2003 9:51:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
So true 62118!! So true!! BB |
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Date: 5/11/2003 6:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
62118, you couldn't be more wrong. I had to face ALL my sins and be accountable for them ALL when coming to my saving faith in Christ. Understanding that I sin ALL the time and confessing them, NOTHING of that relates to satan. I know I am a sinful human and that is my nature, and I confronted that with Jesus. You couldn't be more wrong. I just can't believe people like you and Goth Girl rant on about it like you know about it. And goth, don't tell me you do know about it because you were catholic, if you understood it you would of never converted. |
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Date: 5/11/2003 6:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Dark Angel: Don't be so quick to judge, Jenna knows what she believs and stands firm in them, DO NOT critisize her and tell her she is NOT going to heaven because of it, THAT is ignorance. And ignorance is a loose term thrown around on USM freely by somebody trying to degrade someone else, nothing about what she said was ignorant. |
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Date: 5/11/2003 7:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Yes I did understand VD. I understood my religion all too well. And I also realized it was not at all what I beleived in. DO NOT presume to know that I know NOTHING because I know and understand more than u will ever realize. I have been thru trials and tribulations in my life and thru it all I have always known in my heart that there was something more. I did research and found what I had been searching for. IN WICCA. VD you should never presume you know everything about someone that you have never met and would not know if you passed them on the street. I could pass you on the street and you would never know it. I do not presume to know you or what is in your heart so never presume you know what is in mine. You could not ever begin to understand how complicated and yet how simple it is. It is not that we do not beleive in God it is more complicated than that. And until you open your mind you will never understand it. Thank you and Goddess (or God) Bless and Blessed Be!! |
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Date: 5/11/2003 7:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 54111
Now satan is a escape goat for christians. He laughs. Satan is a fallen angel. Just like Satan had a option to follow God, so does the fellow man. If a Christian sins that sin falls on them not Satan. They have to ask God for forgiveness of that sin. Vital Death, I agree with you. And Who says a Wiccan is a bad person, A christian is going by Jesus' Word. You don't have to be bad person to be against Jesus. You can be the happiest and greastest person alive but that doesn't qualify you to the kingdom of heaven. As I said before we all have choices. |
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Date: 5/11/2003 8:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Well Bigdaddi9 I do not beleive in heaven either so I guess there is no problem there. I also beleive that what ever you put into the universe you get back threefold in this life not in death or in the next life and yes I beleive in reincarnation. I beleive if you put good into the universe then you will get good threefold and if you put evil into the universe then you get evil back threefold. Thank you!! BB |
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Date: 5/11/2003 9:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Goth Girl, first of all me knowing you personally has nothing to do with it, I know what you have put on this site, that is what you have allowed me to know about you. I can not understand you religion until I "open my mind"? If thier was "something" more at ANY point in your tribulations it was still Jesus Christ waiting for you to turn to Him, you believe your hole is filled with Wicca, and if you are "content" with that then go on, I can see I would only waste words trying to speak to you and try to make you understand my relationship. And for the LAST time, you not believing in heaven has NOTHING to do with it being there or not. Just like you saying you can't go somewhere you don't believe in I will use the SAME comparison, you can believe that water is not wet all you want but until you jump in and feel you wont know. So you not believing in hell has nothing to do with its existance. As for reincarnation, who determines what is good or not? How do YOU know what is good or not? Being a good person to whose standards? |
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Date: 5/11/2003 10:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 15319
Vital, stating that Goth Girl is going to burn for eternity for her beliefs is IGNORANCE in the highest. That girl knows no more about Goth Girls afterlife fate than I do. |
Date: 5/11/2003 11:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 62066
Good point. Not saying you said this, but you do know that being a Pagan does not just mean you're Wiccan. Paganism is any religion that worships more than one god. OK?  |
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Date: 5/12/2003 1:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Vital death and big daddy you're both wrong, believing in satan does make him exist. Big daddy you're showing your ignorance, many christians blame satan for the bad stuff in the world. |
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Date: 5/12/2003 2:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
*doesnt |
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Date: 5/12/2003 6:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 51979
No Dark Angel stating that in accordance with her beliefs is stating her beliefs. She knows her religion to be true, therefore because Goth Girl does not believe in Jesus Christ and is openly defying Him, therefore to her she will burn. 62066, yes I do that is why they claim paganism has been around so long yet paganism has no firm beliefs except worship your god/godess. 62188, you have no idea how pointless it would be to debate with you, twice you have said the same thing, basically saying "Nuh uh!", well unless you say anything relevant to me I am not furthering that debate. |
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Date: 5/12/2003 7:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
You're right it would be pointless because its just your faith that says satan exists. |
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Date: 5/12/2003 8:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 54111
Well Rod , now I am ignorant, because "MANY" christians blame Satan for their own problems. I will admit Satan and his fallen angels can be a influence, but overall,I believe the sin will fall on that person. Its to that person not to allow Satan to influence them and stay prayed up in Jesus. But lol, As Goth Girl said you will never understand it until you open your mind. |
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Date: 5/12/2003 2:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
now ya'll we can't say that satan doesn't exist, for christians satan does exist, just because we don't believe in satan per say, we do believe in malevolent creatures, of course they're not all bad i know that and ya'll know that (oh and of course not all of you believe in the other christians i was making a slight generalization) and you know there are a lot of things that you believe in that other people don't, that doesn't make it any less real, it just means that you believe in something someone else doesn't |
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Date: 5/12/2003 3:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
you r right moon storm I do not beleive in satan but I do beleive in malevalent creatures. But I do not beleive in hell and I do not beleive in heaven. And VD it is a waste of word to try to turn me into a christian. I am not a christian. I never was even when I was catholic I was not christian in my heart. And I did not say he did not exist Jesus did exist. I do beleive the man existed but that is as far as it goes. Blessed be!! |
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Date: 5/12/2003 4:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
I would also like to say VD that we are the ones who have to consider the consequences of our actions. Wicca is a religion of self responsibility. We have to take responsibility for our actions not blame it on someone else or leave it to someone else to decide whether it is good or bad. You know when something you r doing is wrong and if you do it then you have to take responsibility for it. Like say for instance I wanted to slap you in my gut I know that is the wrong respnse so if I still do it then that is putting evil into the universe and I will get it back threefold and if I decide to follow my judgement and not slap you then I will get nothing in return. But if I decide to ignore it and love you anyway because you are a fellow human being then that is good and I will receive good threefold. |
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Date: 5/12/2003 4:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
hitting is bad i usually get a lot of negative actions afterwards, but of course i've often thought if my hitting them is that persons negative karma then it won't happen unless i hit them, and then i get the bad karma, so i think that karma follows the law of conservation of energy, it cannot be created nor destroyed only transferred |
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Date: 5/12/2003 4:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
That is a very good point moon storm. Never thought of it that way.LOL BB |
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Date: 5/12/2003 5:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
well it's kinda weird, we picture magic and everything as energy, so it only makes sense that it act as any other energy, |
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Date: 5/12/2003 9:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
The problem with that theology Goth Girl is that you still thought it. Your emotions still told you to do it, therefore your initial repsonse is the same. To christians what we do on the outside is meaningless, to what we ARE on the inside. You could be the biggest pretender and fool everyone into believing you are a good person, yet inside hate the world, does that make you a good person? To christians change is on the INSIDE, it matters not what actions we take, it is what we feel that tells us who we are. |
Date: 5/12/2003 10:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
wow! Gothgirl, most excellent post....looks like you have done an excellent job trying to enlighten a few people. I wish SOME could understand, we DON'T believe in Satan. We CANNOT worship, or serve a being, a myth, in whom we do not believe! Just saying he is real, DOES NOT MAKE HIM REAL. Just because your particular religious text says something, males it real to you, but that is a "belief". And, there is a BIG difference between a belief, and "knowing". What do I know? There are "inhuman" spirits. I have dispelled them using Christian prayers, in the "Name of Jesus". I have also dispelled them using "Wiccan" petitions. I have seen things as a Christian. I have also seen them as a non-Christian. Those of us, who were at one time believers in the Christian faith, and now are no longer, that does not mean we "never knew the Lord", or that "Satan is controlling us now". It means we have seen a new & different side of God(dess). Or, maybe, have decided there is no God at all, like a dear friend on this site. We are arrogant when we believe we have all the answers & we do a dis-service when we fit the Great Spirit, The Creator, The Great "I AM", The Lady & The Lord.....et all, into a narrow definition of what "God" should be. We will all find out in the end. That is the great truth! Good post, Gothgirl, ~Blessed Be~  |
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Date: 5/13/2003 12:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Bigdaddy - I need to open my mind? many christians have their minds closed shut. You said christians dont blame satan, but many do blame him for the evil in the world, they may aswell blame the boogy man |
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Date: 5/13/2003 12:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
The point is we DO get attacked everyday, right here at usm. where you been? You CANT sit and tell me you dont see it?were always being told WERE WRONG. Hence posts like this one. Dark Angel:: CAN YOU show us one shread of proof that what God tells us about hell isnt real? Come on, if you cant, ,why not? Yes, Goth girl, you say its more than that, that you dont believe in heaven, or hell, and that you will burn for what you do believe in. But I agree with big dad, WHY do you keep making these types of posts IF YOU dont want to hear the christian point of view about it? AND ROD < NOT believing doesnt make HIM< aka SATAN NOT exsist, now does it?? OH *sigh* another christian bashing post, dont know why I keep coming to them.  |
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Date: 5/13/2003 12:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
Firstborn - Believeing in satan doesnt make him exist either |
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Date: 5/13/2003 1:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
I dont see how this is bashing christians, some christians here are saying more than their opinions, like satan does it its reality and if you dont believe it you're wrong, thats only their faith and opinions. Firstborn I dont see why you're complaining that christians are being hold they're wrong when they're doing the exact same things. |
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Date: 5/13/2003 8:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Not complaining, JUST stating the facts to HER complaint. |
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Date: 5/13/2003 12:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 57404
okay, when I said Die for God, I didn't mean bombing or killing people when I go. I meant as far as burning for what I believe in, being killed for what I believe in. If someone put a gun to my head and said, "Do you still believe in your God?" My answer would still be yes. There is a lotta post and haven't read them all.. so if someone already cleared the terrorist thing up.. my bad. LOL God Bless |
Date: 5/13/2003 12:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
GG..I know a lot of atheist who do not understand how strongly you feel about your belief. It's not just believers in God who state that they do not believe in Paganism nor Wiccan. As for, Would I burn for my belief? No..God saves us from having to suffer eternal torment. I am positive that if someone killed me because I claimed to be a Christian, that God will save me from an eternal torment.  |
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Date: 5/13/2003 4:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Thanx LSG!! I doubt many were enlightened if any. But thanx for your support!! BB |
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Date: 5/13/2003 4:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
First off FB Nice to have you join us. I would like to say to you that I in no way have said you r wrong. I think you need to read the post again. I am saying just for a moment you need to step back and look at the situation. What if Wicca and Paganism were the dominant religions and you got attacked for your beleifs. You can claim you get attacked all you want but a dog does not bite unless beaten or prvoked. And I do not mean beaten as in defeated I mean beaten as in striking the dog. And I would also Like to say that I am not complaining I am debating. |
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Date: 5/13/2003 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 54111
Amen Rusure Amen. Gothgirl What I, as a Christian, don't understand is why all the post about us? You don't believe the way we do. But you continue to focus on Christianity. "Willing to Burn" in order to do that one has to believe in Hell does he not? You don't believe in God's judgement. So why are you so worried about what Christians have to say? and please don't say you don't because obviously something is keeping your focus on Christians. When one is being provoked as you say, don't a person have choice to turn around and ignore them? I am just trying to understand this. |
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Date: 5/13/2003 10:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Goth Girl could you please answer my question about your theology on that topic? It would very much help me to understand your point of view. One of my main problems with Wicca and the like is what do you go by? I do not understand how you come up with your values, "good" is in the eye of the beholder, who's eye are you looking through? |
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Date: 5/14/2003 7:49:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
I did answer your question but I will state it again even tho you have no intention on understanding any of it. "I would also like to say VD that we are the ones who have to consider the consequences of our actions. Wicca is a religion of self responsibility. We have to take responsibility for our actions not blame it on someone else or leave it to someone else to decide whether it is good or bad. You know when something you r doing is wrong and if you do it then you have to take responsibility for it. Like say for instance I wanted to slap you in my gut I know that is the wrong respnse so if I still do it then that is putting evil into the universe and I will get it back threefold and if I decide to follow my judgement and not slap you then I will get nothing in return. But if I decide to ignore it and love you anyway because you are a fellow human being then that is good and I will receive good threefold." |
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Date: 5/14/2003 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
That doesn't answer it, I read that, all that tells me is that you have no "higher power" convicting you, only yourselves. But, still, NOTHING tells you what is right and wrong, LIKE I said before, how would you know if doing something was bad or good. You wouldn't, and it is the INSIDE, how you feel, now what you do. |
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Date: 5/14/2003 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
And I resent your comment on me having no intention of understanding it, I am trying to be civil and have a debate where no one gets too mad, do not start convicting or degrading. |
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Date: 5/14/2003 7:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Vital Death, we do not have written Dogma, since most teachings are oral in tradition, or passed down through private "Book(s) of Shadow(s)". A Book of Shadows in a collection of spells, recipies, and notes. Now, because there is no written Dogma, per se, it is a very personalized relationship between Our Creator(s) & Ourselves. There is ONE law....."....An Ye Harm None". We also believe in the Threefold Law. What you send out, will come back to you times three. If you send love & tolerance, that shall be your reward times three. If you send out anger, that will be your reward times three. So, we are kept in balance. Now, there are "religious" Witches, who do follow doctrine of Learned Teachers. I cannot speak for them, because I am a "Solitary", and only join a Coven for Holidays, and Full Moon Circles. Also, I have only been practicing a few years, so I cannot speak for anyone besides myself. I can tell you, that in our belief system, as a universal system. There is no "Satan". There is no need for one. If you want to sincerely learn what we believe, any USM'er will be willing to help you, if asked, I am sure. If you want to know to challenge the validity of our beliefs, remember, the key word here is "beliefs". Because, ultimately, we will not know till we leave this world, right? Peace )O( |
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Date: 5/14/2003 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
Vital Death, I can turn around the question you just asked GothGirl by saying, how do you know, YOUR God is real? Or Right? Because the Bible says so? Well, the Koran tells the Muslims THEY have the correct God. We know whom we worship because of our relationship with them. You base your beliefs on prayer & a Bible. We base ours on petitions, and teachings,.........think about it. |
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Date: 5/14/2003 8:08:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61104
Thank you lady spirit guide that is what I was trying to say. I just get so flustered and frustrated. Thanx again!! You r always coming and helping me out of the corners I debate myself into thank you so much. And to you VD I would like to say that if you are trully requesting knowledge of my beleifs and would trully like to understand then yes I would be glad to give you the answers but from what I have experienced of you you really do not care to learn you just want to validate my beleifs well I do not need your validation only my own thank you and Blessed be!! |
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Date: 5/14/2003 8:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
you are more than welcome, GothGirl....O know there have been times, here in debate, when despite myself, I get so emotional & unhappy with the PERSON asking the question (not the question itself), that I reply with anger. Then others say "He/She Was/Were only asking a question......". Yeah, but what "they" DON'T know, is the question-behind-the-question. Or, more like, the-insult-and-attack-behind-an-innocent-looking-question. *smiles* It's all good. GothGirl, I think this is an excellent post. And it is not easy to say focused, when people attempt side issues.....~BB~ |
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Date: 5/14/2003 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 54111
Goth girl its a shame how you contradict yourself. By your post it sounds like you want Christians to understand you but you come out with statements "I will state it again even tho you have no intention on understanding any of it." and then another statement "I doubt many were enlightened if any" This in itself tells me you don't want understanding. I wonder how that threefold law fits into that. All of that negative energy. LOL And LSG, you say your religion is based on teachings? Well that is exactly what our is based on, the teachings of Jesus Christ. He teaches us that he is the only way. |
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Date: 5/14/2003 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
well, BigDaddi, since non-Christians do not hold the Bible to be the sacred text, in the same light you do, I would think the best way to teach your beliefs would be by "example". Jesus taught by parables & example. He was tolerant & very politically incorrect. He associated with prostitutes & theives & all manner of undesirables. He taught every life was of worth, and precious. He taught women & children were special. He also taught the religious leaders of his day were "hypocrites". He was a good & kind Rabbi. And, he died for it. Instead of "we're right-your wrong", how about an example of the love YOU feel, aimed toward your fellow man? After all, didn't Jesus teach that was the greatest commandment? When his disiples asked? |
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Date: 5/14/2003 9:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
the only negative energy I have felt here, on this post, is intolerance. There is a difference in feeling "frustration" when dealing with people who refuse to learn, and "negative" energy..... |
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Date: 5/14/2003 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Nowhere in my request posts was I aggressive or trying to tell you your religion is wrong. I am very tired of debating religion with the same people so I have come to a point where I am asking those of other beliefs what they believe. I find it more helpful to ask a person of the religion, not a site or book, because they give me an account true to life, because they live their beliefs. In saying that I would ask you not to get flustered or frusterated, this has become more of a deiscussion, I am asking you how you know what to follow, lady spirit has answered, thank you. While none "know" per se we all know in our hearts that our own religion is true. This frusterates me because while their are people suicide bombing for their religion, that takes some faith, how can I say that mine is true because I say it is, when a muslim/Buddihst/Wiccan person may say the same. I do not know. What I do know is that I will stay strong to Jesus Christ and God, because in my heart I believe He is the way. Just a comment Lady Spirit that you already know I would assume, when you say we all believe "our" God is true, in truth we are all believing in the same God. All of those relgions believe in the same God of Abraham, we all believe in the same God. I would go on but it would be useless because you have demonstarted your religious knowledge in plenty of other posts. Well with that I can only ask, are all wiccan views of the afterlife the same? Goth Girl spoke of reincarnation, but I thought Lady Spirit Guide believed in a paradise type afterlife where all good humans go. Please explain in post or pm if you could, thanks. |
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Date: 5/14/2003 10:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
By "we all" I meant Judiaism, Muslims, and Christianity, not by any means Wicca or others that may of come to mind. God Bless. |
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Date: 5/15/2003 8:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 54111
ok LSG so we should teach by example. That is cool. Well as she said lets turn it around. That statement about frustration goes both ways. And this thing about people not wanting to learn. What do you want us to learn? I didn't say you you practice black magic. I didn't say you are a bad person. In my heart and soul Jesus is the only wy. Will I hate you for it? No. Its your choice I can't make you understand my belief nor can you make me believe yours. Its all about choices. Non-believers say they get attacked by christians. My question is where at? And the "Negative Engery" LSG you see what you want. "Intolerance" is the word for that. |
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Date: 5/15/2003 6:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I do believe in reincarnation. I also believe in a paradise called "Summerland". When we die, we are reunited with all our loved ones, and our pets. We "rest", while we wait to be reborn. Now, what about the really evil people? I do not believe they go to hell......I believe they are "seperated" from the Great Light & Love than Our Creators are....in other word they choose to seperate themselves from heir loved ones, by their actions. Now, this is MY belief,.....I cannot answer for others. But, thanks for asking..... |
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