Date: 4/30/2003 3:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 58454
I believe God made us. Adam and eve, were white, but maybe god made different races of adam and eve, I don't believe in evolution it is stupid.l  |
Date: 4/30/2003 3:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Who said they were white??  |
Date: 4/30/2003 3:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I don't recall hearing that Adam and Eve were white, actually that's probably the least likely race of any. As for the overall question... I believe in the Bible. I believe God created everything we see and are. God created the Universe and Earth and everything on it. The real question for a mind boggler is how did God become and create himself? The other boggler is trying to imagine the end of the universe and what is holding it. Those are questions that get me but I am sure that God created man.  |
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Date: 4/30/2003 3:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Ever wonder who made a pocketwatch or did it just come together by "chance"...? |
Date: 4/30/2003 4:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
WHO WROTE RING AROUND THE ROSIES OR THE HOKEY POKEY is all i wanna know! lol umm basically i don't think that adam and eve could be it because there was not enough ethnic diversity, there is a theory about that christianess that adam and eve were NOT the first humans, just the first of His chosen, that makes more sense doesn't it? but that still doesn't answer our question does it? hmmm we'll never know at least as long as we're alive, we can believe whatever we want but we'll never really know  |
Date: 4/30/2003 7:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 14407
Not this again!*lol* Pyro posted this debate a few weeks ago. We've been through this countless times.  |
Date: 4/30/2003 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
The ole "pocketwatch" thingy.....*grin* Hiya, KC, how ya doing?   |
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Date: 4/30/2003 7:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
A pocket watch DOES have a designer; a creator. You can find this out by checking with the manufacturer of the watch, and possibly even find out exactly who designed it and maybe they'll even let you see the same watches being made on the assembly line. NOT so, with a God. There is no one single agreement as to what exactly "GOD" is; there is NO way to know ....IF...there is a creator; much less who or how anything was created by this "creator". Ya gotta cough up a creator, first. IF a supernatural god created , then WHO created the creator? And saying "Well, god just always was" does NOT answer ANYTHING. How do you KNOW? is the next question; to which you say "It says in the Bible"....and then we ask "WHO created the Bible?.....and then you say: GOD......and then....around and around and around in circles we go. |
Date: 4/30/2003 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
The answer-both....creation & evolution, brought about by space aliens, who are really Arch-Angels. How's that for a politically correct answer? *tongue in cheek*   |
Date: 4/30/2003 9:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 31255
Ok, I may be wrong, but from what I understood. Adam and Eve were the first children of God or first humans. They had other kids and later Noah's ark came and wiped all the other people out. The tower of bable occured which seperated people to all sides of the world and through adaptation we became darker and formed different facial features and what not to deal with our environment over the course of centuries. So, different races and languages came into being...  |
Date: 4/30/2003 11:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 55967
The Bible never said Adam and Eve were WHITE! NEVER! Also, do you know what the Hebrew word for "man" is? It is "adam." ~GypsyHawk~  |
Date: 5/1/2003 12:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
Hey, Gypsy, long time no see. Here is my question: The first man(Adam) it is said had God breathe a (what) in him? Is there a Hebrew word used there (in place of "what" that has a definite English translation? Once I know what word it is that "fits" there, I am more able to give connotation to what it is I want to say, and how it relates to what I prefer to term "the evolution of Creation". (Hint: This is what our last conversation was about God Bless.  |
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Date: 5/1/2003 6:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
Alright, I'll change it for my friend Thinker. Ever wonder who made a calculator or did it just come together by "chance"...? |
Date: 5/1/2003 8:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 61928
Creationism and Evolution cannot practically be compared. Creationism attempts to explain the origin of life, whereas evolution simply explains the diversity of life. Evolution has NEVER attempted to throw it's hat in the origin of life ring, just as Creationism has no answers for the diversity question.  |
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Date: 5/1/2003 9:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
Doh! KC, dear, are you awake yet? One doesn't have to wonder who MADE a calculator; and it didn't just come together, for you can find out who the manufacturer is, and how and who put it all together from the conception to the execution of the completed product. And please don't come up with "What about the television; did it just come together....". The Earth and everything on it EVOLVED over many eons of years, and will go on for millions more; unless some huge asteroids hit or a bunch of Tsunami's hit , and destroys it. |
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Date: 5/1/2003 9:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 24924
*Falls over on the floor laughing* "evolution of creation".....*scratches head* what WILL they come up with next....? |
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Date: 5/1/2003 11:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 55967
Hey Deb! I think I know where you're headed. Well, the Bible says that God breathed the breath of life into man in order to make him a living being. Now, I read a book a while back that said that the word "breath" itself in Hebrew is the exact same word as "spirit" and "wind." One can then say that God simply "breathed" into Adam His own spirit, giving him a part of His own, like the ocean analogy. Following this formula the author mentioned, anywhere else the word "breath" and "spirit" are in the OT, one can use them interchangeably. I don't think this would work with the NT, since that was written in Aramaic, but I don't know. Would you agree with this? Good to hear from you! ~GypsyHawk~ |
Date: 5/1/2003 11:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 62060
*bashes head against computer* how many times will this question get posted?  |
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Date: 5/1/2003 12:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
LOL@Thinker, hello my friend. The point is, matter doesn't "organize" its self. It takes "intelligence"... In fact, the odds are much less for a pocket watch to "accidently" come together than for the human body....and I haven't found any pocket watches laying around that "evolved", yet....but I'm always on the look out...LOL, |
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Date: 5/1/2003 12:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 61928
Only the intentionally ignorant would ever say that we "evolved from monkies". The great apes and humans share a common ancestor known as Australopithicus afarensis. NOT MONKEYS. |
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Date: 5/1/2003 12:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 61928
I've seen things much greater than watches that didn't require creators. Like mountains. |
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Date: 5/1/2003 12:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Gypsy, that is what I am looking to and I am still wondering not necessarily about a "breath/spirit" connection as to whether the original language of the Bible gives a distinction between the words "soul" and "spirit". Thinker, get off the floor and #62060 quit banging your head; with a little patience maybe we can all see where this is going if we can keep reasoned comments as our focus. And, Slappy, please stick around, too, 'cuz I have always seen you to be pretty reasonable and besides I may need to get back to you with that common ancestor subject, again, if we're all patient. God Bless. |
Date: 5/1/2003 1:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
KC, You need to study some REAL science; and steer clear of the junk science and psuedoscience. Take a look at:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/creationism.html |
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Date: 5/1/2003 3:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
well the way i'm taking KC's quote is, who made the FIRST pocket watch, it wasn't just there, it required someone to put all the little gears together just like they're supposed to be, You all know gears don't just grow in a smooth metal case naturally, but like i say we'll never know while we're on earth (probably never know) we can make as many theories as we like but we'll never know for sure, (at least while we're alive) |
Date: 5/1/2003 4:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 58334
OK, I'm sorry now I posted this. I hadn't realive it has been posted before. :-( Sorry everyone  |
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Date: 5/1/2003 4:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
What do objects that look as if they must have had a designer have in common? The answer is statistical improbability. If we find a transparent pebble washed into the shape of a crude lens by the sea, we do not conclude that it must have been designed by an optician. The unaided laws of Physics are capable of producing those results , it is not too improbable to have just "happened".....BUT, if we find an elaborate compound lens, carefully corrected against spherical and chromatic abberation, coated against glare, and with a company logo or name etched on the rim, we know that it had to have had a maker, and it couldn't have happened by chance. Now, if I went to a distant planet and found a computer, it would be a strong indication that intelligent life had been present, if I found something that looks and acts like computers as we know them. It would be a leap of faith to suggest that the intelligence was supernatural, but it would be an even further leap of faith to suggest that that intelligence was a god or "The Lord" of the Bible. |
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Date: 5/1/2003 4:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Yea, and mountains aint organized, but then again, neither is your mind... |
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Date: 5/1/2003 5:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
You summed it up good with that word Thinker....FAITH.... |
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Date: 5/1/2003 5:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Yeppers; KC, you have nothing else to go on, BUT faith; in your assertions that a "god" created everything. Just faith. |
Date: 5/1/2003 6:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Evolution, cannot happen, from one species to another, like humans from monkeys, the reason is that genetics, if genetics are altared in an offspring, by not even one half of a percent, that offspring cannot survive, that is why we have miscarraiges. If there could be evolution, then explain how does the change in genetics work.  |
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Date: 5/1/2003 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
if there is evolution by chance, then explain how does the animals of different species work togther and help each other. Evolution could never produce anything of that sort. |
Date: 5/1/2003 6:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I"m with King Caspin, who said they were white?
Thinker: If it just evolved, how did it evolve? What caused it to happen?  |
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Date: 5/2/2003 8:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 61928
Real mature, King Caspian. "Ain't" you just the smartest guy in the world? |
Date: 5/2/2003 5:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
one-half of one percent of genetic mutation is quite a leap in evolutionary terms... it seems to be the same exaggerated mistake people make when criticizing abiogenesis.... things do not begin to leap forward at anywhere near that rate... changes accumulate at an almost imperceptible rate  |
Date: 5/2/2003 6:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 30647
Actually, I don't think they were white.  |
Date: 5/2/2003 9:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Adam and Eve were most probably dark-skinned: 1) It is assumed they lived in the Mid-East; 2) Dark skin color is dominant over light skin color. This means it is much easier genetically to move from dark skin to light skin than to progress from light skin to dark skin.  |
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Date: 5/2/2003 10:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
The watch analogy does not work if the components we speak of are not complicated. Thinker is correct; finding a pebble shaped like a lens should not automatically lead us to believe it was created. But, what if the system was more complex? Thinker mentions that finding a computer on a distant planet would indeed indicate the presence of intelligent life. On what basis then, should we conclude that a simple cell--a self-replicating living organism with hundreds of chemical reactions--gradually emerged over time? Some authors have attempted to minimize this issue by down-playing the tremendous used arrived at against the emergence of life by chance [http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html] Unfortunately, they under-estimate the complexity of life. In the above article, Mr. Musgrave uses the notion that there are "at least four" replicating molecules to conclude that the evolution of the first life was much more likely, although he admits "we have no idea how probable life is, it's virtually impossible to assign any meaningful probabilities to any of the steps to life." One concept is certain: either something is alive or it isn't. Evolution demands that, at one time, non-living material somehow became alive. We may find the idea of a Creator repugnant, but it seems to me, there is less intellectual comfort in an idea that violates basic scientific law. |
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Date: 5/3/2003 5:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
People use the similarities as a reason to believe in evolution, every mammal(including whales and dolphins, and bats,etc as well as humans), has for limbs, 1 bone, then 2 bones and 5 digits. Some say that simaliarities are there, well that is true. Guess what you do not need to go to another animal, our arms have 1 bone then 2 bones and then 5 digits, well our legs have 1 bone, 2 bones and 5 digits. So does that mean that our arm have evolved from our legs or did our legs evolved from our arms. How far will evolution go. |
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Date: 5/3/2003 7:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 16849
That's pretty ridiculous. An arm evolved from a leg? Please tell me one person who has ever said this in support of evolution. Anyways, homology and resemblances between different types of species is sound evidence for common descent. |
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Date: 5/3/2003 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
No one said it was, I was asking that to see how far evolution would go, if evolution is right on, as these scientists say it is, then you would have to conclude that arm could have evolved from a leg or a leg from an arm(either it would carry through all the way or not at all). Homology between different species is not evidence that they evolved from a common ancestor. Because in my previous reply, offspring that is too much difference( Not even a half of a percent) would die off(that is why we have miscarriages, the genetics from mother to baby is too much difference ). Mutations are harmful, not benifiting. If a too much of a difference in genetics would kill an offspring, then how can all these species come from a common ancestor. |
