Date: 4/13/2003 12:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 18928
i never heard this war was about oil.  |
Date: 4/13/2003 12:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 23075
I thought it had to do with Iraq getting their freedom and oil.....  |
Date: 4/13/2003 12:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 28899
Lmao! You accuse people of being simple, and then try to tell us that the U.S. is Superman?  |
Date: 4/13/2003 12:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
I like this post. You've said things here that needed to be said.  |
Date: 4/13/2003 1:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
only reason i disagree with this war is because of something that was on one of the news networks about an agenda by the pentagon to force democracy on middle eastern nations also its quite odd the reasons change every week as to why we're going over  |
Date: 4/13/2003 2:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61941
It's pretty simle acyually Jestr. If you were an Iraqi or anybody for that matter telling you what to do andd where and who to do something everyday of your life and if you didn't do what they said they would have someone come and kill you or your family or maybe all of you. If that was your position, wouldn't you want someone to go over and do something about that. I know I would. We shouldn't have to tell anyone a reason why they should just look and feel for themselves and wood see why.  |
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Date: 4/13/2003 2:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
so who aided in our civil war? cause thats basically what it is |
Date: 4/13/2003 2:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 47166
Author- um... you put the emphasis on the wrong word in the title; it should be "It Is NOT About Oil," instead of "It IS Not About Oil." Jestr- France, Germany, and several other countries aided the Union and Confederates during the American Civil war, also Iraq wasn't in any type of war before the U.S. showed up.  |
Date: 4/13/2003 4:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 46530
I agree that this isn't about oil for the common american, it is about getting rid of Saddam and freeing the Iraqi people. However, for the administration of the US this is about making sure that everyone in the world knows that the US is the greatest country, about revenge for 9/11 and yes, about oil and american prosperity. Most of the government are part of The Project for the New American Century, which basically is a conservative organisation that says everything about america is good, everything else can go shoot itself. If you think this war was about WMDs and the iraqi's then you are oversimplifying and don't really have a grasp of GWBs fundementals. All he is interested in is US policy, US taxes and US prosperity. That's what he ran for office on, that's all he is interested in and everything else that he has had to do in his term of office was forced on him by 9/11. Even the "roadmap for israeli peace" was drawn up by the pentagon, even if he is the one presenting it  |
Date: 4/13/2003 5:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
cannot debate this post-I agree with the author...Good Post!  |
Date: 4/13/2003 5:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Iraq's Oil will be used to pay for rebuilding the country, which means giving the contracts to US companies, that's where thye make their money. There is a big point being missed by so many people about the reasons for this war. If you ask Bush, or Blair, NOW, they will tell you how they have freed the Iraqi people and gotten rid of an evil dictator. Are all of your memories so short, you can't remember back a few months, when these two leaders were saying the war was NOT about regime change, but about the weapons of mass destruction? Bush and Blair practically said, that as long as Saddam gave up his weapons, they were perfectly happy to let him remain in power. For all their talk of how bad he is, they would have let him remain a dictator and tyrant. But, of course, since so far NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCITON HAVE BEEN FOUND, Bush and Blair change their story, and now it's all about getting rid of Saddam. The american and brittish people, are happy that Iraq is no longer ruled by a tyrant, but remember that is NOT the reason their leaders started the war.  |
Date: 4/13/2003 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 14407
I blieve it is most definatly about oil. The US government is most definatly amoral and greedy.  |
Date: 4/13/2003 8:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Yes it is about oil and big business. The whole war was planned and orchestrated by the big oil businesses. You have to do some research OK... Type in Haliburton, Bechtel, etc. You'll find that the top people in the Bush Admin are connected to the oil industry. Do some research on the former jobs of Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld etc. This has been planned since the 80s. If you want me to cite some evidence I will,,,, but I'd prefer it if you found out for yourself.  |
Date: 4/13/2003 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
Originally the war was about weapons of mass destruction and Sadaam breaking a treaty signed in the early 90's. It still is about that, I think they just threw in "Operation Iraqi Freedom" as a lame attempt to appeal to bleeding heart liberals, but it really doesn't matter what they think. If no weapons of mass destruction are ever found, I still wouldn't doubt that they had them. Way too much time was spent messing around with the UN and it's weapons inspectors. There is no doubt that Sadaam was a threat to many people and that has nothing to do with oil. France has more to gain from oil then the US does, they use roughly 25% of it's oil when the US uses about 8%. I don't think some people will ever realize that this is not all about oil, yeah oil plays a part, but it's not all about oil.  |
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Date: 4/13/2003 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
ok clukinvar, you dont hear about to many french or german armies going against confederate or union armies, not to mention we wouldnt be in this mess if we didnt give weapons and money to saddam in the 80's |
Date: 4/13/2003 10:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 62118
US couldn't take over the world, that would lead to all out nuclear warfare. No one would live to rule the world.  |
Date: 4/14/2003 9:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 17204
I fully agree w you good post  |
Date: 4/14/2003 11:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 31368
Just a quick point. The oil in Iraq is very miniscule percentage of all the oil in the world. We produce more in the USA then they produce in the small California sized country of Iraq. There's more oil just in Alaska than in Iraq. They think they need a legitimate theory in order to protest so this is the one they picked. But it doesn't hold water. Find the facts. If you want to protest, just tell the truth. You don't want war, you don't want people to die, and you don't think any reason is good enough for your service men to die. Even the torture and oppression of people who can't stand up for themselves. Quit jumping on the bandwagon people, you're just making yourselves look like followers. Do the research before protesting.  |
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Date: 4/14/2003 4:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
oh yes we can drill alaska for all that oil, there is so much environmental laws up here that if you spill a drop of oil you get more time than killing a man |
Date: 4/14/2003 5:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
LOL I think its funny how people are still debating this ?!?! Is this the same war that was supposed to spark World War 3? I feel sorry for the people that believe that this War is still for oil but I guess I'll just let you bask in your own ignorance. Do you see how happy these Iraqi's are? It makes me feel so good about my country when I see the news reports of Iraqis cheering and yelling Pro-American chants and knowing that there is a brighter future for all of them oil or not.  |
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Date: 4/14/2003 7:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
ah yes but why didnt we take out saddam when he had our second chance to do so? |
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Date: 4/14/2003 8:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61941
First goes out to Dark Pheonix, If you remember that thy said what you stated then you should also remember Bushes ultimatum just a fewdays before the war. He said that Saddam hads his time to give up his WMD but didn't know he must leave the country or be forced out. Second goes to Gandwere if you think the US Govt. is so Immoral and greedy after all it's done for you then you need help, and third goes to Koolaide If you got so much proof that they are as money hungry as you say ,and are able to basically tell the Men and Women of this country to die for oil then present your case or quit wasting our time. Why do we need there oil anyway with new sythetic oils and techmology advances it's only a matter of time before it goes obsilete anyway. |
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Date: 4/14/2003 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
you are right but the bush family opposes synthetic oils i.e. hemp oils which are by far the best of all the synthetics |
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Date: 4/14/2003 9:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 31368
Regardless, I stand by my point. Iraq's contribution to the oil community is miniscule. To even suggest this is about oil is laughable when so many other counties provide oil and far more. And yes they are trying to stop them from destroying the oil wells. It's one of their few natural resources and if they are destroyed how will these people live? They have to make money somehow and if we want them to be on their own we have to stop these oppressors from taking away the only thing that can make that happen. Otherwise they would have to be dependant on other countries. And for those people who are still convinced that we aren't really liberating them (that we are instead going to go back on our word and take over the country) get real. Do you honestly think they could get away with that after having said for so long that that's NOT what they're going to do. They would be ruined. They have to stick to their word at this point, it would cause too many conflicts to do otherwise. |
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Date: 4/14/2003 9:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61941
Shelly, are you saying all this in regards to my post. I mean do you agree. |
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Date: 4/15/2003 8:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 31368
Yes, I agree witht the post wholeheartedly. I was answering Jester's comments. Thanks for posting this it needed to be said. I never understood where they got this idea from. They obviously don't do the research they just needed a reason to protest. |
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Date: 4/15/2003 1:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
ok so you dont buy the oil point but ya know watch the next iraqi leader is going to be established by us and hes gonna be billy bob akhbar a muslim arab from texas |
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Date: 4/15/2003 5:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
It's so great to see Bush liberating all these poor people who can't defend themselves from oppressive governments. I assume, Israel is next on the list? Come to think of it, there's a dictator in Pakistan, and China has a brutal government too. Hmm..... |
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Date: 4/15/2003 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
isnt Korea breaking some rules also? |
Date: 4/15/2003 6:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 36079
Shelly, I agree with you up to a point, that is, Alaska only has enough oil for 6 months. But it doesn't matter anyway, within 40 years or less there will be no more oil left in the world! I wonder if other planets have oil...... It has been said over and over again that the oil will belong to iraq. Koolade, why not take it a step further and say that our leaders were also the ones that masterminded 911, if it wasn't for THAT this war would not have happened. Alien I'm with ya too, I have heard that about france and one other country I believe. Although the war was not meant in the first place to free iraq, I do think Bush has a heart about the subject, did you hear him with his talks with Chinas president? Kinda like the talk hillary had with them about forced abortions.  |
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Date: 4/15/2003 6:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 31368
I am not here to debate that, but I do believe that if a dictator is torturing their people then something should be done about it. It's the responsibilty as a human being to see that everyone is treated humanly to the highest extent that this can be accomplished. I do not think that ever country should be switched to a democracy just for the sake of being a democracy. As long as these leaders are not abusing thier power and abusing their citizens then I don't have a problem no matter what government they have. I'd be willing to bet that the people who keep saying we should mind our own business, are the same people who condem our forefathers for owning slaves. But I guess that's OUR business that we are minding not someone else's. It shouldn't matter what country they live in. If a wrong has been done against another human, we need to unite as humans and remedy that wrong. We need to stop cowering behind our flag and treat everyone as we would treat our own people. If a govener of a state that wasn't your state, started abusing his or her citizens, would we turn our heads they other way, simply because it wasn't our state? Why are these people's quality of life any different? |
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Date: 4/15/2003 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
states are different than countries, also it was wrong for our forefathers to own slaves,slavery period is wrong but you dont see us going to africa to try and put a stop to it, we helped the slaves in OUR country although the civil war was not about slavery |
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Date: 4/15/2003 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 31368
You've made my point for me. States are different than countries, but why? Do you only care about what happens to people in other states because they live in your country. No I believe you are a good person who cares what happens to others. So why should you, or I, or anyone NOT care about what happens to human beings anywhere. Slavery was wrong, it was inhumane, and I never said it had anything to do with the civil war. But it did have something to do people caring about the way others were treated. It had something to do with the fact that we are all created equally and should be treated as such. And if I had my choice we should make sure that each country has the same rights and freedoms as everyone. One by one, no matter what country they live in. I'll never understand how people claim to care about their fellow human beings but can turn a blind eye to human beings suffering just because they are not of the same nationality. It's hypocrisy. Everyone says their greatest wish is for world peace. WORLD PEACE can not be achieved until everyone live on even ground, until those who are better off stand up for those who are not, so that they have the same rights to a peaceable life. I am NOT FOR war, I don't believe anyone would say that they are. But there are those of us who realize that sometimes war is needed in order to achieve the eventual world peace that everyone wants. We can not have world peace until the people who abuse their power, who use those under them as pawns in their evil game of chess are taken out of commission. How can anyone claim world peace, just because there is no war. That's not world peace, world peace means everyone is equally treated, that all "countries" in this "world" live in peace, with each other and withing themselves. |
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Date: 4/15/2003 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 31368
Devil dog, sorry I've gotten off the subject but when someone directs a comment at me I feel like it would be an admission that I had no response if I didn't respond. Thanks again for the post. |
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Date: 4/15/2003 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 31368
By the way, my brother is a Marine, he's in Iraq now but he was stationed in California camp pendelton before he was deployed. |
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Date: 4/15/2003 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
ok what about the people in china,cuba,pakistan,korea and every other country with a dictator getting help from us? what makes iraq so important? |
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Date: 4/16/2003 12:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 31368
Well, I think that Sadam and Bin Laden are blatantly evil. I'm not against dictatorships, (although it would not be my first choice, but THAT is not my choice to make.) Buy I am against tyranny, these men are not just dictators they are tyrants, evil to the core with no respect for human lives, especially the lives that are their responsibility to protect. These men are a greater threat to their own people then anyone else, so why shouldn't they be the highest priority? And if you are suggesting that we to be fair we should be at war with all these evil men at once, that's just unrealistic. IF the sole purpose is to take these evil men out of power we have to start with the most evil and work our way down. It would do none of us any good to go after them all at once. |
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Date: 4/16/2003 4:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
im guessing you dont notice the 1000's of cubans that try to leave everyday? all dictatorships are tyranny's wether you realise it or not |
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Date: 4/16/2003 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 31368
I notice alot more than you would think, I live in the real world and I'm done doing this with you. It seems to me you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Let's just agree to disagree, it doesn't seem to me that you have actually shown that you disagree, it seems like you're just playing devil's advocate. It was fun, bye. |
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Date: 4/16/2003 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 14407
None of this is for us or Iraq. Its for them and all their rich old white friends to line their pockets. and they're trying to use all of us as pawns to do it. |
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Date: 4/17/2003 3:50:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61941
Jestr, China is nowhere even in the same feild as Iraq. Neithers is Korea, Cuba. Seriously if your going to argue a point be sure that all your associated material is correct, otherwise you will look nothing more than a fool. |
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Date: 4/17/2003 10:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
but wait i thought bush was going after dictators? odd aint it, a tyranny in my opinion is exactly what a dictator is, kind of like "do as i say not as i do" sorry thats just my wierd opinion |
Date: 4/18/2003 7:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
If we're for freeing people why don't we invade China....or Iran or North Korea....or Saudi Arabia or Cuba..or or..you get my point? If we were so for freeing the enslaved we'd do something about all these oppressed nations. We haven't. We're hypocrits and the world knows it. It's the truth. Can you handle it?
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Date: 4/18/2003 10:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61941
Listen to me resilent one, I'm in bloody china right know and theres nothing wrong with it. The reason why we invaded Iraq is because all those other nations you mention actually have the brains to negotiate through diplomatic channels unlike Iraq which was just about brute control. and then again I haven't heard anything of any of those countries you named being murdered by its own rulers have you, not recently, like in the last ten years and more. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about, please before you make the same mistake twice please do a little research before charging my beloved country with anything. |
Date: 4/18/2003 11:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 61928
To say that oil is totally uninvolved is ignorant. To say it's the only reason is stupid.  |
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Date: 4/22/2003 12:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 36079
devil dog, if you count all the women who are forced partial abortions as they are in true labor, then yes, Chinas rulers have killed many, but many more women are forced into being induced then given partial abortions, which is killing a baby between 7 and 9 months where it could very well survived. |
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Date: 4/22/2003 12:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 61941
Well, If ther born a girl especailly in the farm lands if they have a girl they'll kill the baby anyway and try again for a boy if the Govt. doesn't know their pregnant. |
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Date: 4/22/2003 7:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 36079
yes, I know, it is terrible when a people put such little value on a life. Although a person has responsibilty for there own actions, the rulers have all these childrens blood on there hands. |
