Date: 4/3/2003 5:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
Wonder what that person in the front of you would have thought if they were the ones having to walk into that gas chamber? ughhhh  |
Date: 4/3/2003 5:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 59385
well yes the fatherland was wrong for what they did  |
Date: 4/3/2003 5:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 49707
I totally do not agree with what that kid said nothing good came out of the holocaust i dont know where hes been but nothing good couldve ever come out of it  |
Date: 4/3/2003 5:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 59385
no good came from it that i see
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Date: 4/3/2003 5:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 40319
If anything good could be said to come from the Holocaust, it would be that it showed the world how horrible people can behave when they let intolerance get out of control. By teaching it, the world can prevent it from happening again. Even that doesn't make the Holocaust even slightly a good thing.  |
Date: 4/3/2003 5:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 27270
Does he not understand that we can always produce more food, but never replace human life? Probably not, ignorant fools like that can't understand the most simple concept. He is an idiot, pity him, but do not accept him  |
Date: 4/3/2003 5:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
it was good for pop. control, thats about it  |
Date: 4/3/2003 5:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
Good point Brianna B. While I tend to agree with Jestr I find it hard to put pop. control on human life.  |
Date: 4/3/2003 6:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 26573
To say it was good for population control is one of the most un-educated, ignorant, non-thinking thing one can say about the Holocaust. There was no famine or need for population control. What an asenine thing to say.  |
Date: 4/3/2003 6:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
well something I would consider good as a result of it would be, human awareness, social change, a spirit moving people to make life better for others in a time of need, people valuing human life more now, seeing what awful way it was discarded in the past.... jmo  |
Date: 4/3/2003 7:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 59385
 ungabel smart woman
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Date: 4/3/2003 7:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 24845
I think that was the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. DID THAT PERSON HAVE A BRAIN IN HIS SKULL? Man, that makes me mad. I had family over there that died at those evil, inhumane, ignorant, self-serving, buttholes hands. I can't tell you how wrong I think that is. nothing good came out of that tragedy. There were babies that were gassed, shot, burned alive, and died of inhuman conditions. It was horrible. I think the only good thing that came out of that was that it opened the world's eyes to the atrocites of human ignorance. That there is no such thing as a perfect race. That humans are humans. PERIOD. They all bleed, cry, laugh, and die. The same as any other human. That is just horrible.  |
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Date: 4/3/2003 8:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
my current gf's grandfather and great-grandfather served under hitler and they pulled the trigger on jews well it rubbed off on her father and lets just say we dont get along |
Date: 4/3/2003 8:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
Your friend (and Jestr) need to read some books..My daughter is reading one about teenagers who all died in the Holocaust, it is based on their diaries..Jestr, if you feel it was good for population control, you shouldn't have a problem with the current war, as I know you do. Why the double standard? It was okay to kill jews and handicapped people??  |
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Date: 4/3/2003 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
sorry i forgot to add the sarcasm:P i actually think the holocaust was horrible but ya know ya live and ya learn and hopefully it can prevent further things happening |
Date: 4/3/2003 8:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
Something good came out of it. We learned how NOT to be: don't be another Hitler!  |
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Date: 4/3/2003 8:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
In addition, I will say that that dude needs to get decked across the face. Those 6 million people did NOT deserve that. It was cruel. I read an exerpt from "Night" by Elie Wiesel and we are going to read the whole book soon. The one scene I read really disturbed me. Hitler sucks. |
Date: 4/3/2003 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 59418
The holocaust was cruel, and should never have been allowed to happen.  |
Date: 4/3/2003 8:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
Well it seems to be the overwhelming opiniont that this creep, (not my friend by the Kelly the guy who sits in frony me  ) needs to be decked in the face and be taught history. I do believe it has taught to not be so ignorant about situations in other countries, (such as Iraq although a comparison is not at all direct). |
Date: 4/3/2003 11:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
This is a disgusting debate and anyone who even tries to even rationalize the killing of hundreds of Jews is not even cool at all in my book.  |
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Date: 4/3/2003 11:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Ment to say millions not hundreds. |
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Date: 4/3/2003 11:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
I dont think anyone knows how pissed I am from the STUPID debate. But yah I red the night book also thats some nasty stuff. |
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Date: 4/3/2003 11:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Im going to message admin and get this stupid debate erased Im sorry but the debate and some posts in here is just plain ignorant and childish. |
Date: 4/4/2003 4:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
Actually, I think this post should stand. As time goes by, a lot of people tend to forget the evils that man can do, especially when he calls for the wholesale slaughter of his brethren, because of his religion, political viewpoints, or only because he doesn't agree with the state. People forget that it was not only Jews that were killed, but also poltical disidents, Poles, French, Czechs, Belgians, Dutch, gypsies, homosexuals, and anyone else that the heirarchy of the Nazi regime did not agree with, or who they felt was a danger to the state. No good ever comes from the senseless killing of others. However, we do learn from it. We learn that man is indeed the most dangerous species on the planet, and that evil is a force to be reckoned with.  |
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Date: 4/4/2003 7:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 16538
God Warrior Spirit I knew youd say that. |
Date: 4/4/2003 8:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 54532
Im jewish and almost my entire family was wiped out.(on my mothers side). Nothing good ever came out of it and anyone who says so is an upcoming Hitler!! ~Lilliana~  |
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Date: 4/4/2003 1:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
Big Tex it is stupid to want a debate, well this is not really even a debate just a mass of replies saying that the guy is stupid, erased. Just dont partake in it. |
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Date: 4/4/2003 2:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
WOW Jestr thats pretty BLEEP'ed up. Your girlfriends relatives are they nazis still? |
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Date: 4/4/2003 6:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i dunno i just know that her grandfather and great grandfather served in the SS and her dad is pretty racist, i have a strong feeling me and her dad are gonna mix like oil and water |
Date: 4/4/2003 6:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 15157
My Father can tell you that Nothing good came out of it!...he was one of the Tank drivers that went in to rescue one of those horrible death camps. He saw Piles of bones and piles of dentures..piles of glasses...All the human corpses!...He saw Fake Green Soap that was really a rock in those gas Chambers...he saw all the inhuman suffering those people went through!...What kinda good can come out of all that sufferring?!?! Those people were DEFENCELESS!   |
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Date: 4/4/2003 8:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Dude thats hardcore the SS I would not even want to talk to him the guys where brutal. You need to give that racist guy a whoopin Bigtex style! |
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Date: 4/4/2003 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Big Tex, not all members of the SS were brutal, inhuman, killing machines. The SS of Nazi Germany was the elite of the army. While most did come up through the Hitler youth, not all did. The death camp guards were SS, but they were a different arm of the SS from the military fighting units. |
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Date: 4/4/2003 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Really Warrior Spirit I kinda expected the elite fighting units and the guards to take shifts you know I know about the diffrent branches of the SS..I was talking about them in general. You have to be expected to be brutal to an extent if you where a guard at a camp where people were mass murdered by the hundreds and thousands and you had to uphold that brutality. |
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Date: 4/4/2003 9:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
Kiki, that is so, sick...I can't...imagine...no words can say. I understand the brutality of it all, but when you put it in context, such as with the soap, it hits you hard. As for your gf's father Jestr, thats crazy, SS? Man he needs a but kicken and some common sense slapped in his face. Thats sick dude, hopefully your gf is nothing like him. |
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Date: 4/4/2003 10:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
oh she isnt, when he gets back from JRTC in 2 weeks im not even going over the house unless im getting her cause ill probably beat him with a bat cause of what he puts her threw but still i dislike anyone that served under hitler for the simple fact most of them were with his evil scheme, maybe im just ignorant |
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Date: 4/4/2003 10:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
also i know her great grandfather was incharge of a panzer unit,dont know which one or what rank, her grandfather did go threw hitler youth and her dad proudly shows off his fathers dagger(its sickening quite frankly) |
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Date: 4/4/2003 10:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
That sucks. I would be so disgusted with people who served in his military, only following orders. I know some of them did have direct relations with killing innocents, but I do understand that some were just following orders, like any american soldier was doing. |
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Date: 4/4/2003 11:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
I dont blame all of the soldiers that served under the Nazi power. Some of the did it for the same reason that rebel soldiers fought for the south. It was for pride of their country. Now in no way am I rationalizing any actions by the Nazis but a soldier is a soldier. But yah your girlfriends needs a butt kickin Bigtex style |
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Date: 4/5/2003 3:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
Big Tex and Jestr, SS Panzer units had little or nothing to do with the death camps, as did other SS combat units. There was no rotation from combat untis to death camps. The death camp guards were often members of the original SA of Nazi Germany, which made them not much more than uniformed thugs. |
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Date: 4/5/2003 8:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
dude WS how do you know so much? lol its kinda cool. bigtex im not going to beat my girl lol unless that was a typo |
Date: 4/5/2003 8:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 61188
I think the only good thing that came out of it was the experience. We now know that we shouldn't let someone fuel up their weapons for 7-8 years before attacking. We shouldn't sit around on our butts and say "What? Oh, they need more time to fuel up? Ok then, We'll just attack later". That's why I think it's OK that we went on to Iraq earlier than later. The later we go the harder it will be for us to all come out OK..... So that's why I think the holocaust actually DID help us out today, but I am sorry that so many people had to die before we figured this out.... .::. Rachel .::.  |
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Date: 4/5/2003 11:04:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
Yeah WS, you are really smart. Critisizing the German soldiers who did nothing but serve their country is like critisizing the Japanese foot soldiers who fought for honor and country, they had nothing to do with the death camps. |
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Date: 4/5/2003 11:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 54532
Just the other day someone said to my mom they should have gotten rid of all the jews in the holocaust. Right to her face! And shes Jewish! |
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Date: 4/5/2003 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i would have bludgeoned that person with dog feces...er something, to say one religon is better than the other is pointless because there's no blatant facts as to if your god exists |
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Date: 4/5/2003 1:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 58681
We progress through learning. We repeat the same lessons until we see the errors in our thinking. We create wars for many reasons. It is a matter of perspective. When we all learn that violence begets violence, hatred begets hatred, then we progress. |
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Date: 4/5/2003 10:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Jestr, I have done a lot if studying in military history, especially the Civil War and WWII. I found a good web site a couple years back on the German SS, that went into all the different units, and their roles during the war. I have also read several books that looked not at the Allied side of the war, but at the German perpesctive. One excellent book was The Devil's Adjutant, about Colonel Joachim Peiper, who led the 1st SS Panzers at the Battle of the Bulge. He was also at one time the assistant to Heinrich Himler. At the end of the war, he was tried for war crimes for his supposed role in the Malmedy massacre. |
Date: 4/6/2003 2:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 56840
I believe... That the destruction of human life - any human life, no matter what culture. The Holocaust itself was, I think a bad thing. Very bad. And if you think about it, the world shouldn't have needed a wake-up call about it. It was a wake-up call, though, and I am glad for that, it cannot be changed. But you must realize that unless the greater majority of the higher officials of a country don't do anything about such a thing happening, it may be because they either never thought that it could derive from Germany, or because they were refusing to face the hard facts that led up the the Holocaust. Please correct me if I am wrong.. So.. Yes, the world stood up and took notice of it and deduced that this sort of thing aught never happen again.. Yet, I guess the only reason we even NEEDED a wake-up call to get us realizing that it was awful was the actual act to happen. the human mind rarely percieves something as wrong or evil unless there is something to back it up. And since the general public had never heard about such a drastic thing as the Holocaust before occurring, of course it was not looked for. Just some thoughts; I hope I didn't ramble too long off the subject..  |
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Date: 4/6/2003 2:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 56840
Population control.. We sometimes do it to wildlife and such.. And why is it thought to be wrong to humans? Maybe the whole concept is off the wall.. Maybe we need to start looking for ways to prevent it before it happens.. Either that or begin colonizing another planet.. To justify destroying people is what you try to do when applying that concept. |
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Date: 4/6/2003 2:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 56840
Oh, by the way, I agree.. this post is better left up.. I don't think it's a useless debate, although why anyone would want to be for the Holocaust.. that is beyond me. |
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Date: 4/6/2003 3:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
Once again, Lady Blaze, this post was not meant to justify whether it was a good or bad thing, just if anything at ALL good came out of it. You have made good points though. |
