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Debates about Debates on the War...where are your morals?

  Author:  60792  Category:(Interesting) Created:(3/23/2003 7:12:00 PM)
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Ok I know alot of you are tired of hearing about these arguements on the war and I am one of them but there are so many of you who think you are right and that everyone should share your opinion. Its just the way you say it and you may think the same about me. Let's talk about rights. That is all wars are about...rights. Blah Blah had no right to do blah blah and bleh bleh had no right to do bleh bleh. Wars never solve anything. Its like antibiotic painkillers for a tooth ache. The pain goes away but eventually it will come back until it has healed and speaking in terms of the world..there is always gonna be someone who is doing something that isn't liked by the rest of the world so all this war is about is a recurring toothache...No one has the right to tell me I am wrong in my thinking and I have no right to tell you you are wrong in what you believe. That is why they are called beliefs. If your belief is so easily changed by someone elses opinion then you never really believed it at all. No one knows the truth and is the proof really proof or just a distorted view of the facts. We need to focus on coming together in unity and peace instead of going at eachother's throats in a heated discussion of wit and opinion. My opinion is that Bush should have put more thought into his actions but the key word is opinion. I respect your opinion and I expect you to do the same.

Another thing

Someone asked why we didn't just send somepeople to assinate Saddam...no one has the right to play God. Murder is murder no matter what the cause. That is just my opinion although there were plenty of other reasons. Yes Saddam is a bad man and does deserve to die and when he does die he probably will burn but it is not up to us to do it. His people need to take a stand against him and bring him down instead of depending on us to make it WORSE!!! Speak out for what you believe or else you will never be heard.

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just makes me a little annoyed with some peoples attitudes

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Date: 3/23/2003 7:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    I will speak out for what I believe in as well! While I respect your opinion I must say this, we are living in the free world where we take certain liberties for granted. WE must help those who are unable to help themselves.  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 28899    I try to stay out of it, usually just giving my opinion and ducking out.. But, when people feel the need to take cheap shots, simply because they can't come up with a legitimate response, it's difficult for me to bite my tounge.. What really gets me, though, is when people write things like "you have evey right to believe what you believe.. You're misinformed and you missed the point, but you have every right to your belief." *sigh*  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:38:00 PM  ( Admin-JGB )   a valid question would be, as you refer to playing god... Hitler for example killed millions of people, would it have been better to stay out and let him continue his murderous march? So saadam has murdered tens of thousands, do we stand by and allow it to continue? Is there some magic number of bodies killed before it is the right thing to do to step in and help these people? **and by the way I do not care for the opinion that we are wrong to be there or wrong to support our troops, but I fully respect your right to say what you wish and disagree with my opinion.
Date: 3/23/2003 7:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    Ummm we can't play god yet the in the bible it says love thy neighbour.weird.lol.  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 2030    Sounds to me like you just want everyone to share your opinion.  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 53052    well said!!  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:45:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    thank you jungabel but I think the situation now is different from the Holocaust. Innocent people are murdered everyday but I don't see everyone jumping in to bring them to justice...our whole government is cheap in my opinion...I mean look where all our tax money goes...to wars that never solve anything. It is our money and we should have a voice as to its use. Like people on welfare who don't need it but keep popping out babies cause thats another 100 dollars to their wellfare check. People that need the welfare don't get it. Its all a matter of principle. Your beliefs are your own and don't let anyone change them. Now certain beliefs can be proven wrong like how some older people don't like blacks because thats what they grew up believing but you can't change those but there is proof that they are not scum, or dirty no good slaves. But matters like this where there is no proof....thats when you believe what you believe...  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:46:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    yes BCAR I want people to realize that no one is wrong  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:49:00 PM  ( Admin-JGB )   matters like this where there is no proof?? what do you mean?? that he didn't kill thousands of people, gas his own people, invade other countries?? 7000 pow's from the Iran Iraq war taken by iraq, NEVER accounted for.... that kind of no proof?? again tho that is just my opinion - that there is plenty of proof...
Date: 3/23/2003 7:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 15228    reminds me of a t-shirt I saw today "If everyone would just agree with me, everyone would be right" (or something like that)..Well, it seemed profound at the time, but it was rather warm out and I'd had a glass of wine or two.  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:56:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    arguing is pointless...ur not gonna change my opinion and I'm not gonna change yours. Believe what you want to believe and thats it. Stop trying to pick fights.  
Date: 3/23/2003 7:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 36901    I don't care if others share my opinion or not. I don't try to force my views on anyone. Some people get opinions mixed up with fact though. You can't change a fact to fit around your opinion no matter how hard you try (not you personally but people in general). I respect most people's opinions, but not when they change cold hard facts or when they base their opinion on things they know nothing about.  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    Ummm I don't think this should have been in the interesting catergory!  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:00:00 PM  ( Admin-JGB )   I'm sorry if you thought I was picking a fight... I was thinking that my opinion would be respected here (topic of your post) I was questioning if that was the proof that you were speaking to and I stated that I did think that was proof... I wasn't meaning to pick a fight.
Date: 3/23/2003 8:01:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    i wasn't speaking to you jungabel...I was speaking to everyone in a whole.  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:05:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    I'm not supporting anyone. But do we really know what we know. We didn't witness these horrible things though I'm not denying them. You aren't over there fighting for your life like our soldiers and those are the opinions we need to hear. Truth is fighting over opinions is pointless because they aren't going to do a durn thing but get people angry.  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    You obviously haven't spoken to soldiers who were over in desert storm have you! All i can say is this, I hope you never have to find out first hand why this war is on.  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:13:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    we took the first punch. What we think they could have done with those weapons wasn't proven true.  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 15228    *sigh* we knocked out there command and control right off the bat...no orders have been going out to the field, We have been talking to the Iraqi Generals directly on their cell phones (hello? General Ishbar? This is the United States, if you use chemical weapons, plan on a long stay at Getmo)....not that I'm arguing or trying to change your mind, or anything...  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:23:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    the very first post I made at USM was about war http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm282267.html  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    okay if bush didn't go in and something happened he would have been crucified, but now that he has gone in he is being crucified! The poor guy can't win!  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 31255    I agree with VK, everyone is entitled to their opinion and beliefs. Debates based on just opinions and beliefs ususally never go anywhere except in circles, but if the people are kewl than sometimes it can be fun and enlightening...  
Date: 3/23/2003 8:36:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    Thank You Toodles   
Date: 3/23/2003 8:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 20069    i think morals differ in everyone as well, and are part of our opinions..
thats why i feel it is not right to go to war or make laws, etc. based on peoples morals.. since they are all different, who is to say what is right?
  
Date: 3/23/2003 9:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 28767    WOW! Debates about debates lol crazy. All i know is i support our troops 100%! Peace Out..  
Date: 3/24/2003 4:46:00 AM  From Authorid: 46565    The reason why we didn't just assisinate saddam hussein is because there is a law that prohibits the president from assassinating world leaders which by the way is ignored more than it is followed.  
Date: 3/24/2003 6:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    I just love people who throw out wild acusations and make inflamitory comments, and then as soon as someone tales them to task, they fall back on the "lets all just get along" mantra. Priceless post, just priceless. LMAO!  
Date: 3/24/2003 6:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 34487    I'm sorry but your post is a bit contradictory. Everyone has a right to post what they wish, it's when others insult a person's opinion or flat out tell them they aren't entitled to their opinion, that's not fair. People are very misinformed about this war. Many don't know just how evil Saddam, his sons and his Regime is. NO ONE, should ever defend this monster. That is an atrocity to do so. No, we aren't God but Saddam, his sons and his Regime are the spawn of Satan, in my book.  
Date: 3/24/2003 7:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 61923    I totally agree with you. The biggest problem I have with others voicing their opinions or beliefs is that they have no real justification for that belief or opinion on whatever it is that they are arguing for. I will admit that it is virtually impossible to get an unbiased fact in todays media world whether it be conservative or liberal but people should research and pull facts together before claiming it as their belief. Too many opinions out there are repeats and adopted from others.
Date: 3/24/2003 8:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 27360    do you know how one is paroled in the Iraqi Prisons, they line up the prisoners and shoot them, the ones that live are stood up once more and shot again, after that the ones that live are set free.  
Date: 3/24/2003 8:41:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    grrrr you are twisiting what I'm saying. This post wasn't meant to say who is on what side and what side is right. This post was meant to say that everyone is entitled to their opinion and to stop flaming them for it. Where in this post did I say that Saddam shouldn't be dead. Where in this post did I say who's side I was on. You people need to stop writing as if you are the victim and need to get your head out of your butt and read between the lines. I wrote this post to say that no one is wrong and everyone's opinion matters to someone but you come here trying to tell me I'm wrong. HELLO what did this post say...  
Date: 3/24/2003 8:42:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    You Choose, where was I ever defending Saddam. This post didn't say you aren't entitled to your opinion and where are you reading saying it didn't. Basically you are putting words in my mouth.  
Date: 3/24/2003 9:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 34487    No offense here VampireKiss but when you argue a point, calling people names, only makes you lose your credibility. As far as my comment about defending Saddam, I never said that you said were defending him. What I said was that, "No one should defend Saddam." Please don't put words in my mouth. I also never claimed that your post said that we were'nt entitled to our opinions. I was just putting emphasis on the obvious. As far as why your post is contradictory.... the title doesn't match your statements. Just an observation. Constructive criticism is something you need to acknowledge, instead of get defensive over. I guess that comes with age though.  
Date: 3/24/2003 9:16:00 AM  From Authorid: 34487    Actually, I take that back... you never called names but you were insulting people with comments like, "our heads out of our butts" and to "shut up." That's what I meant to say originally.  
Date: 3/24/2003 9:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 34487    Sorry about the typo's above, I'm a bit tired of clarifying things today. Brain burn out.  
Date: 3/24/2003 9:29:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    but you came here defending an opinion that the story wasn't even about anyway. You are entitled to your opinion on who is right but that wasn't what this post was about and bringing it here was totally off subject.  
Date: 3/24/2003 9:31:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 60792    *sigh* I give up  
Date: 3/24/2003 4:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    I don't get it..They did attempt to assassinate Saddam and his sons from the very beginning. I still believe Saddam was injured and at least one son was killed in that first attack. As for that being illegal..From what I understand, assassination is legal if there is proof of them being guilty of war crimes. When Saddam attempted to assassinate Bush Sr under the Clinton Adminstration, this was an illegal attempt and is considered a war crime. Saddam and his are guilty of war crimes in the fact they have refused to disarm since the war on Iran and in many other issues.  
Date: 3/24/2003 5:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    Sometimes a war is needed to begin a curing process. If a person has an infectious boil, the core must be forced out in order for the healing to begin. I believe that Iraq cannot begin to heal until the core is forced out.  
Date: 3/24/2003 7:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    How did what I said not apply to this post? I don't see it.  
Date: 3/25/2003 6:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    Well thanks to all the Admin deletions this post no longer resembles the debate it was. Chalk up another victory for La La land.  
Date: 3/25/2003 7:16:00 AM  From Authorid: 15394    One thing I would like to add to this... people's minds can be changed... the truth is, we NEED to have opinions stated and debated so that we can make an informed choice as to our feelings about the whole thing... to think that it is useless to speak about this is an error in thinking imho.  

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