Date: 3/22/2003 7:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 24845
I so completley agree it's not even funny. These are my thoughts exactly. The folks that are protesting this war don't know everything that is out there and that's going on. I think that it is very contradictive to say "no to war" and "yes to peace." when the protesters I saw on tv were running away from the police and causing a near riot in NYC. The place where cowards and "socalled" martydors killed New Yorkers and other Americans. One minute thier saying "oh, my gosh!! our children and families" then the next saying "why stick our nose in where it doesn't belong." I just don't understand it.  |
Date: 3/22/2003 7:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Yes SumrfPoo, great post. I can not believe Americans who say peace not war, when the only way to achieve peace is through war. Don't they get it? You can not "deal" with Hitler, Saddam, or Bin Laden, there is no PEACE iwth them, only violence. So don't you dare say you talk through it, you sound ignorant.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 24845
I complety agree VitalDeath. There is absolutely no "talking" to those maniacs. They are about maintaining power to hurt others it isn't just about thier own countrymen either. They wouldn't care where you came from. Humans in general they would kill without even blinking. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Right Angel, thats just how people like them work. |
Date: 3/22/2003 9:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
Excellent post, good points.  |
Date: 3/22/2003 9:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 14407
I think you misunderstand what that means... What they are trying to say is that violence will perpetuate further violence. Invariably every action has conseqences. No nation, or group or individual is seperate from everything else in the world. We are all interconnected, what efects one will effect all. Thus violence inflected on one is ultimatly voiolence against all. Violence is not the ansewer to violence just like fire can't put out another fire. Violence can only be stilled by non-violence, hatred can only be stilled by love and suffering by compassion. Otherwise we only pass the hurt around in an endless cycle of pain and violence. Hurt and violenvce are the same thing. All that war is, is just another link in the cycle of violence. Forget about the distinctions we all make up in our heads like, soldior and civilian, citizen and president, or american and Iraqi. We are all JUST PEOPLE. we all luagh and cry, and hope and fear. We all have the potential to be loving or hateful. We are all the same. And what people mean when they say that war does not make peace is that war waters the negative seeds in the human spirit and makes them grow. War turns all our potential towards the things that cultivate suffering in the cycle of Karma. Non-violence is about using your inate perpensity for love, compassion and understanding to break the negative cycle and move things in a positive direction so that we can begin to build a world where we can prosper mutually and end all the resentment hate and fear.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Well Gandwere I am sure we would all love for that be true, but sadly enough that is a dream world. I do not mean it offensivly but that kind of utopia may never be obtained. For Saddam laughs as he kills off people, just as Hitler laughs as he gassed the Jews. We may not live in this peace while so much evil excists, thus war is required. Since we dethrones Hitler Jews have not been presecuted in that way, just as when we free Iraq they may live in peace. We are only trying to acquire a greater good, only problem is we go so low to achieve it. Beautiful thoughts Gandwere, I wish we could achieve it that way. But the moment we just sit and do nothing is the moment people like Saddam are allowed to do as they wish. No amount of non-action will make him stop, we tried, for 12 years. The only way for evil to take over is for good people to do nothing, I like that qoute, and in times of war it means alot. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 11:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 14407
War and violence can decribed as an external solution to an internal problem. Lets say we free the Iraqui people, they become capitolist and democratic, like us. So we've accomplished making more people in the world like us. How many Americans do you think are really happy? And by happy I don't mean, rich or superficially "free", I mean truely and genuinely happy. Studies show, not many. And its pretty obvious... excessive consumerism, obesity, drug use, greed, social and domestic violence... Yes, we're wealthy, and powerful as a nation, but what does it matter if all we feel on the inside is emptiness, disatifaction, fear and sorrow? And I can garuntee Saddam is an extreme case of the former, a suffering disatisfied being desperately seeking illusory forms of control and satisfaction. And I can also garuntee he thinks hes just as right as we are. Our perceptions of evil are all relative. So when I look at this situation all I see are lost, suffering people, on both sides, completly under the control of their own personal fear, delusions and anger killing each other out of ignorance and fustration. Yes, suffering is a part of life, but we make it so much bigger then it has to be with our own lack of insight. Violence, no matter how skillfully applied can and will not bring any real peace or happiness, only more suffering. People who commit violence are not happy people, and people who are the victims of violence are not happy people. I for one, don't want to see anyone suffer. But rather then resort to violence as a temporary solution to a permanent problem. I entrust in the power of undestanding and compassion as the only path to postive change and true peace. whatever religion you are, follow it and we will walk together. |
Date: 3/23/2003 7:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 27360
So by all means then Gandwere lets keep the Iraqi people under the rule of Sadistic Sadaam that way they dont become obese,drug abusers, greedy....  |
Date: 3/23/2003 11:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
hmm its odd how the british have free speech, enlightenment ideas were on the rise during the time of the revolution thus why freedom of speech was included in the constitution and it would have been sooner or later that the british had freedom of speech  |
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Date: 3/23/2003 11:00:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
but yeah i see where your going with this |
Date: 3/23/2003 3:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
I agree, great post  |
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