Date: 3/22/2003 1:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 51530
I say Cuba's not that far of a swim, so love it or leave it.  |
Date: 3/22/2003 1:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27403
Well, I just think that these Saddam lovers should have the opportunity to experience his close embrace first hand. What do you think? Love and Light  |
Date: 3/22/2003 2:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 53055
I've been hearing about these stories for a couple of days now. I knew Saddam was evil and had to be stopped, but these stories show he's inhumane.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 2:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27403
BloodStone, I think if more people knew about these horrible tortures, we would not be seeing all of this protesting. I, like many, do not like war. I also do not want to feel like America has to police the world. But, when one regime has caused this much suffering and terror, they need to be taken down. by someone big enough to take them down. And that seems to be us. War is never pretty, but sometimes it is the lesser of two evils. Love and Light |
Date: 3/22/2003 2:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
protesting a war and supporting a saddam are two different things.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 2:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 53055
That's very true, Lightworker |
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Date: 3/22/2003 2:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 53055
That's very true, Lightworker |
Date: 3/22/2003 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 14464
I agree with you. People do have their rights to beleive what they want, but if they believe we shouldn't do soemthing about him then they should go live with him and then tell us if we should have mercy upon him.  |
Date: 3/22/2003 3:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
LW, I could not agree with you more. All of these glorified whiners need to be censored from the airwaves. It's one thing to voice an opinion and quite another make a public spectacle of yourself. I have no desire to hear them and I'm sure that you don't either.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 3:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
why all this hatred towards those that are protesting???? (yes, i consider being told to live in exile with saddam hatred) .... jesus, i just don't understand .... what are protestors doing, other than thinking that the bush administration is making a bad call by jumping the gun ..... and not wanting war, no one is saying let saddam stay in power, what i am seeing from the protesting is lets work with the un (instead of it being an 'our way' or 'no way' deal) ..... *hangs head* ... i just don't understand .... |
Date: 3/22/2003 3:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 56910
you couldnt be more wrong. we don't support saddam, we disagree with the bush administrations handling of it. we should have this my way or the highwya attitude. work with UN so we can end this peacefully, and not with innocent men and women dying. I don't support this war, but i have respect for our troops, risking their life, for fascist dictator named george  |
Date: 3/22/2003 4:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
Yes, Saddam is a horrible leader and person in general. Yes, Saddam needs to be stopped and taken out of power. Yes, this could have been done peacefully. Yes, I support and respect our troups. No, I don't think "W" went about this the right way at all. There IS a big difference between being against the war and supporting Saddam. People who are protesting the war are not trying to say that Saddam belongs in power of any kind, they are simply saying that "W" should have worked more with the UN to try and deal with the situation peacefully instead of having a war mongering attitude and being all gung-ho about saving the oil. We all know that he is going to find and kill Saddam and put a puppet in to power in Iraq so that he can get a good deal on oil, thats been his business all of his life. So don't tell people to "go live with Saddam" simply because they don't want innocent people to die so that "W" can get a better price on a barrel of crude. ...  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 4:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
I hope I can clarify this a little bit here. The protesters I constantly see on the news make themselves look like bleeding idiots. What's the point other than to make themselves look just as foolish as they are. They can accomplish NOTHING. Why don't they put their time and efforts to better use to do something that matters to somebody. They are simply a nuisance and I think it's borderline obscene. If their relatives and friends are killed in combat, some of them disgrace their memories and the cause that they were fighting for. I'm over all of this liberal nonsense. It's time for everyone to grow a brain. Iraq 101: first day in class- the U.S. is the good guy here. Iraq is the bad guy. Which side are you on? They torture, torment, terrorize and murder civialians, we don't. Again, I ask you, which side are you on. We've finally halted their evil regime. Were we wrong in doing so? Can you really tell me that we were? |
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Date: 3/22/2003 4:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
It isn't the end result that people are unhappy with, its the way "W" went about it. Ther ARE more then two sides to this. It's not just "are you for the US or Saddam". People can be against Saddam AND agaisnt the war at the same time. |
Date: 3/22/2003 4:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Sexxxy protesters are ignortant fools. They just sit there and soak up the media and say, "NO DONT DO IT NO! NO BLOOD FOR OIL!" WE AREN'T THERE FOR ONLY YOU IDIOTS GET OVER IT. Is what surges through me when they are there yelling. They get violent, people get hurt. They aren't for peace, they are hypocrits! They over no suggestions just stop. Well we tried their way for 12 years. Now it is time for the USA to show their muscles and show we don't take bull from anyone, and we gave Saddam time, he refused. He wants the war, we gave it to em.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 4:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Z.P. it is just that we have tried these peaceful ways for too long. He will never leave no matter the force, and these protestors are only proving their ignorance when they do these things saying on tv, "Bush is the terrorist." "He is killing children" "No blood for oil". They only show how uneducated about these events they are. It frusterates me. |
Date: 3/22/2003 4:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Oh here we go again...anti-war=pro-saddam...once again protestors are lumped into one single category. War Protestors aren't 'Saddam-lovers' (at least I haven't seen nor heard of one that matches that description) as you say...and to think that is to show the very blind ignorant follish brainless mode of thinking the Pro-War people constantly accuse those against the War of.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 4:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
<-------- is an ignorant fool and an idiot. thank you for clearing that up for me, vital. *rolls eyes* |
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Date: 3/22/2003 4:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
VitalDeath...you state protestors are ignorant fools - hahaha...yeah, thats why last time I marched I saw people ranging from University Lecturers to Lawyers, solo-mothers to students, Fire Fighters to Army personel marching as well...nice generalisation. Not all protestors are violent or abusive or anything like that...but I'd bet thats what your country is being shown on the News...its called propoganda...show only those protests that turn nasty, discard those that don't. There have been literally thousands of protests around the World concerning this War...yes, thousands...the ones you see on the News that have become violent are the MINORITY. So who's ignorant now?? |
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Date: 3/22/2003 5:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
VD, you're missing the entire point f this post... the states that the people who are against the war are for Saddam, I simply stated that it is possible to be against both... |
Date: 3/22/2003 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
ok im lost, whats the debate?  |
Date: 3/22/2003 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Why is it that so many people fail to see the difference between protesting an unjust war and supporting a sadistic regime? The vast majority of those who protest the war (myself included) are quite happy to agree that Saddam himself is a brutal dictator, and does need to be stopped. What we dis-agree with is the use of war to remove him, as there will be a great amount of both collateral damage and civilian hardship and loss of life due to it.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 5:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
because tandris, we are idiots. pshh. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 5:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 56910
i agree zp, sexxxy, and tandris. |
Date: 3/22/2003 6:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
lol what a joke. Yes I would have to agree the people who go violent and stupid acts during protests are 'Stupid' (imagine that). ^_^ Anywho I am NOT for the war and Im NOT for Saddam. Simple as that. <---- did you read that last sentence NOT for SADDAM. I protest war... yes maybe I don't know the full details behind this war and I'm dam sure neither DO YOU! All I know for sure is that civilians die in wars (aka innocent people) I don't care if you try to minamise the amount it's still an amount. Last night on a news channel it said a building was bombed where the vice-president was suspected to be situated... Now this was a very large building and I'm sure our Military didn't send out warnings saying "all innocent inhabitants of this building leave except for the vice-president". Don't try and tell me he was the only one in an atleast 7 storey building. luv,  |
Date: 3/22/2003 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 57355
we are not supporting Saddam, we are supporting the Iraq people and to not have them kill senselessly killed and to stop a war that could bring a horrible conclusion. The world governmets should have sent assassins to kill saddam and his two brats.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 57355
oops, I meant to not have them senselessly killed. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 6:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 57355
And plus the people who cause the violence in the protest are not protesters, these people are part of a group called "The Anarkist" (spelt it wrong?) -Quetz. |
Date: 3/22/2003 6:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Free Speech, Free Opinion, Freedom of Association. It is all the same and they are all our rights. Simply because you do not agree, regardless of the material presented, means only that-you don't agree. If you fully enjoy your Constitutional rights, why should others not as well? THAT is ignorance. There is ignorance in the assumption that being against war is siding with Saddam. It is not. The act of war and an evil dictator are two very different things.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 6:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
quetz just because your anarchistic doesnt mean your agressive,vigilant or violent |
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Date: 3/22/2003 6:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 57355
I Know ,but they always are reported causing minor problems. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 6:50:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27403
SexxxxyPenguin, you and I are closer in what we think than you believe we are. I have read some of your posts. And I was against jumping into this without UN approval. And I really feel sorry for that one Dixie Chick because I, too, am from Texas, and have felt somewhat embarrassed by 'Ol George's six-shooter attitude. But, just as we went into Bosnia without the UN when we learned of the genocide there, I believe it is now or never for Saddam. We will never get UN approval with France being so totally dependent on Iraqi oil and good will. So why wait? So that Saddam can continue the genocide on the Kurds. So Saddam can continue to torture and kill those who oppose him. So that the sanctions can continue to demoralze and dehumanize the people of Iraq, simply because Saddam will not be honest with the world. The world, or the US, Australia, and England must act at some time. And now is a better time than most. Is it a good day to die? What would you be willing to risk your life for? As a woman, I have to be very careful and make that decision for "myself". What would I be willing to fight for? Because there is no cause that is great enough to give up a son or husband or father for; that is the way women feel. That is the way we are supposed to feel. But, if I take my men out of it, and say, Sherry, would you be willing to fight to help liberate these people, my answer would have to be yes. For to do nothing, to sit on the fence, to hide my face in the sand, is being pro-Saddam by omission. And proSaddam in any form is wrong! Love and Light |
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Date: 3/22/2003 6:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27403
Hi Pers! Try looking at it this way. If you knew someone was absing their child, and I mean serious child abuse, if you did nothing about it would you be aiding the abuse. There comes a time when the amount of knowledge we have of Saddam's reign either makes us oppose it or be a party to it! When the knowledge is there, we can no longer sit on the fence without that being considered aiding the enemy. love and Light |
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Date: 3/22/2003 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 57355
Oh wait, dont the cop in the protest start the aggression or prevoke the Anarchist or some of the edgy protesters? (and vise-vera) |
Date: 3/22/2003 7:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
lightworker ... if we are so close, then why i am being told to be exiled with saddam and his family .... see, i have no problem with thought out opinions (granted, i don't agree with you, but i can at least respect that) but, when i am told that i am (and i know not all these are your words) "unpatriotic", "whining", "cannot change anything", "idiotic", "unamerican", or should just "leave the country" i have to say that i'll get a little defensive and pretty much ignore just about anything that person says .... just so you can see where i am coming from.  ... having said that ... you do have some points ... i agree about france, but, at the same time, we had to tell U.N. inspectors to leave and quit inspecting so we could invade ... furthermore ... the logic w/saddam and his weapons are "well, if he didn't have anything to hide, why is he stalling and why won't he cooperate" ... and i do agree with that ... but at the same time, if the u.s. had proof of weapons, why not share them with the u.n. or what does the u.s. have to hide .... *shrugs* ... and to get back to the point of the post ... i am very afraid that the way that i personally feel would turn into anger towards those shouting out the same insults i just gave, and thus, really creating a divided nation to the point that it was in the same time of vietnam ... and sadly enough, i feel its only going to worsen in the future with korea possibly being next ... |
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Date: 3/22/2003 7:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
im with penguin, to be told to leave the country because your exercising your freedom of speech and showing your disapproval of bushs actions is total bull, i get told we have the freedom speech as long as we answer for what we say well why doesnt bush have to answer for what he does? |
Date: 3/22/2003 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 46565
Lightworker, Saddam is a horrible person yeah, he is a crazy evil dictator sure... I believe all that but guess what ... there are a many evil dictators (some the US supports currently) scattered throughout the world. The US even financially supported Sadamm in the 80's and supplied him with gas during the Iran/Iraq war to gas the Iranians because we did not like them (yes the US knew then what that he was using it against the Kurds too). But hey guess what there are more evil dictators out there oppressing their people... doing more evil deeds than Saddam... but umm because their countries aren't oil rich, we don't really show any interest. If we are going after Sadamm and invading Iraq and "liberating" Iraqis in the name of humanitarism then why aren't we in North Korea, Pakistan, Sudan, Nigeria, Chechnya, or Palestine?  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 7:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 57355
Sadly Neon is right, they are more evil dictators out there... |
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Date: 3/22/2003 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
I never said being anti-war is pro-saddam. That is ludacris. Being against a act of your government does not mean your for the opposing side. This is not a hot or cold, black or white situation. LoL Sexxxy I uh appreaciate the sarcasm. Many protestors are half informed fools. I just can't believe how IDIOTIC our nation is being. We HAVE to go to war. Bush could CARE less how the what...24% of our population feels right now. He could care less if 90% of the popualtion was against this war. He is doing because he knows it is right. I am just frusterated that these people are protesting with signs stating things that aren't even true. If you are an informed person that truly and honostly have looked over everything and decided on your stance, well then go ahead and protest, it is your right to do so. But don't go out there half informed and make a uh...donkey...out of yourself, that is all I am saying. |
Date: 3/22/2003 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I just don't understand why the protestors continue protesting at this time. They protested before the war started and I can understand this kind of protesting. I just do not understand what good would it do now that the war has started. The voice of the protestors were heard all over the world and it did not change Bush's mind. So why continue? What do they hope to accomplish now? The world heard them and know very well that they were and are against the Iraq war, so why not drop it? Their protesting was obvious overridden. There is nothing else they can do now short of causing destructive riots, unnecessary violence and deaths, which is what is going on now.  |
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Date: 3/22/2003 7:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Jestr is right, true anarchy is non-violent. Matrix, I am ignorant...ouch? Then why when countless reporters have gone out and interviewed people in the protests they have said ignorant uniformed things? Statements that have no backing. Maybe intelligent protestors are the minorities? And just because someone is book smart does not mean they are informed on certain topics. Why is it that we hear almost nothing of the thousands, yes thousands, of PROWAR protests going on? Is this part of this propaganda in our country you speak of? No, I don't think so. They are showing us the largest demonstrations, I know they are happening everywhere. The largest ones are not even in our own country, they only know what there government tells them. Yes, most protestors are ignorant fools. Some pro-war protestors are ignorant too. Many people are ignorant. Once you realize that you have less a hard time realizing why america is the way it is. |
Date: 3/22/2003 8:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
just becareful of what you call only 1/2 informed and make sure you listen to what people say before you call them idiots.  who knows, you might learn something .... my suggestion to you VD is to do some more research so you can support your argument better than "its the right thing to do" and calling protestors only 1/2 informed ... you'll get a little more respect. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 8:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
I do not get respect here Sexxxy because my opinion is not popular here. I have more to say than it is the right thing. Just as those protestors have more to say than just "War not peace!" Right? Be careful of who YOU called uninfromed. I am fine with being called that and ignorant, because I know I am not. I am sorry that I call I it like I see it, and that every protestors thoughts are not posted on the internet, they are posted on those signs. No one is calling for me to defend my opinion right now penguin. I do not see anybody defending not going to war, why should I defend going to war? How exactly do I sound uninfromed here? I have looked around and talked to many anti-war protestors, seen many sites, and a heck of alot of signs around the world and here in good old Arizona to see that no one has a solution but everyone has a problem. Sexxxy maybe if you supported yours a little more than, "Lots of people I have seen in my protests are educated lawyers." Than maybe I would believe you. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 8:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
LOL mispelling informed isn't the best way to sound smart is it...well I did not mean infromed, I meant informed, excuse the typos please. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Sorry that was Matrix who talked about the protestors, jeez I am tired right now. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
Protesters aren't idiots and I don't think anyone here ever really intended to say that they were. The truth is that they're foolish, nonsensical morons who take pleasure out of making a public nuisance of themselves. I hope that helps to clear thingss up. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 8:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Hey Franky whats the differance? lol. |
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Date: 3/22/2003 10:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Frank..Same difference, hey.. LOL |
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Date: 3/22/2003 10:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
lol rusure, but i am not for this war but protesting now is pointless, obviously bush could careless and now that the majority is backing him hes definatly gonna care even less not to mention they are turning violent, thats a hypocritical way to protest peace and like i said before its pointless because if we pull out its gonna cause a ripple of "uh oh" within the world |
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Date: 3/23/2003 2:26:00 AM
From Authorid: 21867
Frank...dude...bit of a insulting generalisation there "Protesters aren't idiots and I don't think anyone here ever really intended to say that they were. The truth is that they're foolish, nonsensical morons who take pleasure out of making a public nuisance of themselves." I protested here in NZ, didn't do it to be a public nuisance, nor did those in the large group I protested with. I'm alo hardly a foolish nonsensical moron...I don't think they give University Degrees to 'foolish nonsensical morons'...at least not in this country. Though, if you must count me amongst those 'foolish nonsensical moron' may I generalise you also and count you amongst the warmongering one-eyed knuckle-dragging inbreds?? |
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Date: 3/23/2003 2:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 21867
...and Frank...in case you have any questions on my reply, NO I don't consider you fit that description at all...just highlighting that when we generalise and smear an entire group on the actions (real or otherwise) of a select few, then we are prone to making wrongful judgements of all who fall within that group. Besides...I still like ya...even though ya a war...*kidding* |
Date: 3/23/2003 2:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
LOL @ Agent... 'the warmongering one-eyed knuckle-dragging inbreds'...Never heard it put that way before..LOL..sorry 'bout the snickerin', I think.  |
Date: 3/23/2003 8:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 21294
There is no punishment for these kinds of things that would be good enough. But final and sudden death to the people that commit them is a must. DreamWalker  |
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Date: 3/23/2003 10:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
lol agent-smith is right and that is really funny |
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Date: 3/23/2003 11:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 51635
Are we sitting on the "fence" when it comes to countries that allow the beating of women simply because they are women? YES. Do we continue to trade with those countries? YES. Are we gung-ho to replace the leaders there? NO. This whole thing is less about how the Iraqi people get treated then most people think and more about oil then "W" would like to admit. Does anyone realize that the two countries that are, right now, in violation of the most UN resolutions are Turkey and Isreal? Well they are. Are we going to replace the leadership there? Not any time soon... |
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Date: 3/23/2003 11:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 51979
Z.P. like many people have already said "It will not end in Iraq." I agree with that. We will take out all nations who pose a threat to peace. Somehow I do not see Turkey or Isreal as a threat. N. Korea on the other hand... |
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Date: 3/23/2003 11:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 51979
LOL Agent, yeah they can be bad, as I do regret generalizing all protestors, maybe I should say all "uniformed" protestors. But then I am generalizing again, jeez, we one eyed war mongers just can't win. |
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Date: 3/23/2003 1:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
wasnt WW2 supposed to be the war to end all wars? yeah look at history repeat itself wait we pose a threat to peace also with a warmonger in office |
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Date: 3/23/2003 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
Yes we do Jester... WWI was supposed to be the war to end all wars too, but then came WWII, and this is shaping up to be WWIII... It will NEVER end VD, never. Sad but true... |
Date: 3/23/2003 3:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
Good post..it makes it kind of hard for protestors to go against the US now....this post is exactly what the debate section has needed. GOOD hard core undeniable facts. How can anyone turn their backs on the US at this point? How can anyone dare say that what we are doing is wrong??  |
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Date: 3/23/2003 3:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
SExy Penguin....we TRIED |
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Date: 3/23/2003 3:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
sorry, accidently hit enter, as I was saying, we tried working with the UN...they are not even abiding by their OWN rules! Not only that, a few years ago with Clinton and Kosovo, we never had UN approval then and no one made a big freakin deal, so why now? And doy ou really think its fair to beat around the bush just a little more, sot hat saddam can kill more innoecent people. because thats just what he wants. time. |
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Date: 3/23/2003 3:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
The whole Iraq thing was on the back burner for 12 years, when "W" couldn't flush out OBL he decided to make something he could do a front page item, that being Saddam and Iraq... If we had been trying a little harder before now, I'm sure it could have gone a lot better... and if the US troups don't find the weapons that "W" claims Saddam has, what will the US look like then? .... |
Date: 3/23/2003 4:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 57225
people aren't 'sadaam lovers' just b/c they dont agree w/ war  |
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Date: 3/23/2003 5:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 17204
Im Z.P- They foudn those weapons. US coalition troops found what the UN hasn't been able to find, and they confirmed it. Saddam had a huge factory for Weapons of mass destruction. And I'll bet they find more. |
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Date: 3/23/2003 5:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
I watched an interview they had with Tommy Franks and he said he is positive they have WMD. When asked "Why doesn't the public know about these? He said "They will soon" It was obvious that he knew a lot more than he was telling us. |
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Date: 3/23/2003 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Well their you have it everyone, a 100 acre chemical weapons factory. Happy now? Justified and effective, I am proud to be an American. Bush made the right choice. It will never end while evil looms... Z.P. it is sad and true, but I believe this one is especially justified becuase of Saddam. |
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Date: 3/23/2003 10:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 46565
As of yet the chemical factory has not been confirmed as an active factory housing chemical weapons. |
Date: 3/25/2003 5:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 48809
The more I hear about Sadaam Hussein , the more his regime reminds me of the chilling atrocities of the Nazi's to the Jews in the second world war. I believe he is quite capable of whatever he is accused of. I believe when the lights are out and it is all over with , that we will hear of even worse crimes that Sadaam and his sons' have perpetrated. My deceased husband served in the second world war and was stationed in Germany. He brought home a pair of pliers that he said were used to pull out toenails and fingernails to elicit wanted information from reluctant GI's. He also brought home a lampshade that was made from human skin. His reason for bringing these ghastly things home was that unless people could see these things for themselves....they would NEVER believe that such things could happen.  |
