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what would you do

  Author:  61941  Category:(Debate) Created:(2/13/2003 8:49:00 AM)
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After reading some of the other USMers replies to some of the stories here i have one question for all of you who oppose the Military. What would you do if we were allowed to go on strike huh!!! How would you feel then with no protection from foriegn enemies, no protection from domestic enemies, how would you feel if that soldier on the side of the road for you, instead holding a rifle he's holding a picket sign, I'm curious i want to now how you would feel then, and be honest with yourself

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Date: 2/13/2003 8:51:00 AM  From Authorid: 15777    Grab a gun and fight for myself.  
Date: 2/13/2003 8:58:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    you and what army  
Date: 2/13/2003 8:59:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    thats what you say know but i garentee that wouldn't happen  
Date: 2/13/2003 8:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    Boofy, with gun-control laws you'd have to wait for a back-ground check before you could buy a gun and by than it would be to late..and anyway, a pacifist would be more likely to take the moral high-ground, grab a sign that says "make love, not war", while standing in front of an enemy tank.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:02:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    is that before or after they ramsack your home town murder your famlies for fun, and run you down with that tank  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 58611    69141-hon,don't take it so personally! Its not the soldiers or army that people are against! Its the idea of a war! You know that there would be a lot of chaos with out the armed forces and I am sure that we all respect and understand that! But without them we would do whatever was necessary I am sure, we couldn't be expected to just take it lying down.....  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:14:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    no you won't but a lot of Americans don't have the mental discpline to fight back, now i'm sure you would do what it takes to deffend yourself but to what cost, and how far would you go before you quit. And what is it about this war that everybodys concerned with, I'm going not you so what's the big deal right.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    My husband is leaving also, waiting for Turkey to approve the number of troops we want to send. What floors me about the reason people are against this war listed in no particular order are 1. Please don't harm the Iraqi children, 2. It's about Oil, 3. Bush is a member of the Skull&Bones club, therefore he is involved in some sort of sinister world domination plot, 4. Bush is stupid, 5. Bush is an idiot. I never see any concern about our troops listed as reason to be against the war, unless it is someone concerned that there 10 year old son will be drafted, despite there being no draft and if 10 year olds are drafted things would be pretty bleak for everyone...  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:26:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    Kelly do you know the sources of that info cause i would like to know where you got it. This is no ment to be offensive i literally wan to know.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 58611    So are you saying that we are lucky to have a millitary because we are all a bunch of idiots or what? I don't think Mental Discipline has anything to do with it, we do have brains ya know! And if you weren't going I am sure there are many civillians who would gladly take your place.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:32:00 AM  From Authorid: 61996    I feel your frustration & Just know that alot of people know the sacrifices you make to leave your family & go to war.I personally want to thank you & will be there in thoughts daily. **Pony Express**  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:33:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    Just look at any newspaper/television account of an anti-war demonstration and you will see plenty of examples of what I listed above.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:34:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    Did you mean where I got the source for why our troops haven't left yet?  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    how would you feel if you went to work one day and was asked to go to another country to go through caves that people who want to kill you might be waiting in. Oh and did I mention you're doing it for 58 dollars a day.

Think about who's really affected by war, what will you feel besides a gas bill?
  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:36:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    ok to answer your first question, no i honetly don't think i said idiot but hold on let me go check..... nope i didn't say that. to it does take mental discpline to charge an enemy machine gun postion, while their shooting at you, watching your buddies head getting blown off, runningup bayoneting the guy and blowing his head off at the same time, then regroup going back on patrol and making it like it never happened cause if you do your dead the next time around. Your telling me that don't take mental discipline or did you use your "brain" for that one to.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:37:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    51530, are you talking to me  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    If that was your question, it was reported on FOXNews several days ago, but also got it from the good old rumor-mill. We are in meetings with Turkey right now. I'm sure they'll let our troops in after the proper diplomacy is observed (i.e., money is thrown at them).  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:40:00 AM  From Authorid: 49742    My son is over there right now and I take it very seriously.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    It's not the ability to fight, it giving up your freedoms so others can have there's. It's being spit on by the same people who enjoy the prices of gas. It's being away from everyone you love for years at a time. It's never having a home again. People don't realize the toll a military life has on a person. Yes fight, we can all do that. But when? are you ready now? Everyone talks really big up until you board that C130, before that first round gose by your head, up until you se the people above you and under you with shapnal in there legs and back, up until a mortar round explodes feet from you and you lose your hearing for a week, up until after that week of deafness and sergery, Some top brass comes in and say I know what your feeling right now, gives you a purple heart and then to the next bed he gose. And above all when you come back main land again, the doctors say, well hope you got something lined up cause you can't be a soldier no more. You know what hollywood tells you listen to what a soldier won't.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 58611    I am jsut saying that I have faith in my fellow Americans as well as our Millitary...the way you put it though made it sound like we are all helpless...and yes, not just anyone could do the things you said, but give the proper situation I do feel like any average joe could do whatever is necessary to defend his house country or family. He may not have the skill as those who are trained for it, but definately the will.  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    but you don't find yourself in that position, we are thrown into it. you walk for days and day, nothing, then all of a sudden  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 61104    To be honest I would not care because if you were on strike that means that there is no war at least we have not waged any war on anyone else. There are always going to be enemies. Every country has enemies every person has enemies does not mean we have to kill them. The only reason these people keep coming after us is because we keep meking them angry by sticking our noses where it does not belong. We are the youngest country and we act as though we know everything and asthough we know what is best for every other country. Well you know we have all of these homeless and starving children and adults and abused children so let me tell you we r not perfect and we have no right to be telling people how they should run their countries whe we do not even know what to do about our own problems and that is my opinion on this subject. Blessed be!!!  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:48:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    i honestly wish i could be over there right now, my old unit deployed to kuwait last week and the only reason i'm not with them is because i choose to do embassy duty a month before all this stuff started happening, and now i can't leave and it makes me so mad that i have to sit here and watch on TV what's going on over there. I would give it all up, i would even give up my rank and pay to go there with my friends and fight with my friends, but i can't and even then i couldn't because my brother is over there right now and after the sullivan brothers incident i can't go. and if you want to know what that's all about then watch saving private ryan and you'll see.
  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:52:00 AM  From Authorid: 15228    So GothGirl, if you make your husband/boyfriend "angry" you deserve to be hit and shouldn't defend yourself because it's your fault???  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:56:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    Now Goth Girl, you are apposed to war, yet you relish in one of our greatess freedoms provided through it. Freedom of Religion. Now most of my tales will revolve around Afganstan for personal reasons. when we captured an area, the people would flood the streets to greet us, men would shave off their beards you see, most were muslim but not extremists, and when the taliban took control all other forms of religion were illigal, the penalty for practiing, or opposing. Public exicution. Now you would have people live like that? or would you do what you could to stop that from happening? just a thought  
Date: 2/13/2003 9:58:00 AM  From Authorid: 61104    No do not put words in my mouth. I did not say not to defend yourself I said we do not have to kill them. I think these problems could have been solved in some more rational way than going to some goddess forsaken country and blowing up rocks. That is all we did blow up rocks and incent people. My husband would never hit me he respects me more than that and we should have more respect for all of these inocent bystanders that had nothing to do with the things that go on because they did not choose to be poor or to be born and live in a third world country where their so called leader gets angry because we butted in.  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 61104    No I would not have people live that way but I would not want my family and friends to die and inocent bystanders to die because of the diferences in leadership. Yes I am against the war very much so!! I have an uncle in the military and a friend who is in the military and I do not want to see them have to leave there children wondering if daddy is going to be coming home or not. My dad was in the military and I cannot imagine loosing him in some war that i do not beleive is right. Our butting in is why this has gotten so bad as it is so you r saying lets go and but in some more so it can get worse instead of better. I think there has to be some peaceful way of handling this.  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    was it solved so rationally in Salem, MA? We ourselves as a country had gone through the same, the diffrence is our love for humanity over powers all else. And I'm sorry if you thought I was putting words in your mouth did not mean to do any such. Our goverment has prosecuted for belife in the past, and how would our lives be now if they never turned from it? Our government has never mass tourtured it's own civilians, deprived them of food, water, and education. I has not strapped explosives to children and sent them to go hung the American. What makes you think change would have happend, there for of the religion renounces change, and no other religion is allowed, already stated the penalty for that. the population is starved, into submission. the oposition is unfunded, has no re-supply. It's like if ther American revelution was to take place today and we had no weapons to speak of just rocks against tanks. Now I know what you are going to say, isn't that what america is today? Rocks against tanks? Well no that's Isrial (but that's another matter all it's self, how that government has not been brought up on war crimes amazes me) all I'm saying is the people I saw getting shot at, were shooting right back, and shot first. Our rule of engagement, yup that's right. We are not allowed to lock and load, till we are fired at!!!, not twards or upon, but at.  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:16:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    All they did was blow up rocks and innocent peole. 1. they didn't just blow up rocks they took out the the taliban and al-qaida men hiding in those rocks, and as for innocent people, i'm sorry to say there is no such thing as innocent people in war, also those innocent people your talking about killed American Soldiers and Marines yet their innocent. ok, so your telling us that we shouldn't go over there and kill them after what they did ok i can't see that but ok, but there not innocent from the day they woke up grab a gun, a bomb or any other weoponand attacked my fellow Americans. Oh no all that innocense went right outthe window  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    See that's exactly what the original post is about, the military gets a blunt of the blame, but the things we do have to be done. Now you say do it peacefully? like Clinton did? He ignored there weapons production, he cared about two things, his popularity ratiting and the second I can't say do to the G rating standard. The hard line facts are this. He swore to dissarm, he has done anything but, he's an aggrsive leader, has comitted Genocied on his own population and continues to. He uses food to surpress any uprise, when opostion to his rule manages to flee the country instead of being put to death, his seeks our the family and kills them. He's almost got a nuke, and do you think he will hesitate to use? It's not about little george and big george. Please read my post about this war being all about oil.  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    i was totally going to say that, but couldn't think of how to tie it into my last post, too funny  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:27:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    wow that's becuase i did say it, i read my own reply, woops, hey never discount for human era  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 28848    I'm not against the military. But I am against this war. We are making global enemies because of this. What happens if countries start deciding to band together against the US? What then?  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:50:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    trust me we have more allies then enemies, but if they do may their god have mercy on their souls for the dragon will awaken once again.  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:50:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    Making, what new enemy do we have?  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:54:00 AM  From Authorid: 51530    the russians won't committ, you know why? They have soldiers fighting 2 wars, The french??? ya they like us, the french never support us, why? because they belive when we fall they are the next superpower? now hmm the germans, ya how much of there total assets are used now to root out the terrorists from thier country? every week they finding another cell there. US and UK are the only two main military forces that can afford this war after Afganastan, but the leadership dosen't want to say that to thier citizens.  
Date: 2/13/2003 11:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 19772    All of you people who are not for this war need to remember one thing...9/11. Do you people forget those planes slamming into those buildings? Do you forget the thousands of innocent lives lost, not only in the buildings but on the planes and of the brave people who tried desperately to rescue them? But that's right we're not suppossed to talk about that anymore or even be allowed to show footage of that anymore because it depresses people. Well I say Who Cares! People should be reminded because it just blows my mind that there are some people who could have seen that and still oppose this war. For the first time in my life I feared for the safety of my fellow Americans and all of our Freedoms and ways of life. Iraq was asked to disarm not to boost Bush's ego or popularity but all of our way of life and he refused. He was told if he did not comply then war was sure to follow, he did not care. He's basically laughing in our faces. I say God Bless our soldiers and I for one wish them the best of luck in defending all of the things that most seem to be taking for granted these days. They keep us safe and keep us from running for cover every time we see a plane fly overhead. JMHO ~Gabrielle~  
Date: 2/13/2003 12:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 49742    It was mentioned that the French dosn't like Americans. Can someone educate and explain to me why they don't? I heard when american military troops were visiting there that american troops were treated poorly by the French by spitting on american troops and sticking their middle finger up at american troops. I was surprised and shocked when I heard. Due to my lack of knowlege of some countries and how they feel about Americans, I was curious why they have this reaction toward us?  
Date: 2/13/2003 12:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 49742    Gabrielle you expressed the same thoughts and questions I have had and felt. Thanks for expressing it soo well.  
Date: 2/13/2003 12:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 49742    Everyone has brought up some great thoughts and made some good points for and against.  
Date: 2/13/2003 12:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 61104    No Gabriell I have not forgotten 9/11 and I never will forget it. That is not something you just forget but do 2 wrongs make a right? I don't think so. They hurt us so lets hurt them sounds like grade school talk to me.  
Date: 2/13/2003 1:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 51070    I don't want to go to war and die! Period!  
Date: 2/13/2003 1:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 61104    Those of you who are so for this war what exactly do you think it is going to solve? I will tell you it will solve nothing!! It will just cause more and more violence. I do not hate the military I hate the government and how they think that killing is going to do anything except cause more killing.  
Date: 2/13/2003 1:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    that's the beauty of our all volenteer Army  
Date: 2/13/2003 1:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    woops, *military (istead of army) On a side note Goth, how were the gas prices today?
  
Date: 2/13/2003 1:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    http://unsolvedmysteries.com/usm324287.html Goth pls read this  
Date: 2/13/2003 2:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 57225    well..i'd be pretty scared,but i guess that they wouldnt be in the army if they had intentions on not fighting for the country.  
Date: 2/13/2003 3:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 61104    I said nothing about it being about oil. i said 2 wrongs do not make a right  
Date: 2/13/2003 4:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    you're missing the point, the point is it's un PC to belive in ther vertues of war, but everyone enjoys the pay offs of them. I know it's impossible to sway someones opinoin on such a matter proof of this, the war against al quadia had a 20% dissaproval. Some people just don't belive in it, but will you renouce the spoils also???? I bet not.  
Date: 2/13/2003 4:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 47296    To answer your question, if the military could and did go on strike, the first thing I would do is get together as many veterans as I could, take over the armories, and arm those who are capable and willing to fight. Next, along with those veterans, I would do what we were all trained to do back when we served, do our duty with pride, and tell those that did strike to pack their bags and find a new home. I served my time in the military. Part of that was with amphibious naval forces, hauling around fleet Marines. No Marine that I ever met would even consider the possibility of going on strike, let alone bring up a post such as this one. Those Marines that I served with could care less what the public sentiment was. They were Marines, and had a duty to do. Some of the ones I knew gave their life in Beruit in '83. You talk of charging a machine gun nest and all the other crap. Have you ever done or seen it? Do you really know what it is like to to see an arm in the rubble, go up to see if you can get the person out, and find there is no body attached? Wait until you see an APC laying on it's side smoldering, and you already know what the bodies will look like inside of it. Being an American serviceman or woman is an honorable profession. When one of those service people start believing that other Americans cannot make it without them though, then they begin to lose part of that honor. There are a lot of veterans that do not want to see this war happen. There are also a lot of veterans that know that today's military is only a shadow of what it once was. When all is said and done, if America's shores were attacked tomorrow, it would probably be those veterans that would be the best defense America has.  
Date: 2/13/2003 5:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    but do any of those vets doubt that this war is needed to hault a greater threat tomorrow?  
Date: 2/13/2003 5:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 47296    Many of those vets see N. Korea as the bigger threat. Some of them actually served in Korea. There is also a big threat from within the United States. It is called the erosion of our guaranteed Constitutional rights.  
Date: 2/13/2003 5:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 61104    I agree with warrior spirit on the constitutional rights thing. Completely  
Date: 2/13/2003 5:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 30051    Do you still need a diploma to get in the military????  
Date: 2/13/2003 5:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    Now goth thought you completly opposed to all war, just messing with you I know what you are saying. But back to Warrior, The fact that N. Korea has re risen it's nuke program, now Iraq is the same story, just diffrent sides to the world. If we found out 15 years ago they had restarted thier program what would Ronny Reagan had done? Now it's the same situtaion, Iraq is seeking weapons of mass distruction, and Bush is attempting to hold them to the agreement they signed in the first place, I blame this whole thing on Clinto ignoring our enimies and paying attention only to the Jews and palistinians, and what a job he did there.  
Date: 2/13/2003 7:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 24845    I completly agree with you. I wish I had thought of this. My point exactly. So many people want to think about picketing and protesting. The thing is these military personell have been fighting for US. The United States would be in some BIG trouble without these soldiers fighting for OUR freedom. It really gets my dander up hearing about how much people are against our defending ourselves and others that support our beliefs and our government.  
Date: 2/13/2003 7:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 24845    I think our "butting in" in the past has been pretty useful to other countries. I personally could care LESS If I ticked these stupid people that hate americans off. Who cares? They didn't care when they flew two planes full of INNOCENT people into the towers. They didn't care when they flew a plane full of perfectly normal people that were just carrying on their normal day to day activites into the Pentagon. AND they sure as heck didn't care when they flew a plane CHOCK FULL OF AMERICAN HEROS into the ground!!!!! So...if those that think standing in front of a tank with a cardboard and stick sign would make a point, I really don't see that happening. They'd run you over quicker than spitting at you.  
Date: 2/13/2003 10:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 55967    I respect the people in the military, but I have not seen any post or comment putting down our army per se. Perhaps you can show me one. Thanks. ~GypsyHawk~  
Date: 2/14/2003 1:59:00 AM  From Authorid: 13119    I am with Warrior spirit on this one, your post makes you sound like you are wanting glory. Soldiers do what they have to and do it without wanting kudos and recognition. I have to wonder if you really did experience all that you were talking about. As for the rule about not allowing 2 brothers go to a war it is a myth. Go to SNOPES.com and see. My 2 brothers are ground troops, my sister is also a soldier as am I. If we had to go somewhere we would. we would not even think of going on strike, that is a bizarre and not very realistic question. I have yet to see anyone putting down the military, the war effort yes but not the military. The American people have great pride in their military and all that they do.  
Date: 2/14/2003 7:59:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    Obviously some people didn't get my point and some actually got offended about this post and I really don't care. As for all that stuff i said about charging a bunker no i haven't done that, i was simply using that as an example, but yes i have seen my fellow brothers mangled and literally blown to bits, and it's the hardest thing to see. I've also talked to my father, who is a veitnam vet and he's told me stories of such. As for me no i'm not seeking glory and I can really care less about recognition and and all that honky dory bru haha. It's not for me. Yes Warrior spirit i can see some of your points, and would really appriciate it if you didn't imply that i was without honor. thats what i got from your response of so many words, if i'm mistaken please let me know. the reason why i wrote this wasn't for the fact of going on strike it was for a whole nother reason. If there was a strike i personally would not be part of it because i love my country and would gladly give my life for this great nation. what i simply tried to state by posting this was, if you look at at all the wars that America has been in up until Veitnam you would see that there is one big thing that America had that it didn't during Nam, and that was moral support from back home. If you don't have the moral support of your fellow countrymen being so far away from home doing something that it has sent you over to do, then you start wondering what your doing there, basically you lose moral and self pride within your unit, which could really make you or brake you. It make you feel like theres nothing worth fighting for. Now i'm sorry for posting this to all the military past and present who have read this and saw a problem with it but i'm sick and tired of hearing about college kids protesting and burning the american flag, some of y'all probaly don't believe me but i've seen pictures of such and have heard of such things from reliable people. The point of the matter is this The men and women of the U.S. Military is will never go on strike and never turn it's back on this country because we chose to do what we do what i'm simply trying to state is support us so we have something to believe in and something worth fighting for get over the Jane Fonda Syndrome and let us do our jobs which your TAx dollars pay us to do. If you have a Problem with the government fine but it has done more for you than you realize, go about your protest and all that but don't disgrace our country. And one last thing about the family thing it is true and not a myth, yes you can all serve during time of war and you can all fight in war but one it comes down to one you do have that option of going home early but it can be waved. I honestly don't care what all of you think of me after posting this. But please don't question me and tell me that I'm not a good Marine and cotradictme for posting this i'm just simply trying to make some people realize what they take for granted.  
Date: 2/14/2003 11:50:00 AM  From Authorid: 53052    you volenteered to do that job... your not doing it against your will or being forced by the goverment  
Date: 2/14/2003 12:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    and for this we are persicuted by the public at many times, when the government wages an unpopular war, who dose joe civilian point his blame at?  
Date: 2/14/2003 4:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 47296    Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but all that have served, did so that people will have hte freedom to protest or burn the flag, as well as all the other freedoms we know. Do I agree with burning the flag? No. I have one on a 20' pole in the center of a garden in my front yard. Do I agree with the protesters? Yes and no. Like so many of them, I do not agree with this war. I have my reasons. The fact is that our Constitution, that very document that you swore to defend, gives them the right to protest. One thing I do remember about the Vietnam years, is that a lot of the protesters were not against the troops, but against our government's policy concerning Vietnam. There were some who spit on troops and cursed them, but they were not the majority. Americans, as a whole, take things for granted because what they see is all they have ever known. They do not know what it is like to live in a place where you do not have the freedom to speak your mind. They do not know what it is like to live in a country where the women walk behind the men, and are often cloaked. They have never faced the possibility of sitting in their living room and having the government come crashing through their door to arrest them. That does not mean it can't happen though. The way things are going right now, a lot of Americans are afraid that they will lose their freedoms, and have to face the possibility of a government that has turned on it's people. It is not the military that they dislike, but the way our government is doing things. The military is only a tool to that end. The thing is though, as long as the military remembers it's oath of enlistment, and lives up to it, then the people will never have to worry about their freedoms.  
Date: 2/14/2003 10:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 51530    let them spend one month in Afganastan and see how those people live and then ask them if their government didn't need to be taken out of power  
Date: 2/15/2003 3:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 47296    51530, I can think of a lot of countries where people could go and they would see life a lot different than they do now. China would be the perfect example. Slave wages, no voice in government, fear of reprisal from the police and military, as well as a limit on the number of children you can have. However, I do not see us lining up to go into China and take out their government. In fact, China is a major trade partner. The fact is, we use force when we feel we can get away with it, and use trade and diplomacy whenever force is not possible.  
Date: 2/15/2003 7:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 61104    Yes maybe their government does need to be taken out of power but are we the ones that have to do it? They may not realize it but they outnumber their government and they could overthrow it at anytime but they have not why should we be the ones to do it for them. Do honestly think that they would do the same for us I do not think they would. Those people hate us whether you realize it or not. They were celebrating when they flew into those towers and kiiled all those people. Why should we go and but in to help people who celebrate when so many of us died. They will just have a big party everytime they kill one of our troops.  
Date: 2/15/2003 8:45:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    I definetly agree with warrior spirit about china i've been here for going on 9 months now and you wouldn't belive the thnings i've seen and the way they live is just wrong. And as for goth girl if we don't who will, believe it or not but it's the rest of the world looks for the united states to solve a problem, mainly so they don't have to and we don't mind doing it.  
Date: 2/15/2003 10:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 42945    I'd like to feel that I was being protected, I think that everyone is feeling scared at the thought of this impending war, we know something has to be done about terrorism and the such, but on the other hand all the innocent people that will suffer worries the heck out of me...I dont oppose any of the forces...every country has to have them and to answer your question about going on strike....NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! we have to have our forces!!!!!hugs Zema  
Date: 2/16/2003 5:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 61104    Of course our government doesn't mind doing it because they are war mongers.  
Date: 2/18/2003 6:54:00 AM  From Authorid: 13119    I find it simply amazing that some people here cannot see how their pathetic sarcasm hurts their cause. I enjoy reading this post because the author is well thought out and the replies are well thought out. They may differ incredibly and they definitely have the passion but for someone to come in here and attack a certain individual for their comments is beyond stupid. I respect everyone's opinion and can understand the amount of pride in your country, to have all those negative thoughts and opinions that others hold about Americans brought true by one arrogant individual is sad. This is why people think the way they do about Americans. I am happy that I have had the ability to meet some absolutely awesome Americans that have shown me that this person is an exception not the rule.  
Date: 2/18/2003 10:45:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 61941    just out of curiousity are you talking about me.  
Date: 2/24/2003 6:39:00 AM  From Authorid: 13119    No I am not, I listened to your arguements and thought they held validity. I was referring to an ignorant person who attacked another member with sad sarcasm.  
Date: 2/24/2003 8:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 13119    sorry, had to run. Anyway, although I may not agree with the way you presented the question, I still find you to be true to yourself and not needlessly attack others. To try and degrade another is NOT the sign of intelligence, its a sign of poor self asteem and lack of intelligence! Here is the comment........Midnighty, how kind and compassionate you are to point that out to the author that he voluntered for the job, that was really a light bulb moment for him I bet, Wow! He volunteered for it! And here he probably was thinking he was drafted. I'm left breathless and in awe..  
Date: 4/3/2003 8:49:00 AM  From Authorid: 34487    Awesome post. It's very true because as Americans we've always had freedom. Therefore, we take if for granted sometimes.  

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