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Date: 12/26/2002 2:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 59861
i'm part christian, and the answer is a bug fat NO. in thsi relegion, god is the only one who is allowed to heal. you can pray for him to help heal, but a christian.catholic prayer is alot different from a pagan or wiccian prayer. i do spells though, and they work, believe me. if you are considering doing this, be carefull!! but spells arent supposed to even be real as told by the bible. (dont have the verse, but i can look it up 4 u). i do spells and they work and i only do them because i dont want to have to rely on someone else to help me. (i'm not sure god exists) g2g. +sl+  |
Date: 12/26/2002 2:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
I wouldn't really consider praying as doing a spell. Under definition a spell is words or formulas that produce magic and in prayer we ofcourse use words-John16 4-...ask, and ye shall receive.. But it's not the words themselves that are what manifest the results, it is God. We are simply laying our requests upon God and it is up to Him whether to grant it or not. And about Catholic customs I don't know about-as a Born-again Christian I don't do the rosary or pray to Mary or saints. I pray to God Himself, through Jesus the Son.-Chi-Girl  |
Date: 12/26/2002 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 61104
I do not think so but as far as Catholics go i was one and it is very close to paganism. It shares a lot of similairities. *Gothgirl*  |
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Date: 12/26/2002 2:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 61897
I agree with Gothgirl. -Chi-Girl |
Date: 12/26/2002 5:05:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
+Sl+ I'm a wiccan so I do know the ins and out of spells lol! Actually no by definition an act of magick or spell is putting energy into something to get a desired effect. So praying (saying words to the god you believe in) is energy, and whatver you are praying for is the desired effect. Therefore it is energy. Yeah I do agree catholicism is VERY closly related to paganisim   |
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Date: 12/26/2002 5:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
oh yeah and chi-girl I do agree that if one is gonna be christian you might as well follow the christian ways (as I think personally catholics dont by some of their rituals.) If I were christian I would pray to Jesus and God (or are they the same?) and only them. Thats the only form of magick I would do |
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Date: 12/27/2002 7:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 61897
Wow, even though you're Wiccan you know it is to God through Jesus ONLY that we should pray to. God consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit=). -Chi-Girl |
| Date: 12/27/2002 7:37:00 AM ( Admin-JGB ) I think there are a lot of terms used in each different religion, that do essentially mean the same thing... It's truly interesting what is in practice and what meaning things have now versus two thousand years ago, or more... |
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Date: 12/27/2002 8:08:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
no I know that thats who christians believe they should pray to |
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Date: 12/27/2002 9:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 61897
Yeah, I meant it in a Christian sense, since people say Catholics, Lutherans, etc., etc. are Christian based. -Chi-Girl |
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Date: 12/27/2002 9:56:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
lol ah okay |
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Date: 12/27/2002 9:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 61897
;d |
Date: 12/28/2002 11:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 57105
Well, I'm not catholic, so I don't know many catholic rituals, but I am Christian. In the Bible it says that soothsaying, divinating, sorcery are all sins, so I'm pretty sure spells go under those categories. Praying is not a spell, because when you pray to God, or pray for somebody you aren't doing a ritual with a candle or whatever, its just you and God talking. Praying for somebody to be healed is not the same as doing a spell in order to heal somebody. The power of prayer comes from God, but a spell comes from a person.  |
Date: 12/29/2002 10:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Praying is not majic, its using ones words to tap into the power of God and only God can determine if His power will go out at that time or not.  |
| Date: 1/3/2003 7:24:00 AM From Authorid: 57910 Praying isn't a spell. You are asking god to do a spell for you, but you aren't doing one yourself. |
Date: 1/3/2003 7:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Praying isn't a spell..it is simply asking God for something through faith. It is He that will determine if it is right for you and will give it to you if He thinks you're ready or he can say no and if so, it is His jusdgement that it is not meant for you, or he can say wait. All things happen in God's time, not ours.  |
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Date: 1/4/2003 2:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15675
Savannha rose the way you explained that is exactly the way magicians believe spells go about their ways. Yes praying is a spell/magick and i already explained how, lol most christians dont study magick so you can not tell me its not a spell and just leave it at that. Why isnt it a spell? Please explain how. |
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Date: 1/5/2003 9:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 61104
First of all Firstborn it is spelled m-a-g-i-c-k. Second of all my freind angel2001 does not beleive that praying is a spell because in Christianity it is a way of communication with God. But personally I beleive that it is very similar to a spell. I do not like to use the word magick in this case because a lot of Christians have their first thought of magick to be something they see on stage performed by a magician and that is all illusion. What Wiccans do is a spell in which they are hoping for a certain outcome which is basically what christians do when they pray. *Gothgirl* |
Date: 1/21/2003 3:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 58030
*whispers to goth girl anyone who knows anything about magick knows that magic spelled like this (magic) usually signifies stage magic and magick like magick means the belief of religion, although i do believe that prayer is a form of magick because if you think about it when you do magick you are apealing to higher powers to deem you worthy of your "wish" is that not what you are doing when you pray (apeal to god to grant your "wish" ~*moonstorm*~  |
Date: 2/12/2003 11:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 50678
You are right about the evil thing in the bible, see Christians believe that witchcraft is evil and if you do it you will go to hell but that isn't true, Christians can do spells, but it is what you believe if you believe in everything in the bible then that means you believe witchcraft is evil, it isn't, well only if you use it for evil, if you care a true witch like me you will know that you can't cast a spell on another in less they say you can or if it is to help heal them. They are not really spells but they are rituals, if you think about it Jesus did witchcraft, he healed people and walked on water that is witchcraft just many Christians don't believe that. You can do spells just stay away from black majic and if you feel bad about doing them but you want to just pray to God and ask him to forgive you, God understands and believe it or not before there was Chrisitianity almost everyone was Pagan or Wiccan, so it is ok, but you have to follow your heart and your desires.  |
Date: 2/12/2003 11:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
exactly. praying is the same thing. magick is magick and it all comes from god. magick/spellcasting is simply prayer. ask and ye shall receive if the faith is strong enough.  |
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Date: 2/12/2003 11:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
chi girl i don't think pagans believe it is the word itself that manifest anything either - your description of prayer and god is exactly what is going on in a pagan 'spell' too --there is no formula, a spell doesn't have to even be spoken - it doesn't have to be anything other thank 'thinking' to god what you want. it is the faith that causes it to happen, faith in god making it happen - not words. words help some people focus. meaning it helps them 'think' they're casting spells when all they are doing is asking god and receiving. all magick works through god. prayer is magick. prayer is what a pagan does as well. and IMO kaja when talking about energy being a part of a spell --well, energy = faith. the stronger your faith the stronger your personal energy --mine is so strong i have to be very careful what i wish for. |
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