Date: 12/17/2002 2:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 53478
I think that interesting. More people die from alcohol related instances than being high on marajuana. I feel that if the more dangerous of the 2 is legal then they should both be legal. IMHO!  |
Date: 12/17/2002 2:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
NO! Okay, they preach to kids NOT to smoke pot and now they are gonna legalize it?? This is a death trap waiting to happen. Lets see the numbers soar of the people who will be killed by people smoking pot and driving in the years after this is passed. Whoever proposed this idea, needs to wake up and needs a good slap in the face! This is such a horrible bill. . *Belle*  |
Date: 12/17/2002 2:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
Actually Spyke that isnt totally accurate since there are no tests so far that can prove that someone is driving under the influence of marijuana..so really..the statistics arent accurate..  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
I agree Belle..I think it will be interesting to see how the statistics change for the worse..Here I am telling my kids to stay away from pot and telling them the dangers to it..and then some bill may be passed legallizing it, therefore tellling my kids that all these years I have been lying to them, and since it is legal it must be ok..ugh!! |
Date: 12/17/2002 2:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
it adds alot more with tax dollars.. us(canada) is looking at Amsterdam as an example... if you notice they have legalize pot for the past 30 odd years now.. they have a low drug/crime rate...alot of thought had been put into it  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:15:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
Oh Tax dollars..thats another thing!! I wonder what kind of tax will be put on it, since it is not something that will be sold in stores?? I mean..we all know that it is HOME grown..They arent talking about selling it in the stores like you do alcohol and tobacco. |
Date: 12/17/2002 2:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Lady Luck is right, A cop is not stupid and if they think that you are under the influence of any kind of substance you get the standard sobriety test. If you fail the sobriety test and they give you a breathalizer and you pass it. That doesn't mean that you get off. Instead of DWI you get DWAI which is what is given to people that have accidents or are stopped because they took a medication or something impaired their ability. Most first offense DWI charges are dropped to DWAI. They may not be able to say with 100% certainty that you are high, or strung out on coke, but they KNOW you are under the influence of something and can charge you with such..  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
EXACTLY Azairyia!! Thank you for saying that SOOOOOOOO much better than I could!! LOL |
Date: 12/17/2002 2:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Many people smoke. Many people drink. They are both legal. Not everyone does this, they are free to make their own choice. The same is true of smoking Marijuana. People who smoke Marijuana are far less likely to drive, they mostly just lie back and watch tv, or something similar. There is very little impulse to get up and move about, or do anything active at all. There are tests that can be done to locate any Marijuana in the system of a person, the same as any chemical substance.  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
LOL..Tandris YOU may just want to chill after smoking a joint, but when I used to smoke it..years ago, it made ME hyper and want to be on the go constantly!! Everyone has different reactions to different things.. |
Date: 12/17/2002 2:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 36766
well I think the crime rate would go down if it was legal...I think ima move to canada now  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
Tandris, SOME people may be like that, but not everyone. My father smokes pot and he usually just lays around the house but he can become abusive when he's doing it. I had a cousin die from driving and smoking pot, luckily, he didn't kill anyone else while doing it. Everyone will have a different reaction. Some better than others. |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
Sure the DRUG crime rate may go down, but other crimes will go up..Like killing someone while under the influence.. |
Date: 12/17/2002 2:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
For some time I have been convinced that pot should be legalized. It could then be taxed and regulated. I do not advocate taking drugs. The money that is currently used for the prevention of pot could be used instead to deal with the problems and victims of drugs. Tax revenue generated from another sin tax could help offset other taxes..  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Tandris, they can test you for a drug but they cannot say whether you are infact at that time under the influence of the drug. Mj tests positive in the urine for up to 30 days. I can take a test tomorrow and fail it for a joint I smoked 2 weeks ago. The hard core drugs stay in the system for up to the 3 days. So I can snort some coke today and two days from now test postive for it but no longer be under its effects. There is no effective method to test what the person is directly under the influence of at the time. They can speculate about what it is but they can't say 100%. Alcohol, yes because of it's breakdown pattern in your bloodstream, but as far as the others, they can't tell. |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Lady Luck it makes my aunt the same way. She cleans her whole house from top to bottom right after she smokes.....then she crashes and sleeps for hours...LOL... |
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Date: 12/17/2002 2:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
LOLOL..that was me Azairyia..I can remember raking blueberries right after smoking a joint..I would go like a madwoman for a while..then just drop!! |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
Geez, I wish my father would clean the house while he was high. He gets abusive..physically and verbally. |
Date: 12/17/2002 3:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 48989
im canadian. i dont smoke any of that stuff tho but i say go 4 it. they know ppl are doin it anyways and sometimes u just cant stop ppl from doin what they want. atleast this way they are putin a limit on it. Canada's only worry is that the US might cut trade relations with them if this bill passes. Im not sure whats been thought of or being done about that tho.  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
Awwww Belle, that bites..I dont smoke it now..havent for MANY years..Neither does my husband..Its just not something either of us is interested in now.. |
Date: 12/17/2002 3:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 53314
OH MY CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD YOUR AUNT CLEANS THE WHOLE HOUSE WHEN SHE'S HIGH!!!! HOW TERRIBLE BAN IT BAN IT! You talk about the people being killed in driving accidents and such, First off it was found that only 3% of all teens had smoked pot within the last month and as teens are usually the most destructive drivers and the ones to drive under the influence of alcohol you can eliminate a LARGE portion of accidents. You talk about the people being killed by someone driving under the influence of pot, What about all the millions of Americans killed by cigerettes?Isnt it worse that there's a product already legal that leads to substantially more deaths? People smoke cigarettes under there own will ,The same should go for Marijuana If you let alcohol and cigarettes be legalized why not Marijuana??One Argument usaully use to thwart the hope of legalizing Marijuana is that it could bring new youths to try it and then since Marijuana is a gateway drug We will have nation of junkies. This argument is no more as good as th first one Because acohol is out there and not everyone Drink Giving us an example of a potentially dangerous Item that is controlled.  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
Rowley, well first of all..Your first sentence that you YELLED at us was rude and uncalled for..this is a DISCUSSION where everyone has an opinion and I would appreciate it if you would not disrespect those that chose to reply here as well as myself..thank you..As for the rest of what you said..You have made some excellent points..but when I think of marijuana I DO think of it as a gateway drug..It leads to bigger and harsher things..not for all, but for a great many..I have SEEN first hand the affects of JUST marijuana on people..Its not a pretty sight..But you are right about the cigarettes and alcohol.. |
Date: 12/17/2002 3:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
I live less than 30 miles from the Canadian border, so moving wouldn't be THAT difficult...lol. I'll be curious to see if this bill passes!...  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
LOLOLOL...Ali..so you will be in Canada eh?? Any chance of driving towards the Maritimes?? :P:P |
Date: 12/17/2002 3:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 38683
Eeep! I hope that is isn't legalized up here in Canada! :S  |
Date: 12/17/2002 3:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
I was sure back in the seventies that it was close to being legal then....that was thirty years ago...don't get your hopes up, LOL.  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
LOLOL..KC hon I am getting my hopes up that it ISNT made legal! :P:P |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
I might be moving to Canada too Ali.... |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Hockey players, Mounties, free health care and now legalized dope? What the heck am I waiting for????... |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Groovy, KC. We could be roommates, man... |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
Hey Ali..You forgot something!! *I* am in Canada! What are you waiting for?? heehee |
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Date: 12/17/2002 3:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 56293
Rowley, I understand what you are saying..but, does that mean we should legalize, cocaine, extacy and everything else?! Since pot should be aloud??? |
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Date: 12/17/2002 4:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
Does Canada really have free health care? |
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Date: 12/17/2002 4:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
LOL..yes Bob we do..we dont pay anything to visit the Dr. or for hospital stays or surgery..We do pay for Dental and Optomitry (sp?)..as well as things like plastic surgery if it is just cosmetic..things like that...but basic health care is free..thank goodness!! I have four kids..LOL |
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Date: 12/17/2002 4:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Hear that, KC? LL is offering to put us up in her igloo! Yeah!... |
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Date: 12/17/2002 4:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 33925
Yep and I will even get hubby to build an extra room or two for you! You want bear skin blankets or deer hide?? :P:P |
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Date: 12/17/2002 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
Wow!!! When I retire, I might have to move to Canada. What with the exchange rate and free medical..... I could probably retire in only about 300,000 years. |
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Date: 12/17/2002 4:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Ali and I can share a room... |
Date: 12/17/2002 5:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 30051
I am Canada bound!!!! Let me know when it passes  |
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Date: 12/17/2002 6:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
Bear skin, please. Will it be polar? Ok, KC, but if you snore you're sleeping on the frozen sofa... |
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Date: 12/17/2002 8:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Rowley YEP that is right MY AUNT SMOKES..the woman is also 43 years old has had two hip surgeries and has spinal arthris in her lower back. Her second hip replacement caused major nerve damage to the point that she is on anti flammatory medication and methadone for the pain. She takes 3 methadone a day, with the last one wearing off at about 2am. She refuses to resort to getting up in the middle of the night to take another methadone, self increasing her dosage and distrupting her sleep for several hours until the pill kicks in, when she can smoke a joint, clean her house and fall sound asleep with no pain through the night without getting herself hooked on painkillers that she needs to walk, sit or lie down for any extended period of time. I dunno about anyone else but I think I would much rather smoke a joint every night than pop a bunch of pills that are the equivelant of herion and at the rate that methedone is sold on the street would probably in reality be a LOT cheaper to do these days. But hey that is just me.....LOL |
Date: 12/18/2002 7:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 55297
YES YES YES YES! i'm gonna move to canada!  |
Date: 12/18/2002 7:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
i'll be moving to canada LOL - i hope we get similar legislation here in the states soon. i'm for canada doing this because one, they're close to us - hopefully influencing our own govt.'s ideas about it - and two, if it works and no negative things happen because of it, yet another plus for our own country to pass such legislation  |
Date: 12/18/2002 7:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 28946
I guess it doesn't affect me personally anymore. I know it is supposed to help alot of medical conditions and that will be a good thing to have it ready available. I'm too far from Canada though.  |
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Date: 12/18/2002 8:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 41067
Ok, I'll give you that, it does affect people in different ways, I'm just going on the experiences I've had with myself and every other person I know who's done it. If you've had other experiences with it (ie people going hyper) then fair enough, good point. As for the testing, it is possible to be done, because as Azairyia said, you can be booked for suspicion, and then if the drug is present it can be upped to the full under the influence charge. |
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Date: 12/18/2002 8:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 53314
Social slacker, There is an obvious difference in Marijuana and Ecstacy(And more of the Extreme drugs).Ecstacy KILLS people. I mean that leads to another argument For Marijuana, It will Be a deterrent from rave drugs. People know Ecstasy is dangerous, And If they could smoke Marijuana legally I think they would chose Marijuana over it. |
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Date: 12/18/2002 9:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Tandris but the only thing that they can test for is the concentration of the drug. Now they know that it takes 3 days to disipate from the system if it something like heroin or cocaine. But Marijuana is 30 days. Now I would suspect that if you smoke a joint a day that your level of THC that will be found in your body is bound to be at a level point, because doing it once a day you are never allowing your body the time to filter it out. In other words I could smoke a joint at 3pm and at 7pm be pulled over, given a blood test and found to have a count of 1.0 for THC in my body. THAT 1.0 could be normal for me if I am a daily or habitual smoker. 4 hours ago when I initially got high my level could have been only 1.5 while I was under the influence of it. So if you are following along with me, they have to develop some kind of test that is going to have to be done from long term study including people from all walks of life from the occassional to heavy smoker. Other than that they can't set proper blood levels that would consider a person to be under the influence. I can spot someone that is high 20 feet away and cops usually can too. For the time being making it legal they would have to carry on as usual . If they suspect they will give you the standard sobriety test you know stand with your feet together head back, touch your fingertip to your nose....etc. If you fail that and they give you a breathalizer and you don't blow for alcohol they know that you under the influence of "something" and will charge you with DWAI, which is a lesser charge than DWI. What I do find sickening is those people that say they drive better when they are high. It effects your motor skills and in most people slows them down, so if someone's kid runs out in front of you, no matter how well you think you can drive, your reaction time getting your foot to the brake is not going to be equal to the reaction time you would have if you were not high. My husband's Uncle is Captain in our local police department, he will tell you there are two things that stick out like a sore thumb to them and tells them that a person is either drunk or high driving their car. They are driving FAR below the speed limit, and generally driving through the city where there are street lights, they tend to forget to turn on their headlights....LOL |
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Date: 12/18/2002 2:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
canada i know has looked alot towards amsterdam with this issue amsterdam has had it legal for years they have marijuana coffee shops where you can go in and get a joint... no big deal...and thier drug and crime rates are fairly low.. and thier teenage drug use rate is about half of what the US's is(they posted all the stats on the tele a few days ago) |
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Date: 12/18/2002 6:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Good point Azairyia, I will stand corrected on that one ;-) I do feel it should be legalised, but you are right in that there should be ways to ensure it is not used recklessly, just as with alcohol. |
Date: 12/23/2002 7:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
I think it will cause more problems than it is worth..  |
