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Date: 11/24/2002 7:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 59214
It should be legal. On these terms: 1. The child is product of rape. 2. It is in a stage before it is considered an actualy 'child' (before it is developed mentaly) end.  |
Date: 11/24/2002 7:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
Did you know that in Japan abortion is a regular occurance, It's used more than the pill. The pill was only recently introduced into Japan and hardly any women have taken it up preferring abortion as a use of contraception (even though it really isnt). Personally I beielve it is up to the women who is pregnant I dont think it should be illegal.. it will be on the persons own head. luv,  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 54621
But the baby can feel after 10 days of being conceved.. why dio that to them? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 59214
I agree with Eclipses. If the gov. regulates this, soon they'll start more, and more. It's our lives, we're the women. 50-year old men in Congress should not decide for us. |
| Date: 11/24/2002 7:40:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 54621 Yes that is true, but you do understand that they are only hurtin themselves in the end.. not only physically but mentally also.... |
| Date: 11/24/2002 7:41:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 54621 But women continually take advantage of abortion... |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 59214
Yes. But either way, its her choice to make. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 59214
I g2go to bed. School 2morrow. Ugh. Goonight, go point Author. TTYL. Love all. Aloha oe. |
| Date: 11/24/2002 7:42:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 54621 yes i know.. i jsut dont see why it has to be that way. There are millions of couples who cant have children... Those aborted babies could have had a chance |
Date: 11/24/2002 7:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 54621
good night and thanx for your input |
Date: 11/24/2002 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 55689
For cases of woman going for abortions over and over again there could be a fixed number of times they should b allowed to do it.. I think it should only be allowed when it is a baby due to rape or incest or if the mother is sure she cannot provide for it even though she should have though about this before  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 55689
For cases of woman going for abortions over and over again there could be a fixed number of times they should b allowed to do it.. I think it should only be allowed when it is a baby due to rape or incest or if the mother is sure she cannot provide for it even though she should have though about this before |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 55689
oh sorry for the double post.. |
| Date: 11/24/2002 7:46:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 54621 Night Sent, I totally agree adn actually that was goint o be my plan.. there should definaltly be a restriction on the number of times |
Date: 11/24/2002 7:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
the brain doesn't form until the 5th week.  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 54621
hehe thats ok |
| Date: 11/24/2002 7:49:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 54621 in SOME cases |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
I see what your getting at, but it is the individuals choice it is their life they have to deal with it in their own its there choice. We can not make the descion for them, for its meant to be a free country you shouldnt force a women to have a child. You said there are millions of couples who can't have children but you need to look at the other side of that comment aswell. There are millions of women having children who shouldnt be, women who will not look after the child who will mal nourish a child and beat their children, personally I'd of rathered that women had an abortion. Also the world is greatly over populated soon we won't have enough food to feed the children being born. love, |
| Date: 11/24/2002 7:54:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 54621 What did women do 200 hundered years ago? They kept their babies no matter what situation they were in... Its not a case in where the mothers shouldnt have the bay, they just need to learn to live with their mistakes.... |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
But why should the baby have to suffer because of the parents mistake. There are cases where a child dies because of excessive abuse, what a life that child must of had. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
in ALL cases |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
yeah live with the mistake and punish the kid for it. great idea. |
Date: 11/24/2002 7:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 51531
Every woman that I know who had an abortion, feel guilty about it and regrets having one. Why do you think that is? Hmm...maybe b/c she's a murderer!!! I've studied up on abortion. Before then, I thought it was okay but now that I know more about it, I believe that a woman should UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES have an abortion.  |
Date: 11/24/2002 8:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 54621
Well at least someone agrees with me... Oh well guys.. Im goin to bed now.. School in the mornin ...Thanx to everyone for their input..TODDLES!Shayna |
Date: 11/24/2002 8:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 36901
I don't agree with abortion either except in special circumstances such as the ones already mentioned. I do believe, though, that it's the woman's choice. Well, I do believe the father should have a say (but not when it concerned rape, incest, etc...).  |
| Date: 11/24/2002 8:15:00 PM From Authorid: 59056 i think a woman should have a choice, its her body, and i also believe if u have sex u should deal with the consequences but woman should still have a choice. makin it illegal isnt a good idea. its the year 2002 people should have more choices for what they want in their life. |
Date: 11/24/2002 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Before it is considered a "child", "its her choice to make", " the brain doesn't form until the 5th week", All, in my opinion, are arguments of comfort. I think that inside each of use, DEEP inside, we all Know the answer to a "moral" question such as "abortion". "Choices"?? Pills, diaphrams, condoms, foams, patches, timing, surgical procedures, abstinence and others I'm sure I missed. Do we really need "abortion" as another "birth control" choice?? Did we "exercise" our "choices" prior to conception?? I can't help but believe that all life, especially "human" life made in the image of God warrants reverence right from the get go. Who are "we" to pick a point in time when a life warrants acknowledgement. Abortion is a choice I have never faced, and I thank God for that. It's a tough subject and it strikes at our "moral" character...can we ever say that going into the womb of a woman and destroying an unborn child, either chemically or surgically, is morally "OK"?? If this is where we are as a society, God help us all...  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 55499
Good debate! The Arttist!!!!  |
Date: 11/24/2002 9:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
by making them illegal your taking away a woman's right of CHOICE..... rememner 200 years ago a woman was married at 15 and were LUCKY to live to 40 they also counted days and used many types of items(what often made them sick and caused infections) as a form of contraceptive you should look at ALL sides and ALL issues and the past as part of your arguement... i ask you... do you think a cocaine addict should bring a child into this world the child being addicted to the drug and being unable to physically care for this child.. which will then be raised in such a mannor that the child might not even survive to see it's second birthday? or how about a 15 year old who is still a child themselves living at home and the mother cannot support herself and the child being a burdon on the mother's parents because the mother herself cannot take care of it  |
| Date: 11/24/2002 9:16:00 PM From Authorid: 37354 There would be less abortions if a woman was allowed to kill her child in the first year of life. That way a hasty decision is not enforced upon her. She would have a whole year to decide if motherhood was right for her. Probably politically unfeasible at this time. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 10:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Burden, burden, burden...comfort, comfort, comfort...pertty tough to judge a life before its been lived. Some of the most amazing and truely beautiful lives have come from the most desperate and hard circumstances. What about Hellen Keller, one whose life has touched us all. If any of us were told our unborn child was going to be dumb, deaf, blind, and near mute...would we choose abortion? When we start deciding on what "quality of life" is acceptable then we limit Gods ability and mercy. |
Date: 11/24/2002 10:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
How ironic is it that a person would use their right to make a choice to take away another person's right to make a choice? i.e. I wouldn't choose to have an abortion....therefore you cannot choose to have an abortion.  |
Date: 11/24/2002 11:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
I think it is the womans right. It shouldn't be used as birth control. One oops is an oops. Two is bad bad. But I don't believe a fetus has a soul yet  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 11:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
I myself would want my baby or to give my baby to someone who couldn't have one. Little kids are soo adorable! |
Date: 11/25/2002 12:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 40881
Just a small point.. and I'm not going to get carried away with this post.. but the baby does have brain activity after 10 days BUT the brain stem that fuses the brain to the spine doesn't feel pain until the later second month, so until that happens,.. the baby can not feel.. at all. It's true.  |
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Date: 11/25/2002 12:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 40881
I didn't word that right.. the brain stem doesn't connect with the spinal card till the second month. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 4:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Sex should be a taboo thing for the immature. If a person decides to have sex and a baby is the result of this act, then both parents should be held responsible for the well being of the child they produced or the penalty should be jail time. Abortion should not be the solution for acts of the irresponsible.. Many attempt to justify the murdering of an innocent infant by proclaiming, "The embryo is not a baby until it has developed to a certain stage". If an embryo or anything else is growing, it has to first have life. The death of an embryo comes when it is detached from it's natural life support. Nothing can grow without first having life.. We can use even an example of an apple seed to help understand what life is and at what time something has life. When an adult (mature) apple produces seeds, these seeds are then used to grow more apples. Unless an apple seed is germinated, then the seeds have no life..They are simply seeds and have no chance of becoming a mature apple. Once germinated, the apple seed has life because it now has life. If someone digs up this seed and destroys it, they have destroyed the chance that the apple will mature. It is the same way with a human seed, but a human seed becomes a living breathing soul. If you dig up an a growing apple seed, naturally there is no harm done except there will be one less apple tree. If we destroy a human seed, then there is one less human being. To take a human life is called murder. Our government is not always above board in it's dealings with the public..To allow abortions is a way to protect itself against becoming overpopulated. They are very well aware that in today's age, more and more people, and especially the very young are having irresponsible sex and producing unwanted children. If the mother or her family doesn't take care of a child, then the child becomes the responsiblity of the state. The homes for unwanted children are already packed. Just imagine what it would be like if all those aborted children were yet alive. The goverment can't force parents to raise their children to be responsible so they allow murder in the name of abortions. I am not saying that ALL abortions are murder. For instance, in a life and death situation, a decision must be made in a case where the life of the mother is in serious danger. These are cases which requires the use of common sense. But to use abortions as a way to control overpopulation or because two irresponsible people did not use common sense and restraint before they became engaged in a sexual relationship, is in reality nothing more than allowing innocent children to be murdered. No one should have the right to take the life of a human being at any stage.  |
Date: 11/25/2002 7:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
Brain sucked out of their neck???? What is that all about??? They doent have brains at that stage let alone necks. And it is extremely hypocrytical for you to say abortion is murder and they should be illegal, but its ok to do them in the case of rape and incest. That would still be murder according to the way you look at it right?? So why is ok to commit murder sometimes but not other times?? Personally I am pro-choice. I think it is up to the person who is doing it. No one knows what another person's situation is.  |
Date: 11/25/2002 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 16069
JamieJ, Lets see, How would you feel if a woman choose to kill her newborn baby? Would you feel that it was her right because we dont know her situation? Afterall you said so yourself... "why is ok to commit murder sometimes but not other times??"  |
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Date: 11/25/2002 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 16069
LadyNYX, I never even thought of it that way. Good point! King Caspain, =) |
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Date: 11/25/2002 10:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
A new born baby is a completely different thing than a fetus. The rest of what you typed makes no sense to me. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 10:35:00 AM ( Admin-JGB )
coming late to the debate ... If you want a successful debate, you have to ask yourself the opposition questions... if you think that it is wrong as it kills a potential human being, then it HAS to be wrong for ALL potential human beings... rape and incest should then be allowed to live, regardless of their conception because it is potential life, and you cannot pick and choose at all. Sooo if then, you decide that the potential life, BECAUSE OF it's conception can be killed, you are probably saying that because you can see the mother not wanting to carry to term that which began with such circumstance... if then you consider mom to have a say, and it is her body, who is to decide which mom could handle the pregnancy and carry to term and who is not suited to do so without reprocussion to the mother... So it falls to the woman to decide.... and here we are or so it is how I kinda see it |
| Date: 11/25/2002 10:39:00 AM From Authorid: 37354 I agree with Jungabel. If a fetus has rights, the sins of the father should not matter. Hugo |
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Date: 11/25/2002 10:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
I still can't help but believe in my heart that it is morally wrong. And this is "my" belief. And I, like each of us, struggle with sin each day. I have never had to face abortion, if I did...I may sin...it would be a burden I would forever live with and I would seek the forgiveness of our mercyful God... |
Date: 11/25/2002 11:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 53284
Why not put a big tax on the procedure and use the proceeds of the tax to promote other things such as birth control and or adoption so you wouldn't have so many people using abortion as an afterthough form of birth control.  |
Date: 11/25/2002 11:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 61928
Bad idea: Abortion Worse idea: adding ANOTHER tax  |
| Date: 11/25/2002 12:43:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 54621 ok, whoa.. i didnt mean to get the kind of reponses that i did... Some of them were just mean.. In response to Jamie J, I never said that abortion was murder.. please dont put words in my mouth and i am in no way a hypocrite. A baby is a HUMAN life,... on of GODS creatures. Yes you all are right in sayin that the choice is the womens, but it is insne, sick and morally wrong and that is all that i am saying about this. I opnly wanted a few comments....I didnt not want to ba called a hypocrite |
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Date: 11/25/2002 3:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
JamieJ, I was quoting you..........So why is ok to commit murder sometimes but not other times?? Personally I am pro-choice. I think it is up to the person who is doing it. No one knows what another person's situation is......If Shaynabears a hypocrite, what does that make you? Murder is murder. Why should it be okay for a woman to choose while theres a baby inside the body, but not when its outside of the body? Afteralkl, we dont know the womans situation. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 3:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
Jungabel, So, If a woman is prolife, she shouldnt be against murder then, right? If your for babies being killed inside of the mother, whats wrong with doing it after its born? |
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Date: 11/25/2002 3:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
JamieJ and Jungabel, By the way, I do love you two, you know that right? This is just for a good debate, nothing personal. |
Date: 11/25/2002 9:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 47218
If you really plan to go into politics, then you will be wise to follow the example of every other politician and avoid this issue like the plague. There is a reason why you only hear people to the far left or right stating their opinions on abortion-- politicians with the best chance of getting elected-- the more moderate ones-- will find themselves alienating 1/2 of their support if they take a stance one way or the other. Notice that our esteemed president, George W., has conspicuously skirted the issue. (although we all know he's in league with the conservatives) If you really want a career in politics, then you your best bet is to put your energy into issues that no one disagrees with, like tax relief.  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 8:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
LOA, of course I love you too. Just another heated abortion debate. |
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Date: 11/26/2002 8:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
LOA, I am not a hypocryte because I dont think it is murder. I think a person who thinks it is murder, but it is ok to have an abortion in case of incest or rape is a hypocryte becuase they think it is murder. Y is it ok to commit murder in one case but not the other. That is all I was saying. |
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Date: 11/26/2002 8:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
Shayna, why do you think it should be illegal if you dont think it is murder?? I thought that was the reason people wanted abortion made illegal. Because they think it is murder. I guess your an exception. I just want to know what your reasoning is. |
Date: 11/26/2002 1:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
KING CASPIN, as BIG AMEN to YOU!!  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 1:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
JaymeJ, I guess Im a hypocrite then. I feel that if a doctor advises an abortion because the womans life is in danger, thats an exception. Sure its still murder. Now lets put the abortion thing aside, I dont believe in murder for anybody unless they themselves killed somebody. Am I making sence? But I also believe if a person is suffering and wants to die, they should recieve their wishes. I guess its safe to say I have a lot of different veiws. =) |
Date: 11/26/2002 7:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 28623
i wrote a post on this a long time ago. i remember what got me to talk about it was i had read something about a women who wanted an abortion but the man wanted the baby and she replied her body her choice to which i don't agree with because as we all know babies live grow and feed from there mother while in the womb so once your pregnant its not just your body anymore its also the babies home in a since but anyways he took her to court i cant remember what the outcome was i don't even think it was included anyways i remember it really ticked me because he wanted it she wouldn't have had to even worry about it yet she would rather kill it then give it to him.. as well one of my friends was pregnant and she wanted an abortion her and her boyfriend brock up and she said she was going to make him pay for it just to screw him over. i feel abortions have now become a form of birth control. its hard to look at a child and think about what if someone made a different decision. for some people its just easier to throw away there problems rather then to deal with them, like women who leave there babies in garbage's and run away.  |
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Date: 11/26/2002 7:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 28623
i also wanted to add this::: for some they block it out like im not killing it because its not totally alive yet, but what they seem to always forget is even if its not alive yet it has the potential for life to grow and to fill someone's life with hope and love, they have the potential to be a human just like the parent. their right there potential is stolen from them. |
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Date: 11/27/2002 6:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
Hi LOA. I know what you mean. I have a lot of different views to. |
Date: 11/27/2002 2:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 23367
well, theres always adoption.....i'd glady choose adoption over abortion any day...  |
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Date: 11/28/2002 7:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
all women are preventing the potential life of a child because every month a women ovulates each one of these follicle (gametes) are potential children/life as is male sperm. So maybe we should give into the pope and make contraception illegal while we're at it and make a woman preganat every time she ovulates. You see the fetus/ova would have died anyway and who's to say the little gametes dont have a soul? I still say its up to the individual she has to deal with her own problems no one else has the right to make choices for anyone else or judge her it's on her own head. luv, |
Date: 12/3/2002 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
There is a specific gene recently found in women that are nurturing and make wonderful mothers. They also have been studied and found to choose lifetime mates and work toward very successful marriages. Sadly, this gene is scarce. I believe we would all do the world and ourselves a favor by testing for this gene. If it's not there, give up the silly fantasy one will magically become a responsible and loving parent...and get fixed. I sound cold in this comment, but I am adament on gettting to the root of each problem we have faced throughout history amd deal with it according to solid answers.  |
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