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The Proclamation that Proves Jesus WON by Majority VOTE! The founded religion.(Part Three)

  Author:  10146  Category:(Debate) Created:(11/24/2002 6:26:00 PM)
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The reader will note. That "SOME" of the founding fathers were against giving the Lord Thankgiving. However it was voted on and Ruled that the Lord was going to be the Thanked, and reverenced!

The Thanksgiving Proclamation New York, 3 October 1789

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction
The Proclamation
Handwritten Letter
Editorial Apparatus Introduction

On 25 September 1789, Elias Boudinot of Burlington, New Jersey, introduced in the United States House of Representatives a resolution "That a joint committee of both Houses be directed to wait upon the President of the United States, to request that he would recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a Constitution of government for their safety and happiness." The House was not unanimous in its determination to give thanks. Aedanus Burke of South Carolina objected that he "did not like this mimicking of European customs, where they made a mere mockery of thanksgivings." Thomas Tudor Tucker "thought the House had no business to interfere in a matter which did not concern them. Why should the President direct the people to do what, perhaps, they have no mind to do? They may not be inclined to return thanks for a Constitution until they have experienced that it promotes their safety and happiness. We do not yet know but they may have reason to be dissatisfied with the effects it has already produced; but whether this be so or not, it is a business with which Congress have nothing to do; it is a religious matter, and, as such, is proscribed to us. If a day of thanksgiving must take place, let it be done by the authority of the several States."[1] Citing biblical precedents and resolutions of the Continental Congress, the proponents of a Thanksgiving celebration prevailed, and the House appointed a committee consisting of Elias Boudinot, Roger Sherman, and Peter Silvester to approach President Washington. The Senate agreed to the resolution on 26 September and appointed William Samuel Johnson and Ralph Izard to the joint committee. On 28 September the Senate committee reported that they had laid the resolution before the president.[2] Washington issued the proclamation on 3 October, designating a day of prayer and thanksgiving.

Whatever reservations may have been held by some public officials, the day was widely celebrated throughout the nation. The Virginia assembly, for example, resolved on 19 November that the chaplain "to this House, be accordingly requested to perform divine service, and to preach a sermon in the Capitol, before the General Assembly, suitable to the importance and solemnity of the occasion, on the said 26th day of November."[3] Most newspapers printed the proclamation and announced plans for public functions in honor of the day. Many churches celebrated the occasions by soliciting donations for the poor. Washington's secretary, Tobias Lear, wrote to John Rodgers, pastor of the two Presbyterian churches in New York City, on 28 November, that "by direction of the President of the United States I have the pleasure to send you twenty five dollars to be applied towards relieving the poor of the Presbyterian Churches. A paragraph in the papers mentioned that a contribution would be made for that purpose on Thanksgiving day; as no opportunity offered of doing it at that time, and not knowing into whose hands the money should be lodged which might be given afterwards--The President of the United States has directed me to send it to you, requesting that you will be so good as to put it into the way of answering the charitable purpose for which it is intended."[4]

Washington enclosed the Thanksgiving Proclamation in his Circular to the Governors of the States, written at New York on 3 October 1789: "I do myself the honor to enclose to your Excellency a Proclmation for a general Thanksgiving which I must request the favor of you to have published and made known in your State in the way and manner that shall be most agreeable to yourself."





-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notes and Bibliography to Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation The above is adapted from the annotation to Washington's Circular to the Governors of the States, 3 October 1789, printed in volume 4 of The Papers of George Washington, Presidential Series, W. W. Abbot, Dorothy Twohig, et al (University Press of Virginia, Charlottesville and London, 1993; Dorothy Twohig, volume editor), pp. 129-30.

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Date: 11/24/2002 7:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 59214    ................um? no.  
Date: 11/24/2002 7:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 42792    where does is say here that Thanksgiving is to be celebrated by giving thanks to the Christian God and Jesus Christ? Am i missing something?  
Date: 11/24/2002 7:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 59214    NKA don't feel bad. This author is desperate to prove his point. But pathetically enough, his attempts are in vain.  
Date: 11/24/2002 7:17:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 10146    Excuse me 59214! Are you a liar? Did I not here you say that this is not worth your time? Well, why are you still here then?  
Date: 11/24/2002 7:22:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 10146    NKA, Did you read above, "If a day of thanksgiving must take place, let it be done by the authority of the several States."[1] Citing biblical precedents and resolutions of the Continental Congress, the proponents of a Thanksgiving celebration prevailed, and the House appointed a committee consisting of Elias Boudinot, Roger Sherman, and Peter Silvester to approach President Washington. The Senate agreed to the resolution on 26 September and appointed William Samuel Johnson and Ralph Izard to the joint committee. On 28 September the Senate committee reported that they had laid the resolution before the president.[2] Washington issued the proclamation on 3 October, designating a day of prayer and thanksgiving." Tell me, do you not know that the Christian God and Jesus Christ is the Author of the BIBLE through inspiration? Whom does the Biblical text promote as the Supreme God? Did you see the words Biblical anywhere in this above quote?
  
Date: 11/24/2002 7:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 59214    Look who is lying.  
Date: 11/24/2002 8:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 42792    [1] is a comment from the author who wrote this article that you copied and pasted, it is not part of the address.  
Date: 11/24/2002 8:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 42792    Here maybe this will help you: The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a SECULAR document, and it does not include a single mention of God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. The U.S. government derives from people not from any supernatural being, as it clearly states so in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union..." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness or by accident, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
I'll be back with more shortly...I want to provide more evidence to support my claim
  
Date: 11/24/2002 8:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 42792    The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
George Washington, Treaty of Tripoli, 1796
  
Date: 11/24/2002 9:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    And I shall say again...The Constitution is NOT a religious document.  
Date: 11/24/2002 10:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 42792    well perse...you said what I was saying but with less wording...LOL  
Date: 11/24/2002 11:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 34814    This is non sense.  
Date: 11/25/2002 8:21:00 AM  From Authorid: 46565    I am glad people are not fooled by your posts. If the people who founded this country wanted to tie church and state together they would have. In fact, they could have easily made it like the UK where the official religion was anglican. But they didn't. They did not declare an official religion and in fact they explicity said "seperation of church and state." So on Thanksgiving, be thankful that the founding fathers seperated church and state, because if there was an official religion you probably wouldn't have the freedom to post religious articles such as these on USM  
Date: 11/25/2002 9:32:00 AM  From Authorid: 61928    I see only the words "Almighty God" in this resolution to declare a day of thanksgiving, utterly unsupportive of your assertion that this proclaims JESUS as the Christ and supreme God. Anyone educated in the true religion knows that I am the messiah.  
Date: 11/26/2002 11:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Washington and Adams gave proclamations because they firmly believed that the masses NEEDED religion to keep them in line. Washington was clear on this, in his widely MISQUOTED remark to Jefferson that "this would be the best of worlds if there were no religion in it". He quickly moderates this unreasoned ejaculation by expressing the view that religion is effective at controlling the masses: "Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell." The Pilgrims did not found the United States of America. When you or anyone cites such things as "Being thus arrived in a good harbor and brought safe to land, they fell upon their knees and blessed God of Heaven....."; this says nothing about the USA being founded as a christian nation. The colonies were christian, being a part of Britain, but the Revolution shook off that leadership and installed a new Constitution, which omits the name of Christ and places "WE THE PEOPLE..." squarely upon the seat of authority.  
Date: 11/26/2002 11:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 24924    Washington's proclamation was at the behest of Congress. Jefferson later sternly repudiated this act of Washington's and similar acts by Adams. These men firmly believed that the masses NEEDED religion (many didn't follow their own advice for themselves) and felt it was their duty to go along with what they thought was the public's religiousity when issuing these proclamations to the public. NEVERTHELESS, Haadam, there is nothing in the proclamation about CHRIST or anything about this being a christian nation. Do you NOT really KNOW what A Deist is, Haadam? Or, is it just that you do not WANT it to differ from what you WISH were true? Is it IMPOSSIBLE, Haadam, for you to grasp anyone believing in GOD....*A* GOD OF THE UNIVERSE..of NATURE, but NOT this so called "christ"??  
Date: 11/27/2002 2:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Haadam, very good post.  
Date: 11/29/2002 5:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    Just because some of the Founders were Christian does not make the Constitution a religious document...that would be like saying the cake I just baked is a religious experience waiting to happen...  
Date: 12/28/2002 12:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 50249    Nothing but an EXCELLENT, EXQUISITE, GREAT, AWSOME, PERFECT... POST!!!!! Jesus Christ is the Lord of America and the Universe. Glory be to Jesus!!!  

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