Date: 11/24/2002 4:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
Just a question are we talking the Catholic God or the Protestant god. And how is Jesus and God the same thing now my bible studies may be rusty but I thought he was the son of god.  |
Date: 11/24/2002 4:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Kurtvedder, Both! The Protestant and the Catholic. The Reason you do not know, "WHY" Jesus and God are the same "THING" (as you describe him) is because your bible studies "ARE" rusty! HE is the Son of God, because he became a SON of Man..., Who "WAS" also A Son of God, who's name was Adam!  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 4:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
So Jesus was also Adam. So after everyone begat each other they adam became his own great great great great great great great great grandson. Man there really is incest in the bible. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 5:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Kinda like being your Own Grandpaw Huh? Seriously if you are not interested in a serious debate, and just dropped in to make Mockery, then I feel it best that you just be mosieing on out a here. JMHO! |
Date: 11/24/2002 5:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
What about the beliefs that were on the American Continent before westerners decided to plunder, murder and steal. I believe that was what the american nation should of been founded on. (don't get me wrong here its not only the USA its other countires as well like here in Oz). Love,  |
Date: 11/24/2002 5:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 50864
Haadam I am a Christian of the Lutheran faith I don't need a proclaimation to prove that Jesus is God a part of The Holy Trinity. I have accepted this as a matter of fact and faith from an early age and as time has passed my faith has grown stronger,just as the old hymn Beautiful Saviour says Son of God and Son of Man. or the Bible verse...And the word was made fleash...  |
Date: 11/24/2002 5:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
excuse me for bringing this to view but I know many people who have said grace at a meal and have no belief in God nor in Jesus Christ  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 5:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Mrs.Strider, Praise Jesus for your Statement! Nor do I, need to the First Proclamation of the 1st President of this Nation to Proove God is Whom I know he is. This debate is for those who reject the fact that this "ONCE" great nation was founded upon ONE religion, and ONE GOD! That Supreme God was Jesus Christ Our Lord God. Their are many in this nation that will argue to differ, and say it was founded to Serve "ANY" god, with freedom to do so. The Proclamations proove it to be a different story. Thanks for your Testimony. |
Date: 11/24/2002 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
P.S. George Washington was a deist not a Christian--->George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance. ---that is but just one example
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Date: 11/24/2002 5:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
NKA, Why do "YOU" suppose a person who is an Athiest (who has no belief in God) would do that? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 5:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
If you were asking why someone would say grace and not be a christian. Maybe out of tradition or morelikely out of respect of others at the table who are chritsian. Luv, |
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Date: 11/24/2002 5:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
May I ask why it matters to you so much what religion your country was founded on? Wouldn't it be more important as to what the country is today? |
Date: 11/24/2002 5:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
NKA, notice..., "Solemnly and seriously to keep the same Beseeching that being perswaded by the mercies of God WE MAY ALL, even this whole people offer up our bodies and soulds as a living and acceptable Service unto God by Jesus Christ." When the first George that was president, said "WE" offer our souls a living service to Jesus Christ, I suppose "HE" was not included in the "WE" address? You have "READ" his Testamony Giving Credit to Jesus Christ, and yet you "STILL" say he was a deist and Not a Christian? You sure got it bad don't you?
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Date: 11/24/2002 5:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
And what kind of governmental authority did the Pilgrims have to speak for ALL Americans? Clue me in 'cause I've forgotten.  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 17516
And so, by your reasoning, I guess the Native Americans, when they gave thanks to the Great Spirit means that the ruler of America is the Great Spirit, right?? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
The Indians were losers, losers do not impress their faith on others.The Indians were simply among the last of the hunter/gatherers to be replaced by agrarians.Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Eclipses, The reason it matters, is because when we as a Nation Gave Thanks to God through Jesus, we we blessed and we Prosperd. What and Why the country is today is because we Left him, and have brought into this country gods of foreign lands, and have upholded their false gods, to the point that Jesus Christ has quit blessing the nation as a whole because of having other gods before HIM! That is why it Matters. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
America was not founded on one god it was founded on people who stole land and lives of the natives. And if these people all believed in this one god and believed they were doing it for a nation founded on and for this one god... I would be ashamed (killing and stealing in the name of god?) |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
thank you Haadam for your answer. But leaving your faith in this god should not make a differece on today's outcomes, as god gave us freewill and would not change or influence what we are/were doing as he gave us free will. Some Christians have done many misguided things that have had a negative impact today. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
The indians were killing each other before the white man got here. Inferior social systems are doomed. The demise of the Indians was inevitable, and had nothing to do with religion. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
I personaly believe the Great White Spirit they reverence could have been the Supreme Creator. However the Supreme Creator became "FLESH" in a man called Jesus, and although they may have given honor to the creator, they Knew not that he had come in the flesh, and they, Like the Hebrew Jews were not reverencing God in the Form, or the Name that he says, is the ONLY way a man Might enter into Heavan. The Jews by majority were told, and so they themselves knew, but still rejected, where as the Native Americans had not yet HEARD of the Only Name by which a man Might enter Heavan. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Actually, Joe Smith would say otherwise. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Actually, Joe Smith would say otherwise. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
It is by the "NAME" that man is blessed, and man is not blessed. That Name is Jesus! There is Power in his name, for he is GOD! |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
"The indians were killing each other before the white man got here. Inferior social systems are doomed. The demise of the Indians was inevitable, and had nothing to do with religion. Hugo" Who has the right to Judge if a social system is inferior? I belive the family next door to me is inferior they don't have a computer own an old car don't tend to there house and garden aswell as my family and have different beliefs to myself. our family has the strangth to take over there house and kill them if we wished. and according to your statement I have the right to do so because they are inferior. The strong should protect the weak! |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Unfortunately, in this world might makes right. Just like inferior species die off, so do inferior social structures. Whenever agrarians have met hunter/gatherers the end result is dead hunter/gatherers. Why aren't we speaking German today, because we kicked Hitler's rear end. Why does Isreal exist? Because they have the military capability to survive. If your government cannot protect you from outside aggressors then it is goodbye for you baby. That is life. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Your government would punish you if you knocked off the family next door. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
'Your government would punish you if you knocked off the family next door. Hugo' So we arent aloud to do it to others of our country but allowed to do it to other countries? Sounds a bit contradicting to me. Isreal only exsists because we (UK and USA) re-created it after world war 2 (out of guilt). Our governments can't protect us from inside agression (i.e murders and terrorists {eg washington sniper}). |
Date: 11/24/2002 6:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 59214
One, stop with the capitalization. It's annoying. Two- LMAO! This isn't even worth my time!  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
Washington, like many people in colonial America, belonged to the Anglican church and was a vestryman in it. But in early America, particularly in pre-revolutionary America, you had to belong to the dominant church if you wanted to have influence in society, as is illustrated by the following taken from Old Chruches, Ministers and Families of Virginia, by Bishop William Meade, I, p 191. "Even Mr. Jefferson, and George Wythe, who did not conceal their disbelief in Christianity, took their parts in the duties of vestrymen, the one at Williamsburg, the other at Albermarle; for they wished to be men of influence." |
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Date: 11/24/2002 6:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Eclipses, The topic of this debate is that Jesus Christ and Christians was the founding free religion that was honored for this Nation Originaly. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:03:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
NKA, So then I suppose you are saying that everything that brought about and led up to the American Constitution was all made up from Lies. Correct? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
Sorry Haadam. I'll stop but Im really passionate about all this stuff. But the debate wasn't only led that way by me. Anyways back on topic.... In the American Constitution it speaks of freedoms, doesn't these freedoms inculde religion? Isn't this what Amricans pride themselves on there freedom or the free world? and made them a great nation. Or does this mean only freedom for people who believe in Jesus? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Eclipses, If you will remember the Protestants who "TOO" were Christians was being persecuted for breaking away from the Catholic churches teachings in Jesus Christ. They Came to this land to Escape from the Catholic Christians way of Worshiping. It is for this reason this nation was founded upon freedom of the religious "CHRISTIAN" rights to worship Jesus Christ as each individual chooses. Notice, the religious freedom was to be CHRISTIAN. Whether they be called Catholic, OR Protestant. But all professing Christians. This was not for the sake of Any and "ALL" religions. The Battle was between Christians. The Catholic and Protestants. Not Wiccan, Not Hindu etc.etc. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
So what happens to the people who are not Christian? The native americans have more right to live in America then the Pilgrims, They imposed christian beleif on them. These non-christians need a home what are you going to do with them, they were here first? You can't forget they exsisted. The battle wasnt really just between christains for there was another party involved (a party that was not christian). |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Well friend, you tell me why you think God directed the children of Israel across the River Jordan to take over and posess the land of the Canaanites, and then possibly you will know why he allowed the natives to be overtaken. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Well, its bed time. Until tomorrow. Goodnight. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
but now we have free will and god doesnt manage our descions and consquences anymore. So we can't say god allowed us to do it so its okay, or It happened because god willed it. He has given us free will to grow the outcomes of our descions is on our heads and carved on our souls not Gods. Didn't Jesus say love thy neighour? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 7:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
Good night Haadam. Thanks for the debate. Luv, |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
so then I suppose God made it possible for Israel to exist? God made it possible for the extreme muslims to take over the middle east? Did God do that? Why is it that God is always the reason for things of convenience? Would you say that God allowed for the US to be taken over by buddhists if it ever happened? Cubans are Christians, did God allow Castro to take over their country? |
Date: 11/24/2002 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
George Washington, Treaty of Tripoli, 1796 ...hmmm??? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
And where the heck in the constitution do you see even ONE reference to God or Jesus??? tell me that |
Date: 11/24/2002 8:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
The Idians could have faired worse had we not got here first or the South won the civil war...God, what kind of country would this be now if "they" would have won...?  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
I believe that sniper is in jail right now. No we do not have an all knowing, omnipotent government that can protect us from all harm. They can sure protect us much more than the Indian confederations were able to protect their people. The duty of a government is to protect its citizens from internal and external agressors. A society with a government that can not do that will disappear. Sorry if that is not right, it is reality.Hugo |
Date: 11/24/2002 8:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Eclipses, the fact is that NOBODY has any RIGHT to be here. The Natives fell to the conquerers. That's that. They're just lucky the Dutch didn't take over first as they had a habit of wiping any culture that put up resistance. Land is land and it doesn't care who walks on it. If the Natives overthrow the "white man" then they can have it back. Fair's fair after all. This is not likely. Their way became obsolete, and in having no means or desire to advance they lost out. That's the way the world was and still is. If you can't defend it, you lose it. And when you lose it you get out. So once again, the Christian God of military technology and obscene aggression triumphs over the meek Pagan gods, eh? How quaint...  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
That Great Spirit sure got his butt whipped by JC. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
Gallytuck you are going to scare me with nightmares of Jesus in camoflauge...jeez:P~ |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
Well Hugo, I believe in free chocolate to all women. I also believe in survival of the fittest. You have something, you defend it, if you fail, you lose it. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 8:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
I don't think so, Hugo. JC is a pacifist. He wouldn't do something like that. Give blessing to those who torture, rape, kill, steal, and lie? That's ridiculous... |
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Date: 11/24/2002 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
NKA,The day they give free chocolate to women is the day I start dressing in drag.GT,I stand corrected. Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 9:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
Well I think Thanksgiving represents the "old" way of thinking by thanking those who made it possible for us to live free and work. Yes, work...work and earn our living...if you don't work then you have no one to thank but me and the rest of the taxpayers who pay your way. God has nothing to do with it. God had nothing to do with our government and never will. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 9:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 19092
Who's the "Idians" anyway...? |
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Date: 11/24/2002 9:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
Hugo...think of the possibilities...free chocolate, less PMS issues, LOL...and you in drag??? I would give up my chocolate dream to never have to see that...and I would give thanks to YOU for not putting me through the torture |
Date: 11/24/2002 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
KC they would be the southern type of natives |
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Date: 11/24/2002 9:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
I thought they were from Cleveland,glad NKA stopped her free chocolate demands. Hugo |
Date: 11/24/2002 9:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Just for purposes of Clarification, our Constitution is NOT a religious document, it is a centralized documented guarantee of certain rights that are to be maintained among the people by the government. Why do we have the Amendments that we have in the Constitution? Because that is what we feared at the time it was written and that is what we shall continue to protect. That is all...it is not a religious document nor a declaration of a central religion.  |
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Date: 11/24/2002 9:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Perse, It is by thy NAME thy CONSTITUTION is blessed. Thy Name is JESUS CHRIST. FORSOOTH the UNBLESSED. Hadaam |
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Date: 11/24/2002 9:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
I can't do this...I am not able to debate this anymore while I feel the need to run to the ladies room, OMG!!! |
Date: 11/24/2002 11:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 46266
"God has nothing to do with it. God had nothing to do with our government and never will." - NKA. Kind of reminds me of a post-911 interview, where the person being questioned was asked "Where was God?" The answer came: "For years we have been pushing God out of our government, out of our schools, out of our music and out of our lives. Being the gentleman that He is, God finally said 'As you wish,' and stepped aside."  |
Date: 11/24/2002 11:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
Same on the person who called the Indians losers!! Shame on you!!!!  |
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Date: 11/25/2002 5:23:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
NKA, you mentioned.. "But in early America, particularly in pre-revolutionary America, you had to belong to the dominant church if you wanted to have influence in society, as is illustrated by the following taken from Old Chruches, Ministers and Families of Virginia, by Bishop William Meade, I, p 191." So what has been proven here I suppose is that Government officials are elected, BY the PEOPLE and FOR the People, only because "THEY" tell lies, so they can have "influence in the society", of the people, and therefore become an elected official, by the people, Lying to them, leading them to believe that they are for the people. Well then, it appears that from this countries beginning, Our Government was made up of nothing more than what a bunch of liars wanted. Is this true? It appears so, don't it? Well tell me all present day modern Americans. Why do you even bother to Vote, and Elect men who only tell you what you want to hear just so they can Influence you, THE PEOPLE, to let them come against you? The tradition carry's on still. Right? |
Date: 11/25/2002 8:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 46565
Were these pilgrims christians really? What about the salem witch trials? where christians killed women based on heresay and rumor that they were witches.Also, george washington, thomas jeffereson, ben franklin and many other colonial leaders did not believe in Jesus as God. Please do further research on this. In fact read their own writings, they were unitarians (One God). Anyway even if they were christians they didn't practice because they believed in exterminating an entire people (indians) and slavery.  |
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Date: 11/25/2002 8:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 37354
Actually if you read the OT and the NT you can argue that the Bible condones slavery and genocide. Hugo |
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Date: 11/25/2002 8:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 46565
Your right Hugo, the bible does condone slavery, in fact is says you should treat your slaves well. However, the slavery of ancient times was different than more recent slavery. Slaves were seen as human beings whereas in the Americas they weren't. Sorry for going so off topic. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 8:27:00 AM ( Admin-JGB )
JC a pacifist??? hmmmm |
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Date: 11/25/2002 9:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 42792
Hadaam, if you feel comfortable perceiving in that way... as you can see from Washington's own quote, the country was not based on Christianity in any way. One may argue that he contradicted himself when referencing the above address however, if the man was Christian and intended upon founding the country out of Chrisitianity, why would he, as a Chrisitian, deny those intentions 7 years later? And you ask why people bother to vote, well that is not a difficutl question to answer. People vote because it is their right to do so. Whether a politician is lying or not, and most of them do, we have the freedom to decide what liar we like best. That freedom is what this country is founded on. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 1:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
NKA, Well it would appear to me that the "SOCIETY" is the "WE THE PEOPLE"! After all it is they/we (the society) that they are having to influence, so that they can Govern the Government in all kinds of lying wonders. So.., your telling me that, We the People, are Suppose to Be LOYAL, Patriotic Citizens, upholding this mankinds way of Government, Trusting in Them and OURSELVES, with their Own Lying tongues, devoting our own life itself, just because we the people, had the FREEDOM to choose (By Vote) a Lying Corrupt Government, to do with US as "HE" see's fit to do? That is so sad dear people of America! So are you an upholder of just mere mortal men, only for the sake that you can say, THAT YOU "had a say" (because of freedom) in their Lying, Crooked, and decietfull ways of Governing? |
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Date: 11/25/2002 1:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
basically Hadaam, yes, that is how it is. We vote for our government and we deal with any negative aspects of the people we voted in. God has nothing to do with it. If God is running the government then why do I still have to pay taxes to support welfare recipients? Anyway, I would much rather have the ability to vote for a crooked politician than to be forced to be governed by one. I would rather have the choice of religion or no religion than to be forced to practice a religion that I don't believe in. How in the heck do you think God and Government would work? Would the President pray to God and wait for a heavenly sign before making executive decisions? Would we have angels as jurors rather than our peers? How would it work? Would we just be forced to live as written in the bible? Goverments founded on religious beliefs are dictatorships, if you can prove otherwise, please do |
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Date: 11/25/2002 2:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Here Ye, Here Ye, Let it be known by public admission, that Haadam has lost this Debate! By self admission, I do here and now know, that the American Government was "NEVER" founded upon being, and or becomming a God fearing, and God loving Christian Nation. WE the People had wished it so, but by the decieving Lying men of which we Elected to represent us, by INFLUENCE.., Decieved us, and so we (as Men,Women and People) are worthy to recieve the things they now bring upon us. It is by my Great astonishment, that I now admit, that this nation was not first Christian, and then later became what it is today, It "WAS" what it is today, only because of decieving influence, from its beginning! |
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Date: 11/25/2002 2:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
This nation was founded for freedom. Freedom from the exact things you are proposing it was founded upon. FYI there is NO freedom in Having to worship Jesus or even acknowledge that he is to be thanked for our country. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 2:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
Neonhaze, I would now like to address your questions. You ask..., "Were these pilgrims christians really? What about the salem witch trials? where christians killed women based on heresay and rumor that they were witches." Appearantly not. Huh! As for the Salem witch trials, there were "LAWS" passed that allowed it. Correct? Therefore as we Know now, that the Men that made these Laws, "WERE NOT" true Christians! They were only men, (who had "FAITH" only in themselves) who By INFLUENCE, Decieved the PEOPLE, by only "PLAYING" as Christians, to Give them (True Christians)the bad morals and Memories, you are Blaiming Christianity of now, Here, and Today! So as it has been proven in this Debate, The True Christian, was lied to, and lied upon, to give them the Bad reputation that, our founding Fathers were Guilty of Themselves!! WE, the People, who were, and Are Christians were Set UP! True?? So you tell me, Who is to Blame, for the Crimes you mentioned, and was committed under the name of Christianity? |
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Date: 11/25/2002 3:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 46565
I was trying to say that you cited a text written by early US puratanical immigrants (ie pilgrims)that they wanted the US to be christian. Yet now you say they weren't christian or at least true christians. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
What is a "true" Christian anyway? Who decides that? If a man denies Christ but within himself repents is he not a true Christian? If a man accepts Christ silently at his death bed, is he not a true Christian? If a man lies at any time throughout his life, is he not a true Christian? If the founding fathers of this country lied about their Christianity to help the country progress and later, unbenounced to the public, decided that Christ was their saviour, are they not a true christian? |
Date: 11/27/2002 9:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 5886
Everyone take a look at those dates... 1676. This "Great Nation" didn't exist until 100 years later!!! So these are simply from the British Colonies, and none of those people survived to found the country, did they?  |
Date: 11/27/2002 1:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Actually Haadam, by NKA saying that, that these men did and said these things to influence the people, makes your case for you, as IF they spouted JESUS to influence people then it just goes to prove that JESUS and God were the foundation for this country. WHY else would men of power try to please the people?  |
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Date: 11/27/2002 2:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
FirstBorn, As you ask, "WHY else would men of power try to please the people?" Because We the People by Majority were "Christians". They were the ones the liars were having to Influence. Otherwise, there would have been no need for the Influencing Proccess, because the Majority would have sided with them, being that they were Deist. That is if the Majority would have been Deist themselves. Which apparently wasn't so. Anyone who would believe in a One Supreme Creator God, who created the universe and then Abandoned, His Creation, leaveing them to fend for themselves without any Guidence, is not a CHRISTIAN! They are Anti-Christ in my book! Wouldn't you say so? My sister! |
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Date: 11/27/2002 2:48:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 10146
At least the Hebrew Race in part (the Jews) Knew that God did not totaly Abandon them. |
Date: 11/27/2002 4:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Great observation, Rebel Soul, but I fear it went RIGHT OVER THE HEADS of those who insist and proclaim a lie so loudly; a lie that says "this country was founded by christians". Thanks anyway, Rebel Soul.  |
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Date: 11/27/2002 8:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
YES Haadam I would say so. Proof upon Proof upon Proof, yet it goes right over their heads. Good posting Haadam. |
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Date: 11/28/2002 8:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Guess you won your point haadam as I cant see anyone else here to dispute it. |
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Date: 11/28/2002 7:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 14226
Im sorry I missed the rest of this debate Ive been on holidays.. Horseriding in the sunny coasts hinterland (aahhhh Heaven). I guess my last two cents worth here is that I think present and future is more important than the past, work out tomorrows possible problems and move on from the past. Hopefully equality for all can be worked out in the future thats what I'd like to see. Love, |
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Date: 11/29/2002 12:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 3321
Just because some of the Founders were Christian does not make the Constitution a religious document...that would be like saying the cake I just baked is a religious experience waiting to happen... |
Date: 12/22/2002 11:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 53836
Thanks for posting this. I knew it was the truth but hadn't dug for the proof as you have! Many blessings  |
Date: 12/28/2002 12:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 50249
Amen!!! Proof enough that the USA was founded on Christian principles and values. Great post!  |
