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Date: 11/12/2002 3:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
veeeeery interesting!  |
Date: 11/12/2002 3:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Hmmmmm....it does seem apparent that a person's religious belief system is going to affect their opinion on the subject of abortion....and it certainly does make it difficult when the rules seem to keep changing.  |
Date: 11/12/2002 3:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
Okay, so whenever I choose to kill anybody that I wish, I dont want to hear you or any other prokillers judging me.  |
Date: 11/12/2002 3:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
People make the decision to have sex. I've never had God make that decision for me. For the people who believe that it is God who deciedes if you get pregnant, try getting pregnent by just preying about it.  |
Date: 11/12/2002 3:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
for me, abortion is not a religious question, but a moral one based on what i belive to be right an how i wish to raise my children. religioun does factor in, but is not the sole or majority for what i believe. whan i read about what stage a fetus is in by seven and eight weeks, to me, there is no doubts about it being a living breathing being. no, it cannot fiunction outside it's mother's womb, but it does have intact brain, nerve, and organ functions. i see it is a mother's responsibility to "support" the child. that is the function of the child being in the womb. as for people that get pregnant and did not want children or can not care for children, well then, my opinion is you made poor choices. although i find the morningg after pill distasreful myself, i don't have any reasonable objection to it other than from a strictly religious standpoint in regards to a soul. medically though, no objection. the statistics for abortions are appalling to me because the majority do not occur at a cellular level. women that are raped, i can't imagine the psychological damage that might occur to a woman forced to carry a rapist's child. to me a.s.a.p. is the key. i know it takes time... i know there are those that will say it is personal and none of my business, but how we are affected as a society is not only my business but i have a responsibility to contribute to our society as i see fit in our best interests just as everyone does. i have been honest here. i am not picking at anyone's choices, i am stating my beliefs and why.  |
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Date: 11/12/2002 3:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
lol@wildbob |
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Date: 11/12/2002 4:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 55499
I had an abortion when i was 16 my mother forced me to have it! But if I had the child my life would have been a lot worse than it is right now! The Arttist!!!!  |
Date: 11/12/2002 5:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i think it is a personal choice for everyone.. every person has the choice... i don't think anyone else should have the right to tell you to have the child or not.. it's personal choice... i'm pro-choice... because every person is different  |
Date: 11/12/2002 5:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
Well that bites!  |
| Date: 11/12/2002 6:21:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57718 LoveOneAnother--isn't that just a bit unreasonable. I mean, it doesn't say you can just kill anybody. It's just a point. I personally would never get an abortion, I don't believe in them. But I'm not going to stand back and judge others who choose to. It is not my place to judge anyone. |
Date: 11/12/2002 6:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
I have before me, the King James Bible, the New International Bible, the Living Bible, and the Revised Standard Bible. This is a law on Adultery, not a law for Abortion! What Kind of Bible Version are you reading from? The Bibles I have, speak nothing about Womb's discharging and Uterus's dropping. In fact they say the Bellie will Swell as to indicate a Pregnancy! This kind of pregnancy would bring Shame before her people as if she was cursed before them. If a baby is aborted, the belly goes down. It does not SWELL, and get larger!  |
Date: 11/12/2002 7:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 27270
Haddam, just curious, but why are there so many "versions" of the bible?  |
Date: 11/12/2002 7:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
If someone wants to get an abortion, that's their business. I don't know if I'd get one, unless it was for a good reason. And what does religion have to do with this? Does that mean it has to do with all sorts of intercourse, be they between humans or birds?  |
Date: 11/12/2002 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
AND we are no longer under LAW but grace. This does not apply and hasnt for over 2,000 years.  |
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Date: 11/12/2002 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
IF your going to quote it quote it right. UTERUS is not mentioned in that manner:Nm:5:11: And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Nm:5:12: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him, Nm:5:13: And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner; Nm:5:14: And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled: Nm:5:15: Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance. Nm:5:16: And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord: Nm:5:17: And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water: Nm:5:18: And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse: Nm:5:19: And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: Nm:5  0: But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: Nm:5 1: Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell; Nm:5 2: And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. Nm:5 3: And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water: Nm:5 4: And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter. Nm:5 5: Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar: Nm:5 6: And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. Nm:5 7: And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. Nm:5 8: And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. Nm:5 9: This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled; Nm:5:30: Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law. Nm:5:31: Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity. |
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Date: 11/13/2002 4:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
Thumbelina, Because as man and his knowledge is increasing in worldly affairs, they too think it is increased to where they can print more modern versions to go along with their worldly affairs. Each time they come out with a new and supposedly better version, to fit modern day wording and language, they Distort the ORIGINAL meaning, that will Never Change, But is the same yesterday, today, and forever. It is best to find an older version such as the old King James, and then (too because it was written to fit the launguage of that day,)study with a good Concordance with Hebrew, Chaldee and Greek Dictionaries, (such as the Strongs) to get the Original launguage meanings. |
| Date: 11/13/2002 7:12:00 AM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57718 Hadam, quote me the ORIGINAL as best as you can get it and I'll back off. Not from 6 modern day "bibles", but as close as you can get it to the original. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I really want you to. You seem to have a grasp on the research. But I absolutely refuse to listen to ANY modern bibles and have for years. That's become man's word, not a god's. |
Date: 11/13/2002 10:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
I am still and will always be pro-choice no matter what anyone tells me.   |
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Date: 11/13/2002 3:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Author 57718, Kee eesh-bo-sheth eesh ish-shaw saw-taw saw-taw maw-al al. Translates... If any mans wife goes out and commits adultery not being true to him alone. Eesh zeh'-rah alam eesh taw-may say-fek taw-fas . Translates as..., And a man lie with her corrupting her vows, it too being concealed from husband which makes her foul, with no proof that she is, or that she is concerned. NOW..., this is what Numbers 5:12&13 is teaching and saying. As you can see, it is being applied to the act of Adultery, and being untrue to her marriage vows. If you wish to do the research further "YOURSELF" (which I will not further do for you) you should be able to discover, that for her transgression, her curse that falls upon her in the end, is that her bellie will swell with a pregnancy, (to bring Shame from her people) as her inner thighs (X marks the spot) that is going to rot (Rot is used to indicate nasty to touch) as somthing that is diseased. I do not find anything of an Abortion there! |
| Date: 11/13/2002 4:36:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57718 Wow, a little rude there aren't ya? I asked you to do it because I don't even know where to start and because I was really interested. Learned my lesson, pardon me, I'll be sure next time to ask someone who's willing to share and much politer. |
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Date: 11/13/2002 5:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Author 57718, Please, please do not think I was trying to be rude to you. You know it always amazes me how, that sometimes our styles of writing reflects somthing that was not intended to reflect. Facial movement with eye contact sure helps in cases like this. Really, I'm sorry if my wording came across to you as being rude. You have my My word, and my word to you is this, they were not ment to be comming across as rude. I was only saying that you too should be able to do what I can do, with a Strongs Concordance with a Hebrew, Chaldee, and Greek Dictionary. It can be very time consuming, but no doubt well worth the effort of the Person that really wants to know the truth "IN" the Original language the men who penned the bible spoke in, with the definition to those Original letters, and Scrolls. I only ment to imply, that like a kid who helps work for his first Car, will better appreciate it if he helps labor for it, rather than have it Given to him without any effort on his own part. Please forgive me, if my choice of wording offended you. It was not my intention. Why would I have even began to look it up for you if I wanted to be rude about it? I did the portion that I did for you for the sake of the Sincerity you impressed me with, when you said you were not trying to be a Jerk, but that you really wanted me to do it. Peace. |
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Date: 11/13/2002 7:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 27270
Okay, so now (especially after reading FB's post) I want to know what (if anything) happens to 1) the man who committed this act w/ her (maybe he's off scott free since she's the one who is suppose to be married) and 2) what happens to the husband and/or priest if they make this accusation and it is false? |
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Date: 11/13/2002 7:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Thumblina, read the book that the rest of this is in and Im sure you will find your answers. AUTHOR of this post, haddam wasnt being rude. Besides, look at the lie you have posted, dont you think that is rude as well to post something that you dont have any facts about nor know anything about? You just wish to bash the bible, and try to come off with hatefull things, things you know nothing about , that is rude. Learn it wont hurt. |
| Date: 11/14/2002 12:06:00 PM ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57718 Haadam, I too apologize. You are right, there is so much lost when there is no facial expression or tone of voice to go by. I should remember that better. Thank you for clearing it up. Firstborn, I'm not bashing anything. I found an interesting read, very interesting and shared it. Believe me, I can bash the bible without making things up. And I still don't agree it's a lie, though I will say that I need to do more research on it. I may or may not agree, but I don't want to quote something wrongly. But I also refuse to blindly follow without questioning. And I wasn't hateful at all. Otherwise I could've ended it with a "so there you christians". I put it up for discussion, which is what I got. Chill out, relax and discuss. You'll change people's way of looking at things alot faster by being nice rather than accusing them. |
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Date: 11/14/2002 1:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I'm sure I will, and that goes both ways. |
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