Date: 11/8/2002 6:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 61901
I have heard of this before. This is an interesting post.  |
Date: 11/8/2002 6:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
Thanks Vert for educating the masses about this important peice of information. I have often wondered how the "godless" UN could give God's people their land back after almost 2000 years. It absolutely defies logic, but those of our Christian brethren backing this "war on terrorism," to the hilt, use the scriptures relating to "saving Israel at all costs," as their justification. Did you read my anti war commentary? or look at the photos of the transported Afghani illegal combatants? This crusade is dangerous and this Middle Ages mentality equally dangerous. May our LOVING and FORGIVING Father in Heaven forgive us for our attempts at vengence. After all, "Vengence is mine, saith the Lord." The Protocols of Zion was a featured complaint in the Jerusalem Post today, due to the fact that they are being printed and distributed around the Arab world. But, when you look at present domestic and foreign policies of a multitude of nations, it's hard to dispute them, don't you think? Nice to see you're still around.  |
Date: 11/8/2002 7:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
Hard to disput them? It's downright impossible. One thing that really bothers me is that people are blaming the Jews for this plot! So that we could know better, Jesus found one warning important enough to be included in the Bible itself - not once, but twice in the Apocrypha (2 and 3) - "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." - Revelation 2 and "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;" Revelation 3. While it is good to see word getting out, it is playing to the advantage of these conspirators because the backlash is aimed at the real Jews.  |
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Date: 11/8/2002 7:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
I agree, Vert. The real conspirators are anything but spiritual. They have no religious, national or ideological loyalty, and are intent on enslaving mankind, Jews and all. I have said for years there will be another Holocaust, for Lucifer seeks to destroy ALL, and our Jewish brothers and sisters are included, as well as our Muslim and Christian brothers and sisters, because GOD is for ALL people, and LOVES ALL HIS CREATION, not just a few. But I guess that's why not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews, right? |
Date: 11/8/2002 7:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
Vert, if it wasn't this Protocol I've read before, it was someone's description of it. And included in it was the declaration that George Bush and one of his sons would be president (this was back in Reagan's presidency that I read this). I gave all the literature I was reading about this subject to my brother a few years ago but I wish I hadn't now because I had some real interesting stuff about all the New World Order coming to fruition. The only way I can handle knowing any of this is to remember: His Will Be Done. God Bless.  |
Date: 11/8/2002 7:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
You lost me at Masonic plot disguised as Learned Elders of Zion-like plot which is actually a satanic plot. What I guess it boils down to is.. Republicans are evil...Simple sentence structure, right to the point is easier to read.  |
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Date: 11/8/2002 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
I guess some of us just want to know, Kelly, why the rules changed due to 9/11. All of a sudden we're the rulers of the world's empire, off to make every nation in the world bend to our will - and making domestic and foreign policy based on continuing fears about the "shadowy, unnamed and unknown enemies of freedom." Gee, what's hard to understand? That there could be a sinister group of people intent on ruling the world? Read the news once in a while - we're on a crusade for the Holy Land, remember? |
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Date: 11/8/2002 8:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
we've been the only super-power since we brought the soviets down...Just because republicans are in power for the first time in how many years it is all due to some satanic, zionist, masonic plot written sometime in the 1800's? I can't even wrap my brain around that...And if I remember correctly....3000 of OUR PEOPLE died at the hands of fanatics trying to bend US to THEIR will..I'm sorry we aren't sitting on our hands waiting for the next punch as we did throughout the 90's..Gosh I miss Bubba, he knew how to handle those people..by ignoring them. |
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Date: 11/8/2002 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
Isn't it funny how the Republicans now have no time for abortion issues, for environmental issues which continue to harm farmers, loggers, miners and ranchers, homosexuality being taught in schools, and the whole educational system for that matter, but we've got all kinds of time for bloodletting to avenge the deaths of 3000 people? How many do we need to kill before the avenging is finished, Kelly? Or does the whole Muslim religion NEED to be exterminated? After all, these men from the poorest country in the world just continue to hit us and hit us and hit us, don't they? After all, sovereignty belongs to Americans, exclusively, and just because we call our weapons, Weapons of "Extreme" Destruction, vs. Arab states and their "Weapons of "Mass" Destruction; I mean the distinction is clear, isn't it? We are superior, after all, aren't we? |
Date: 11/8/2002 8:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 9130
very interesting post.  |
Date: 11/8/2002 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
This is all beyond terrifying for me. I have developed an absolute love for our Constitution and holding it Supreme. I see this in play and the worst part is that I have no idea how to stop it other than to never give in to it myself.  |
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Date: 11/8/2002 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Deb you are likely thinking of a post about the Illuminati made over the summer, regarding a plot that is virtually the same. |
Date: 11/8/2002 10:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Vert, I've posted along these lines today and then we have haddams post. I find that when God wants message out he sees to it that its in our hearts and our little fingers go to typing.Very good post and I agree with you 100%  |
Date: 11/8/2002 10:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Perse, yes, the illuminate, our government, the freemasons, I've made two post in the past few days about this stuff also. I made a post about the illuminate before I just dont remember when, this is all coming into play and as I said On Haddams post, ""If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up."" Quotes from the Bible. and a BIG amen to that!
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Date: 11/9/2002 3:19:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
Kelly, forgiving the complex sentence structure used by writers of the past century, can you not see that Republicans themselves are anything but the point of this post? Republicans in general are good people, people who stand against the perverted and wasteful Democrats. The only problem is, as FreeGirl pointed out, when the talking stops and we get down do action, their agenda is as homosexual and exploitive as the "opposition." No, the point of this post is not "Republicans are evil." The point of this post is that this past week's election was the fulfillment of - not a prophecy - a prewritten script. The script found in Protocol 10, which is and always has been about the goals for the presidential term of George W Bush. |
Date: 11/9/2002 6:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 10146
Vert, I myself was amazed when I heard the results of the election this past week. I have heard so many People within the boundries of my little world, that do nothing but talk, dirt talk about George Bush and his Republican Party, (which I feel "HE" is worthy of) and all about the wrong things the President is doing, and what HE is about to do. Then after the elections I find that the American People just elected "MORE" of his kind to support him, giving him Even More power than he had before 9-11. So.., what things will he be able to accomplish now, since the Divided portion of the American Government (percentage wise) is on his side? When you hear mostly one thing, and then see the opposite, it appears that the Prewritten Script is being followed just as it was Written. Don't it?  |
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Date: 11/9/2002 7:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
I may have read that this past summer, Perse, but I have read about this stuff for over ten years now. And please let us distinguish against pre-written script of some men vs. a fulfilling of His Word in prophecy. For someone to "play God" in writing what is to happen independent of His Word, is the very definition (to me anyway) of "Satan". BTW, Kelly, as horrific as it was for 3000 people to lose their lives, do you ever stop to think why such a relatively small number died when the potential for death was at least 20 times more? God Bless. |
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Date: 11/9/2002 10:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 3321
Just to throw this out-I hate the titles given to the parties. When you are a "member" of the party, then you are a participating politician. Those of us that are just voters, etc., are not members, but we declare ourselves siding with a certain party. Just to clear that up for my own personal thing...I am more Center...and I am currently not really identifying too much with either party. Now for the clincher-we have had divided government for what seems like forever. The last time there was a UNIFIED Federal government in favor of the Republican party was around the time of FDR, I believe...or maybe it was Teddy Roosevelt-I just can't remember. The point is that this is RARE. Having a unified government is not that uncommon-the Democrats periodically have it, but do not make what seems to be conspiratorial plots out of it. Watching the elections this year was the greatest disappointment. So many offices that really, based on primaries and popular opinion, should have gone Democrat were mysteriously voted Republican. And then let us take another look at GW's Brother's state...Florida. I don't think that I would be re-electing someone who quite possibly could have perpetrated the 2000 election mess, and yet again, here in 2002, how does Florida lose 103,000 ballots? It seems that our perpetrating conspirators are getting clumsy. I have this entire plot on 2 different levels. On my first level is where I keep things basic-I just view this country through the Constitution and see two parties and a representative system into which I will enter as an attorney in the next 6 or so years and live happily ever after fighting the evils of the world that try to trample the Constitution. Then there is level 2, where I know all of the conspiracy theory that is just flat out too fitting to deny. And I'm scared. So what do we do? Well...I'm living on Level 1 and waging an internal fight on the evils of Level 2 I suppose... |
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Date: 11/9/2002 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
Persephone, sounds like you've got a grip on the situation and a handle on how to handle it. I agree - while there is a physical way to handle the almost "treasonous" way our present administration is being run - that is; trying to vote - voicing opposition to present policies through commentaries, letters to the editor, and educating one's self as to what is suppose to be done - as in use of the Geneva Convention Rules of War; the spiritual implications of a possible "plot" by those in power is not too far fetched. Especially to those of us who hold the Biblical prophecies in regard, and know of the "mark of the beast." I haven't posted it yet, but the day before the sniper was caught, the FDA did suprise approval of the "Verichip" formerly "Digital Angel," implantable microchip for identification purposes. Even those who are non Christian are aware of the implications of such a device. A dream of controlling the masses through implantation is not far fetched, either, unless you just think that leaders and politicians have no bad intent in their hearts and would never abuse their power. We all know that just isn't so, and need to regard all these present actions with high scepticism. Only those who blindly follow government, no matter what they do, can really convince themselves that losing our rights is a good thing in the end, if we are to be kept safe from "terrorists." |
Date: 11/10/2002 5:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
"They that can give up essential liberty
to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety, and ultimately will have neither." - Benjamin Franklin, who by the way never was a president. Haadam, your concerns are well founded. I have spoken to many who see no way that the Republicans could have won, because everyone in "their little world" was against giving more power to the present administration. Could it have something to do with electronic ballots being more easily fixed? Not much of paper trail, is there? |
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Date: 11/10/2002 5:27:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
You're right, FreeGirl! Unfortunately. Everyone have a look at these, and note the dates: http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/business_d36bb2ab505a70d200a1.html -- http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002Oct/gee20021024016949.htm |
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Date: 11/10/2002 4:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 10146
Boy of Boy Vert. Its really happening, Their pushing it, and it all is comming to a head! Vert, why wont they wake up? Thanks for those News report sites. The Implant is Official even as we speak. The Concentration (Protection Camps) are Official as we speak. We are being told about Evacuation plans of "INTIRE CITYS" and still, people look the other way. Will they take notice when they are being loaded in the trains? |
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Date: 11/10/2002 7:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
I think Daniel 12-10 explains it best, Haadam. "Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and NONE of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." |
Date: 11/17/2002 5:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 46565
I generally don't believe in this kind of stuff. It is interesting to read but I think it is mostly hogwash.  |
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Date: 11/23/2002 12:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
Case in point... ^ |
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Date: 11/23/2002 12:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Let's assume, for the sake of debate, this Learned elders of Zion junk has credibility, still two problems. 1) It is referring to republican forms of government not the Republican party. Notice the small r,Vert? 2) It refers to presidents, in the plural, and parliaments. It is referring to Europe, not the USA.Hugo |
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Date: 11/23/2002 12:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Of course it is much easier to label people wicked who recognize hogwash when they see it. Hugo |
Date: 11/23/2002 12:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 61790
Interesting post.  |
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Date: 11/23/2002 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 46565
case in point? I don't get it. but what I mean is I like reading about conspiracy theories but some of them are just really crazy. I could make up any conspiracy theory and say it is true and cite some rare book to back it up. Word domination conspiracies are dangerous becaue they make individuals feel that they are powerless and consequently people give up trying to actively change corrupt power structures because they think "what's the point." |
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Date: 11/24/2002 12:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Very good point Neon, if these conspiracy theorists are right that we are all under the control of evil tyrants then terrorism and assasinations are the only recourse. When a Council of Foreign Nations member is assasinated, conspiracy theorists will have blood on their hands. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 1:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Vert, the people you spoke to must live in a very liberal "little world". Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 1:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
To correct Vert's errors let me state that there have been two other Presidential deadlocks in our history. The election of 1800 and 1876 were both decided by Congress. In the 1800 election Jefferson and Burr received the same number of electoral votes, due to a later corrected glich that did not seperate votes for President and Vice President.Jefferson was chosen by Congress. In 1876 the Congress awarded disputed electoral votes in several states to Rutherford B. Hayes, robbing Samuel Tilden of the Presidency. Beware of those who learn their history from websites. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 2:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
NeonHaze, generalization is evil. You cannot participate in a debate by generalizing about a particular brand of conspiracy. Stay focused, and raise the issues you see with this post. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 2:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
To correct Hugo's errors, it's the Council on Foreign Relations, not the Council of Foreign Nations which concerns most conspiracists. I can't even name a single member, so stop sticking my label on the wrong box. =] Ah yes, both other electoral deadlocks happened before the Protocols were even written. You Googled those elections well - could have looked for the date of the Protocols' publication at the same time. Beware of those who formulate their responses from one-sided research. |
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Date: 11/24/2002 4:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 61311
Okay, basically you can just say "I hate republicans, they are the source of all that is unholy and wrong with this country" instead of writing paragraphs upon paragraphs of confusing "opinformation". |thefinalseraphim| |
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Date: 11/24/2002 4:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Basically Vert did not address the facts that a republican form of government and Europe is addressed in these Protocols not the Republican Party and the USA. What year were these Protocols written,Vert? Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 4:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Vert may try to sidetrack the debate, but, as he stated the point of this post is that this is a fulfillment of a preplanned script and that the recent elections in the USA fulfilled it. NO one can read these Protocals and not understand they concern Europe and republican forms of government. Not the USA and the Republican Party.And if you read his post you will see he referred to Bush's election as the only deadlock in our history, not since the writings of these Protocols. He is wrong on the sidetrack issue also. OK it is the CFR not the CFN, he did get me there.THE MAIN POINT: THESE PROTOCOLS CONCERN EUROPE AND rEPUBLICAN GOVERNMENTS. Not the USA and the Republican Party.Hugo |
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Date: 11/24/2002 5:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Read and learn: The Protocols can be read at http://aztlan.net/protocols.htm Appears they were written in 1895. Hugo |
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Date: 11/25/2002 7:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
That is correct Hugo. Just as I said, both other close elections took place before the Protocols were even written. Excuse the missing 'since' in my post. Most people can see past grammar and focus on the debate at hand though. Protocol X refers to a specific president (singular), and if you would care to read it you would see that there are many, many things which point to America and it's current administration as the topic on hand - almost the least of those indicators is the deadlock issue you seem to be hung up on. Now that Republicans run the country, when they present a revised constitution, will you still be going on about grammar? Since this post interests you, take the time to read the Protocol. |
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Date: 11/25/2002 7:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
It is referring to republican with a small r and parliaments and presidents. It is referring to republican forms of government and Europe. There is no doubt. Another conspiracy theory bites the dust. Hugo |
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Date: 11/25/2002 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
I guess you do not understand,Vert, what a small majority the Republicans do have. Nor the process to amend the Constitution. Actually it is socialists, that through activist judges, have eliminated the 9th and 10th Amendments. It is those on the left who are attacking, somewhat successfully, the Constitution. I am not surprised you attack the least socialistic of our two major parties. Hugo |
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Date: 11/25/2002 8:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 37354
Yes,Vert, leaving the word since out was a grammatical error and capitalizing the word REPUBLICAN so those who did not actually read the Protocols would infer it refered to the Republican Party not a republican form of government were not intentionally supposed to mislead the audience. Funny how your errors seem to make your point seems stronger than it really is. Pretty sad tactics. Hugo |
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Date: 11/29/2002 3:46:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
OK Hugo, can you suggest which European, republican president may be the one referred to here? Or even a country. Go ahead. Try to find one which fits the bill. |
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Date: 11/30/2002 8:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 46565
I think your confusing the US republican party with the idea of a republic. The term republican in this case is the type of government they are referring to not a political party. A "republic" is different form of government than a "democracy" or say "monarchy". There are republics in Europe hence republican governments and republican constitutions. |
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Date: 11/30/2002 8:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 37354
Actually the fact that this Protocol cannot be applied to any one country, proves this is an insignificant document written by men with delusions of grandeur. This document has no bearing on the world today. Only irrational fools would think so. |
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Date: 11/30/2002 9:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 37354
Actually, further study shows, historians view the Protocols as a forgwery concocted by the Czarist Intelligence service in Russia. |
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Date: 12/2/2002 7:14:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 46266
Want to speak of the historians, Hugo? While attributing this to a Czarist conspiracy, they unanamously balk in amazement at the precise fulfillment of the Protocols "to the letter," especially in the Economic world. You say that Protocol 10 cannot be applied to any country. It can be applied to America perfectly. Only the groundless assumption that they have limited their discourse to Europe closes your mind to this possibility. |
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Date: 12/2/2002 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 37354
As I stated earlier it can not be applied to America or the Republican Party it was a piece of Czarist propaganda meant to focus the Russian people on an outside enemy, not the Czar. The Protocols clearly refer to Europe and they are total rubbish anyhow. Only the truly gullible would give these Protocols a second thought.Hugo |
