Date: 10/31/2002 11:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
This is really my standard response to any suggestion on socialism, and I've yet to get a response. Who, in this socialist society, is going to provide the goods and services? What is their incentive to do so? And if so what reason if any would persuade one to seek inovation or greater productivity? Would all of mankind suddenly cease to want more than society allows?  |
Date: 10/31/2002 11:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 9130
I will stand by what I said on an earlier post about this. The way things are in the world today, and the way peoples mindset is currently, socialism is impossible.  |
Date: 10/31/2002 11:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 46527
Socialism will never replace Capitalism all the time there is greed and a 'me me me' mentality.  |
Date: 10/31/2002 11:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 16442
And so we just let 'big brother' come on in and make us all drones? Sounds like sooooo much fun....  |
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Date: 10/31/2002 11:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Not so much a Me Me mentality or people's mindset today. It's just human nature to want to excell and succeed, people talk about primitive society and collective tribes and societies etc. These primitive people also perfected another art- War. They were constantly protecting from or preparing for wars of conquest or for better land or raiding for goods, the entrepenurial spirit was alive and well. in modern time NO socialist government has succeded without A. Becoming a totalitarian regime (Soviet Union) or B. Adapting capitalist principles, along with totalitarianism (China). It just doesn't work and never will. |
Date: 10/31/2002 12:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
The reason why our capitalism seems to be so stressful and not working is because of socialists who think that we need to give half of our earnings to lazy degenerates who collect welfare for a living, with no intention of ever getting a job.  |
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Date: 10/31/2002 12:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Gasp!!! NKA! How dare you. But oh so very true, there are alot of people laying around who have obviously decided they are socialist, check out the nearest public housing developement. Socialism in action. |
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Date: 10/31/2002 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 2030
Actually though a "good" socialist government knows how to motivate those slackers NKA. Stalin used to line a few hundred up against the wall and machine gun them, fantastic way to instill the old "collective spirit". |
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Date: 10/31/2002 12:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
How about the housing developments that get demolished and rebuilt every 5 to 7 years. Yes, it is true. I worked for a construction company who won the GC bids for the next 5 demo and rebuild contracts at one housing project. People who live for free have no respect for anything or anyone, including themselves. So as mean and nasty as a socialist may think capitalism is, let me tell you, when I get my pay, I am proud that I worked for what I have and that no one handed it to me. I take care of my things and have respect for all that I have. Furthermore, I doubt that socialism contributes to one's imagination with the exception of the imagination it requires to implement new ideas for soaking the system dry. |
Date: 10/31/2002 12:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
The US already spends billions every year to feed other nations, are you willing to give 80% of YOUR pay to make sure no one goes hungry?..I suppose it is up to YOU to make of your life what you choose. If you feel you are a consumer of bland commodities, than stop consuming those bland commodities and do something else, like join the Peace Corp..  |
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Date: 10/31/2002 12:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 42792
Good point, BCAR! Imagine how horrible it would be to have to be told how much you can make and where you can live. Is Socialism really just Communism mutated...hmmmm.... |
Date: 10/31/2002 2:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i agree  |
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Date: 10/31/2002 2:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
by the way isnt samoa-america like this? |
Date: 10/31/2002 2:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
I think I can agree in principle, but the reality is that we live in such a competitive society, everyone always wants the edge up on everyone else, that this mindset (socialism) is not going to come about without one drastic change. And who knows? Maybe once the people of the world see that they really aren't the ones in "control", something like this could come about. God Bless.  |
Date: 10/31/2002 2:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 54429
Ok Hitler, Socialism works.  |
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Date: 10/31/2002 2:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 54429
You see this is what Hitler tried to do, and it didn't work, no matter what you do to try to make everyone equal, there's always something to be jelous of, such as hair, eye color, or whatever, it just doesn't work, and the scoialism is slavery. |
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Date: 10/31/2002 2:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 54429
Take that back, this is what Russia* tried to do. |
Date: 10/31/2002 3:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 49498
No soh, Russia put forth the belief that everyone and everything was equal, when they clearly weren't. Thats called communism. Hitler built his empire on socialism.  |
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Date: 10/31/2002 6:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
and the only hitler didnt succeed cause he was sick a genius but sick |
Date: 10/31/2002 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
God how left is this website   |
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Date: 10/31/2002 8:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Hitler used Fasicm not Socialism..... |
Date: 10/31/2002 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
I agree completely with BCAR on this one.  |
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Date: 10/31/2002 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
The grass is always greener on the other sided also. We aren't the worlds super power because capitalism is bad. |
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Date: 10/31/2002 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Hitler made Fasism work it was his miltary mistakes that made it fail. |
Date: 10/31/2002 9:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
1) IMO, the problem of starving children is a political one. One would think that, in a civilized culture, starving children would take precedent over a nuclear weapons program or the lavish enrichment of the head-of-state. Sadly, this is not the case. If we closely examine where the 600 million starving children live, I believe we will find they live in countries that seem to have enough money for military weapons, statues of the current head-of-state or lavish resorts and lifestyles for government officials. 2) Is there anyone who is so committed to socialism that every extra penny beyond what is needed to survive is sent to these poor children? IMO, it is certainly easier to speak about what others "should" do. 3) John Lennon's last will and testament indicates he did not follow the advice of his own song.  |
Date: 11/1/2002 4:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
BCAR and NKA said it best...  |
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Date: 11/1/2002 2:56:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 35060
As for providing the good and servies we have the capitlaist system at our disposal it can be used to work for us - production for use and not for profit. As for America giving billions of $ in political aid, that is laughable in the extreme! the US gives 0.1 % of it;s GDP in foreign aid, in fact the US is a net debtor, every American owes $20,000. The US national debt is very large and gettign larger every day. As for working and giving half your income to laxy degenerate, I agree, why should the tax dollars of working people subsidies the rich and the corporations? Corporate welfare in the US is huge. The agri-farmers receive massive hand-outs from the state. Bu I though capitalism was supposed to be self-suffiecient - how can business men go running crying to the state to pick up the tab? |
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Date: 11/1/2002 2:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 35060
If you don't agree with Socialism a good way to help those starving 600million would be to join a action aid campaign and give, say $10 a month , that'll help eh?! |
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Date: 11/1/2002 2:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 35060
As for lazy degenerares collectin wlfare, may jobs in the US are so poorly paid that workers are entitled to welfare. Guess what the republician answer is to women living in poverty - get married! Hopefully to a rich guy! |
Date: 11/1/2002 3:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
If you want socialism, go for it. I perfer to own my place in the country, work where I choose, and I would just as soon keep the government out of my business...  |
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Date: 11/2/2002 12:35:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 35060
You can't keep gov. out of your business Wild bob, this isn't the 19th century, gov. is too large now. |
Date: 11/2/2002 12:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
Capitalism in its purest form is a great idea. Work hard, and reinvest what you have left after overhead to strenghten your community. However, what we have happening today is not capitalism, but greed in its purest form. I am not a socialist, because I don't want to work hard, while someone else gets to live off of my labor, and not contribute labor of their own. That is socialism. I ache for starving children around the world, and I cry for those who have nothing. The only way to fix the greed in the capitalist system is to share the wealth, while making those who can work, work, and those who can't be cared for. There are no easy answers to this problem and simply replacing forms of government aren't going to solve anything. A work ethic and free market society can work and be productive to all, provided that men are moral and have some kind of compassion for their fellow man. Men's hearts have to change, not their form of economic market.  |
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Date: 11/2/2002 2:42:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 35060
Free girl you cannot reform capitalism, to think like that is to miss the point. Your point about people living off the labour of othere - you are describing the capitlaist system! Where a provliged minority live off the work the rest of us do! Or those who live of rents, interst or dividends. As for the 600 million starivng, under capitlaism how can they be helped by signing up to an action aid plan and giving $10 a month of your pay-check? |
Date: 11/3/2002 10:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 59876
american samoa is an american territory. my understanding of the get married issue was not to ease your poverty by marrying a rich man, but rather for these folks that are procreating and creating single parent welfare families to get married and provide stability for their children. socialism is a crock imo. people used to care for each other, not from the wallet, but from the heart. people took care of their own and everyone did their part. that is completely different from the aspects of socialism.  |
Date: 11/3/2002 6:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 38726
Although I love the song Imagine, and all that is said about Capitalism being evil, I must say, that only in America can a poor imagrant become a wealthy millionaire.Only in America can a poor farmers son, or daughter become President of the United States.Only in America can you walk into a supermarket, and pick from hundreds of different varieties of an item,and be able to afford to eat whatever you want, whenever you want, to some degree.Only in America can we initiate programs for the underprivileged, feed them, cloth them, house them, and provide medical care to some degree.We have choices in this country on where to live, where to work, to join or not join the military, and innocence before guilt in a trial of our peers,and although found guilty, still enjoy 3 meals a day,watch TV and sleep at night.We are allowed by law, to burn our own flag(which I do not agree with),practice which ever religon we choose,belittle our government, vote for whom ever we choose, with out fear of reprisal from the opposition, speak our minds, and excell to the best of our abilities with out government interference.Yeah, there are some down sides to all these benifits.Some people have learned to beat the system,(welfare fraud,Enron scandals,short term sentences, ect...)But the overall good of it beats out the bad.As for 6 million reasons......Dirty governments in third world countries are to blame.Sell your rhetoric to those there....we help out as much as possible, but we do not need too.We send foriegn aid,we send all kinds of these organizations and money ect....Any way, the wall fell, Soviet Russia no longer exists, so I guess we are doing something right.  |
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Date: 11/3/2002 10:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 35060
I'm sorry to correct you, the US send only 0.1% of it's GDP in foreign aid, the US is a net debtor, it's owes the UN $1 billion, not a creditor. |
