Date: 10/29/2002 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
What purpose is an embryo going to serve? If it can save a life then we should be all for it. I am sick to death of bleeding hearts crying about something that has no chance of a life that can help someone. While they are there let some good come from them.  |
Date: 10/29/2002 7:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Kurtvedder I totally agree.  |
Date: 10/29/2002 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 61763
what else will they use the embryo for? they're just going to throw it away, atleast stem cell research serves a purpose  |
Date: 10/29/2002 8:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 54570
bet if the whiners got a disease and stem cells would cure it they would be all for it at that moment!!!!  |
Date: 10/29/2002 8:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 3688
if it saves a life or changes a life, making it better then I'm all for it...heck i sure wish stem cell research had been around before i was born maybe then i wouldn't have the problems i do  |
Date: 10/29/2002 8:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 52866
Yes it should be allowed! What is WRONG with it?? NOTHING!!  |
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Date: 10/29/2002 8:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
I just can't understand how they can say that using an EMBRYO is murder when it could save so many people. |
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Date: 10/29/2002 8:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 52866
And an EBRYO isn't even a HUMAN...it's in development! So it's not MURDER... |
Date: 10/29/2002 8:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
I think it should be allowed! I am all for it. I don't believe a baby has a spirit until it comes into the air and hands of someone. When the cord is cut they come to life and are there. I have seen it! Abortions are used as birth control alot. So why not if it helps cure and save people. I say Yes! Good Post!  |
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Date: 10/29/2002 8:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
great sarcasm kitten, really great. |
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Date: 10/29/2002 8:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Luv Bug, here is the definition of an embryo: In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development. |
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Date: 10/29/2002 8:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Kitten do you think a FROZEN embryo has a soul? |
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Date: 10/29/2002 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 52866
Kitten babies "come to life" and "are there" while in the womb... |
Date: 10/29/2002 8:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
I agree with Stem Cell Research...a lot of people are suffering...and this suffering could well be eased or removed altogether with these advancements. An embryo may well be 'possible life in the making'...but lets worry about those who are ALREADY living right now...worry about what IS...not what MAY be. Peace,  |
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Date: 10/29/2002 9:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
I'm still waiting for a GOOD explanation about why anyone would be against stem cell research. |
Date: 10/29/2002 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
No it is not murder. lol  |
Date: 10/29/2002 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 57232
I am not against stem cell research all for it, but if you find the right bible beater they'll talk you down about how evil you are for believing in it, because to them it is to be the wrongest thing ever. Sacrilege (sp)  |
Date: 10/29/2002 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 12341
I'm for it! 100%  |
Date: 10/29/2002 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Many people are not aware that there are other sources of stem cells beside human embryos, including adult stem cells. Recent discoveries are exploring the possibility that fat from liposuctions may contain stem cells. In this light, stem cell research seems promising. These findings seem to rule out the necessity of embryonic stem cells. Incidentally, human embryos are human beings; they are the products of two human cells uniting and they possess human DNA. Scientifically, the issue is closed.  |
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Date: 10/30/2002 12:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 34814
Dizzy why are you on the defence? I am for it and no I don;t think a frozen EMBRYO has a soul. I was meaning if a woman can use abortions as birth control. Why can't we use an embryo to save a life. I am all got this subject. I was not being sarcastic. You just wanna fight with me! |
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Date: 10/30/2002 12:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 34814
What I meant is I don;t see a baby having a soul until they are born and the cord is cut and handed to the parents. I have been with friends during birth. That Baby isn't alive until it is born. You people misunderstood me. Wouldn't want any live Love Bugs while in your womb..Love Bug! |
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Date: 10/30/2002 12:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 34814
So childish to say something like that back to someone acting their shoe size and not their age. |
Date: 10/30/2002 1:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 46527
Without research we cannot move forward....the embryos from which these cells are taken would not be used to create a living child, surely it would be worse to waste them completely?  |
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Date: 10/30/2002 1:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 46527
Kitten, when you have been pregnant yourself try coming back and making that comment again, I think you had better bring some sauce to help you eat your words! |
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Date: 10/30/2002 1:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 46527
Try telling the woman whose baby dies in her womb at 30+ weeks that it's OK, it wasn't a real baby yet as it didn't have a soul! Oh she might have felt it moving and responding to her words, BUT as it hadn't come into the air and been 'handed to the parents' it wasn't alive. For goodness sake THINK! |
Date: 10/30/2002 5:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 51635
I'm for the research...they have recently found that the fluid in the ambilicle cord contains stem cells...I do however think that if an embryo isn't going to be allowed to grow in to a baby that it should be used for some good, not just disposed of...and yes, once the sperm enters the egg, it's a life...to say that it isn't is simply ignorant...there are pleanty of single celled organisms in this world that are considered to be alive, so think about it....  |
Date: 10/30/2002 11:01:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Alfrowi-- I am well aware of the use of adult stem cells, but the are not nearly as effective. Here is some info as to why: Because adult cells are already specialized, their potential to regenerate damaged tissue is very limited: skin cells will only become skin and cartilage cells will only become cartilage. Adults do not have stem cells in many vital organs, so when those tissues are damaged, scar tissue develops. Only embryonic stem cells, which have the capacity to become any kind of human tissue, have the potential to repair vital organs. Another limitation of adult stem cells is their inability to proliferate in culture. Unlike embryonic stem cells, which have a capacity to reproduce indefinitely in the laboratory, adult stem cells are difficult to grow in the lab and their potential to reproduce diminishes with age. Therefore, obtaining clinically significant amounts of adult stem cells may prove to be difficult.
http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/stemcells/?get=facts |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:01:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Love Kitten-- I thought you were being sarcastic because it is such a RIDICULOUS comment. |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:02:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
LSR-- I agree with your comments |
Date: 10/30/2002 11:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
yes it should be allowed and we are already seeing the benefits of it..they've discovered the cure to several diseases and hereditary problems as well as well on their way to figuring out how to help us regenerate everything from a limb to a tooth.  |
Date: 10/30/2002 11:12:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
If it can save lives why not? I am probably going to die of ALS in 10-20 years unless they find a cure. If stem cell research can fix that then I am all for it!  |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
LMAO@ love kitten ---LOL@ you too dizzy hehehehehehehe....thanks for the belly laugh 8-P |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:13:00 AM ( Admin-JGB )
You are talking about using "discarded embroys" such as the result of an abortion to use cells from right?... Me personally I think it is useful and should be explored however, I think the argument against it's use, comes from a fear of science making embroys to use for this instead of using abortion results. Also as one person put it, the desensitizing of society as to the value of life, being that MANY disagree on where life actually begins. |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:13:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
The more I re-read your comments Love Kitten, I cannot see how you are serious. Please explain how a childs soul doesn't enter the body until it is "born" |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 25828
not just born dizzy..'when the cord is cut and handed to the parents'..hehehehehehehehehehe 8-P |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 18527
good point LSR |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
:P @ Heather hehehe |
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Date: 10/30/2002 11:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Jungabel-- that is one of the contreversial issues-- whether they should use aborted fetuses for stem cell research or of they should just use frozen embryos. They can also use umbilical cord blood. |
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Date: 10/30/2002 12:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 34814
I don't think a baby has a soul until it is born Dizzy what don't you understand? |
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Date: 10/30/2002 12:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Love kitten-- you said it doesn't have a soul until the cord is cut. How exactly does the soul magically enter the baby as the cord is cut? Why is it you say "when the cord is cut it comes to life and is there" where was it before the cord was cut? |
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Date: 10/30/2002 2:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 46527
Perhaps it enters through the newly cut cord perchance? |
Date: 10/30/2002 3:07:00 PM ( Admin-JGB )
come on now you could stretch the thinking to include once the mother is not support of the child any more, therein comes the soul?? no??  |
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Date: 10/30/2002 9:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
Thanks for your response, DizzyMe. The information I obtained indicates that, as of April, 2002, no humans have been treated with embryonic stem cells. Any progress in this regard seems to be solely from adult stem cells [http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-smith042302.asp]. I am not automatically against the use of embryonic stem cells, provided the ethics are prioritized. IMO, the push to use the stem cells of aborted fetuses has become a rationale for abortion. For me, the truth is undeniable: those fetuses are clearly and unmistakably human, and "harvesting" them for stem cells because "they are already aborted" is robbing Peter to pay Paul. The policy of canceling a new generation to benefit an existing one is ambiguous and needs to be questioned. |
Date: 10/30/2002 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Jeez back off love kitten, everyone is entitled to there own opinion. Ok she believes that the sould doesn't enter it until it is BORN. The cord being cut is kinda right when it is born. She believes it, thats REALLY not the issue here. The issue is, that if the soul isn't in the baby until it is born, than stem cell is ok. But the whole abortion thing to me, is the POTENTIAL of life. The potential that the stem cell could be a child, a living breathing child. Now, I am not saying that I am against...or for it... I really don't know enough about it. But playing the devil's advocate, where do you draw the line between extracting emyros and actual abortion...I mean when they run out of there resivour(sp?) where do they go? And when they extract them from mothers just for this, is this not abortion? Taking away POTENTIAL life? I understand all the good it can bring, once again, just spicing up the one sided debate, I have no real opinion as of yet.  |
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Date: 11/1/2002 8:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 53182
The thing is, vitaldeath, there really isn't a resavoir that CAN be depleated. as long as women are having abortions for there own reasons, there will always be aborted fetuses. theres really no need to go out and abort fetuses for the soul perpose of Stem cell research. so many are being aborted anyway. I, too, have yet to hear a true argument against it in the news. I think Bush just made it all up, really. heh. -the lost boy |
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Date: 11/2/2002 7:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 51979
See I didn't know they used it off aborted fetuses...ok it makes sense now. But then you have to think would people who are against abortion be against it? I think that if the babies are already dead...I despise abortion but if its going to happen, why not have something poitive with it. |
Date: 11/2/2002 8:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 57054
i totally agree with you dizzyme. most of the embryos that we could use are left over, disgaurded. and if we dont use them for their stem cells then they will be trashed. we need this. they are not yet humans. this could be such a great thing for us. we could cure so many things...  |
Date: 11/2/2002 12:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
Stem cell research can be done with adult cells as well, DM, and what happens when you run out of embryonic cells to use? Robbing eggs from women? Using baby parts for any medical research is disgusting, degrading and wrong, imho.  |
Date: 11/3/2002 10:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 59876
i think before i discuss this i need a better idea of what fetal stage we are talking about here. fertalized egg? 8 week embryo? as for using aborted fetuses, that would be a positive aspect of abortion, but it would also be one more validation for abortion. what i mean by that is i really feel that it is wrong to use abortion as birth control. there are plenty of other methods of birth control and i find it disturbing for people to casually toss away life (and don't even talk to me about what a hard choice it is, that is crap and not relevant to my question) that has nerve, brain, and muscular functions, eyes, limbs, and a heartbeat. all of that occurs in under 10 weeks. so to me, the stage of development at which stem cell extraction would occur is an important issue. yes i can read this for myself, but i want a better understanding so would someone please enlighten me? thank you.  |
Date: 11/3/2002 6:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Free Girl-- it is not as effective-- see my above comment to Alfrowi
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