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Not 1 Death or Sickness

  Author: 57718  Category:(News) Created:(10/3/2002 11:11:00 AM)
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elow is English Translation of the Explanation/Statement by Dr. Simoncini, MD, Head of FORCES Italiana To understand it fully, one does not have to be a physician. All the diseases attributed to smoking are also present in non smokers. It means, in other words, that they are multifactorial, that is, the result of the interaction of tens, hundreds, sometimes thousands of factors, either known or suspected contributors – of which smoking can be one. Now, follow this: if I have 2 factors, the way they can possibly combine is 22 – 1 = 3; three factors, 23 – 1 = 7; ten factors, 210 – 1 = 1,023. Among the factors are genetic makeup, environment, diet, amount of tobacco in function of the specific health condition of that life period, stress, and so on, and so on. Cardiovascular disease has over 300 known factors interacting; lung cancer over 40. Never mind calculating 2 300 – 1! Now, to sort them out, there is a primitive tool that really works poorly, called multifactorial epidemiology; its job is to try to isolate the cause, which is impossible.

Since the antis are stating with great certainty that primary smoke "causes," or passive smoke "causes"… The question asks, simply, to find one human being where tobacco can be proven to be the sole cause (etios) of his/her disease (pathos; etiopathology = the cause of the disease), that is, to be sure that tobacco did it. Monocausality is the only way to be sure. Since the only possible answer is "no," the question that follows is: "Then, if you cannot even prove your claims for ONE among the millions you claim die (or are sick) from smoking, how can you be sure that tobacco does it?".

The con work of the antismokers is on the ignorance of people. Epidemiology has defeated many diseases: small pox, TB (almost) etc, and it has helped to keep track of stuff like Ebola and AIDS. But those diseases are MONOFACTORIAL: one cause, one effect. People do not know that ALL "tobacco-related diseases" are multifactorial in the extreme, and believe that the same epidemiology that has worked for small pox is at work for smoking. This is not to say that smoking does not cause disease: it probably does; we just cannot say how much. It follows that all the figures we hear are fantasy and wild guess game, right?

True, medicine cannot be an exact science – and no one expects it to be. But, given the size of the claims, one would expect that one case in, say, 10 millions could be certified simply by random chance! But it is not so, and if you really think about the little formula above, you can see why. Imagine a roulette with 300 numbers: what are your chances to hit the zero? (try asthma: thousands of continuously changing co-factors, and they blame passive smoke!) That is why the porno-pictures you see on your packs are real, but the chance that that stroke you see in the picture, for example, is actually caused by smoking are infinitesimal – although, technically, the possibility that it is due to smoking is real.

And this is for DIRECT smoking; in passive smoke, well, the possibility of isolating a monofactorial etipathology is probably one in more than all the stars in the cosmos, which are more than all the grains of sand on all the beaches of the earth.

I hope I have been exhaustive enough. If there are further questions, do not hesitate to ask; if I don’t have the answer, I will find it; and if there is no answer, differently than the antismokers, I’ll say that "I don’t know!"

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Date: 10/3/2002 1:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 53284    Your argument is simplistic. If you look at 10,000 smokers and 10,000 non smokers, you will see a much higher percentage of smoking related illness among the smokers. Not 100% of the smokers will suffer from an illness. The tobacco industry used to use arguments like yours to try to demonstrate that smoking didn't cause lung cancer because there are people who smoke that don't have lung cancer. But if you look at large groups of people you will find that smoking is definitely bad for then health of the group, but not every individual in the group.  
Date: 10/3/2002 2:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 13729    I am no advocate of smoking to say the least. I smoke and hate the fact that I do. I have tried many times to quit and will continue trying until I succeed. But the fact of the matter is that 50% of the people who get lung cancer never smoked...This is not to say that smoking isnt bad for you...It is...There are many other ailments you can get from smoking....  
Date: 10/3/2002 8:24:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 57718    Noone is arguing that smoking is not bad for you, the point is only that for every disease smoking supposedly causes there is proof that there are a multitude of things working together that actually cause the disease. Agreement is smoking may very well be one of those things. But while smoking may be one of those things, so is the sun, or some other equally "harmless" substance.

It's like this, at this time science can say "people who are in the sun alot, smoke alot, eat high calorie foods, and drink coffee get more skin cancer, so therefore the sun, smoke, food, and coffee all work together to HELP cause skin cancer." That's the point, smoking doesn't CAUSE disease. A multitude of things cause disease. Smoking may be part of that, but it isn't all of it. To make "smoking causes disease" your sole basis of arguement is inaccurate. Smoking doesn't CAUSE it, but smoking probably helps it. But at the same time, remember the sun helps it, french fries help it, coffee helps it. Many things working together cause disease. I can't wait to see someone try to outlaw the sun, another class A carcinogen. Point of this article though is that NOONE has found a disease where smoking is the sole cause. So noone can accurately say smoking kills. They can say that smoking is MAY BE a contributing factor. Name me one disease that smoking CAUSES, not even lung cancer falls into that category, though smoking naturally has a big effect on it as it weakens a smokers lungs. But if smoking CAUSED it, then ALL smokers would have lung cancer. I don't, and never in all the smokers I've known have I ever MET someone with lung cancer. So, while smoking may (and probably does) contribute, it isn't the sole cause.

BTW, that 22-1=3 etc is supposed to be 2 to the 2nd power. 2 to the 300th power, etc.
Date: 10/4/2002 11:16:00 AM  From Authorid: 32861    have you seen anyone close to you die from cancer because they smoked??Its a very hard thing to deal with. I just buried my grandfather yesterday. He died from cancer that was caused from smoking. And he hasn't touched a cigarette for 50 some years.
How about other smoking-related illnesses? My grandmother died from emphysema. She couldn't breathe beacause of smoking. I could sit and argue with you all day, but I don't want to waste my energy on something you think you believe in so much, because I know
how hard it is to change someone's mind when they have "scientific proof" that says they're right. Bull. Smoking kills people and that's all I have to say to you.
  

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