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What I learned in Criminolgy class tonight...

  Author:  15319  Category:(Discussion) Created:(9/25/2002 9:02:00 PM)
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#1: We were discussing how a man in a nearby state used a fraudlent check made out for $29,000 to purchase a new car for $14,000 cash. The fraud had the DEALER on the defensive end, by implying maybe he didn't have the $15,000 in change he needed. Furious, the dealer forgot all about the checks validity, and was totally focused on proving he had the funds. The man drove off with the new car and $15,000 in cash. After the dealer discovered the check was fake, he called police, who soon discovered the identification and creditentials the man presented upon buying the car were fake also.

Dealer: Out one car and $15,000.

Fraud: Sold car for $25,000, made $40,000 total profit. If they caught him TODAY, by law the man MIGHT get 6 months in prison. However, there is a man locked up in Atlanta, Ga right now serving life for pulling a knife on a store clerk and running off with $45 in cash. Lets see. $40,000 = 6 months, $45 = life. Know why? Threat of violence. Fraud wore suit, tie, respectable looking. Thief wore blue jeans, sweater, thug looking. Threat of violence made a WORLD of difference.

#2: We got to discussing George W. Bush and Saddam Hussain. The majority of the class voiced Bush is justified in using force to get Hussain out. The instructer, the Investigations Captain b.t.w. (bear in mind this class is INSIDE the Sheriffs Office) asked why. The class's answer? Hes a threat to our National Security. To which the Capt. replied, "But in Saddams eyes, AMERICA is a threat to HIS National Security. Think about it, we're telling HIM we're going to force him out if he doesn't leave on his own. What makes it OK for us and WRONG for him?" The class fell silent.

#3: He related the case of the woman who is sueing McDonalds because her hot coffee spilled on her. "Who finds this total and complete B.S.?" he asked. ALL the class raised their hands. He continued, "So did I, until I read the case study." He then related the following to us:

*The woman was about 80 years old

*The woman lost 1/3rd her thigh because the coffee burned her so badly

*Due to a default in the coffee machine, instead of the coffee being 125 degrees, it was almost at 270. We also learned McDonalds REFUSED to recall the machines, citing the obvious cost of repairing them.

On another note, he touched on Felony Murder. He mentioned if he robs a store, then speeds away and hits a 5 year old girl, hes committed a Felony Murder, his sentence will be somewhere between 50-life. He then mentioned that Ford KNEW of a default in some of its Mustangs and Pintos in which the gas tank was weak, usually resulting in the rupture of the tank and explosion of the car.

Get this guys! He told us that according to the memos from some of the top Executives of Ford, they would deny fixing the tanks and just pay the handful of wrongful death suits that occured. He asked was Ford guilty of Felony Murder, to which no one said yes. His reply was:

"Why not? If Ford knows AHEAD of time people WILL die from use of this product, and they allow it anyway, that to me is premeditated 1st degree Felony Murder, since they did nothing to prevent the deaths of the people"

Again, the class fell silent.

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Date: 9/25/2002 9:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 59286    Very interesting! Keep posting, I would love to go back to school if I had the time and money. Regina  
Date: 9/25/2002 9:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 59418    woah that is so interesting!! weird tho how stealin 45dollars can get u a life sentence lol..metal princess  
Date: 9/25/2002 9:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 38474    You have an excellent instructor, criminology was one of my favorite classes while I was in the academy. The sentences for white collar crime make me sick. Someone can ruin your life by robbing you blind and as long as they do it in a suit and tie without brandishing a weapon, they will get off with a piddly short sentence in a minimum security prison. Great post........  
Date: 9/25/2002 9:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 59876    wow your instructor sounds awesome. i'll brt you like that class? a good teacher makes all the difference  
Date: 9/25/2002 10:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 37900    Regarding Point 2: Saddam was tolerable when he was killing his own people; he crossed the line when he began sponsoring terrorists to kill people in other nations. The United States disagrees with dictators, but we generally leave them alone if they confine their activities to their own countries. Fidel Castro would be an example. Saddam's extra-national activities give us ample reason to remove him from power. Regarding Point 3: Pure water at sea level boils at 212 degrees. Coffee would boil at a slightly higher temperature. IMO, it would be impossible for an open cup of coffee to boil at 270 degrees. First, because the temperature of a liquid does not increase while it is boiling; second, because that temperature could only be attained by using a pressurized container, which McDonald's does not. Regarding your final point: nearly every product carries with it a chance of death, however slight. This is especially true of food, medicines and machinery. How far do we wish to carry this idea of felony murder? Good post!  
Date: 9/25/2002 11:29:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15319    Alf, it seems impossible on a physics standpoint, but the temp of that coffee WAS at almost 270. I know it sounds odd, it sounded odd to me too. And to everyone that said the instructor is a great teacher, your right, he is. I only wish you could talk to him in person.  
Date: 9/26/2002 12:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 39370    Wow! This was great and very interesting!   
Date: 9/26/2002 12:58:00 AM  From Authorid: 47699    This is a very, very interesting post. I look forward to reading more of this sort of thing. Please keep us up to date on your classes.   
Date: 9/26/2002 11:58:00 AM  From Authorid: 53284    The coffee temp was 170 degrees not 270. I would really like to attemd that class. He is really a teacher because he makes a logical statement then rips it. It would really get me to put my thinking cap on.....  

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