Date: 9/23/2002 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 19482
That is NOT FAIR AT ALL! NO SCHOOL should punish you for not standing up for the pledge! ITS A FREE COUNTRY!!  |
Date: 9/23/2002 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 24003
I dont think its a crime. Geez  |
Date: 9/23/2002 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i don't think people should be forced to be proud of thier country  |
Date: 9/23/2002 8:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
I don't think anyone should be forced to say the pledge let alone stand for it.  |
Date: 9/23/2002 8:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 23963
Hi, BB I heard something that you no longer have to say it but I have a teacher that will make you say it LOL. I don't understand this either and I hope to see some answers here in your post that will answer this. Much love and hugs to you and to ALL!   |
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Date: 9/23/2002 8:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 53052
i think the child should refuse to do the punishment and go to the school board and appeal it! why should he be forced to clean something because he chose not to stand and say it, it's just words maybe he wasen't proud of his country he has a right to not be proud |
Date: 9/23/2002 9:00:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 23619
well im glad im not the only one who was outraged  thanks all for your comments, i think we could raise a pretty good debate over this  |
Date: 9/23/2002 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 10534
i don't think he should be punished at all. geez. he can sit if he wants to.  |
Date: 9/23/2002 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 59876
i don't think he should have gotten a saturday school. this is just an issue that is lately come to light and peeps still don't know how to handle it. that is why there is so much contradiction going on right now. i don't think however that there is a reason a person couldn't stand and maintain a respectful silence. it is one thing to exercise your rights and another to make sport of it. how far does it have to be taken to make a point? and how fair would the disruption caused to the class be? the teacher was flat out wrong and this will continue to happen until the rules are finally laid down. why didn't his parents intervene? if he is your age then he is old enough to be forming his own opinions and to start choosing his own paths. i don't mean as in rebellion but as in ya'll are almost adults and on your own.  |
Date: 9/23/2002 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you in certain aspects of this. While it is wrong to be forced to do something like this it is still part of the school's rules. If it wasn't part of the school's rules they could be sued for unfair treatment and harrassment of a student. So your friend broke the rules and got punished until the rules change no matter how stupid you should be prepared to pay the price if you are caught.  |
Date: 9/23/2002 10:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 47699
When did 'God' get to be such a dirty and objectionable word? If you want to know the truth, I think it's all just a lame excuse for pure laziness and the rebellious stage that almost all kids go through. Whatever happened to having love and respect for one's country and creator? I think that some parents today tend to be lazy and lousy. You have to remember that they are a part of the disgusting 'me' generation, for the most part. So many people are so selfish and self-absorbed, it makes me sick. They don't even feel the responsibility to raise their kids to be decent citizens with decent values. They don't seem to care what they do as long as it doesn't involve or inconvenience them in any way. If anyone doesn't appreciate this great country, maybe they should just leave it. I'm sorry but that's just how I feel.  |
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Date: 9/24/2002 12:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 55875
I agree Frank. The latest (DE)generation has no respect for anything except their "rights" to protest anything having to do with disipline or rules. Why didn't they make such an uproar over this in the 80's, 70's, etc. They don't have to say it, just stand and shut up!! I'm sure the child will be fine. It's funny how people can complain about our nation and it's laws, yet still live here. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do", or...get out!!! Benzman |
Date: 9/24/2002 5:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 58308
Hey! I'm with Frank and Benzman. They have said it all. Zeeboette  |
Date: 9/24/2002 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 24732
I thought it was illegal to do that? Because there was this Jehova's whitness girl in our class and she said that a teacher could not make her stand for the pledge because it was against her religion. She just always sat down.  |
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Date: 9/24/2002 12:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 23619
well i never saw "standing up for the pledge of allegiance" written in any rules about the school. And the stupid thing is, the only time we started doing the pledge of allegiance at all, was after 9/11 last year. That's when all of a sudden our school was feeling "patriotic" |
Date: 9/24/2002 4:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
what the (big no no f word) its unconstitutional to do that i never stand for the pledge because i dislike having to be patriotic by talking to fabric  |
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Date: 9/24/2002 4:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
frank and benzman we are our "degeneration" isnt becoming more rebellious but more knowledgeable about our surroundings if you dont like it have kids and teach them how you want dont question another parents authorities for a difference in opinion but then again your strong christians so im guessing difference scares the crap out you |
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Date: 9/24/2002 6:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 23619
oo good point jestr. Having people tell you what to think just isn't how i see growing up. The way people grow up in unison is just kinda freaky. But in some aspects people contradict themselves. They tell us to be creative and come up with your own ideas. Some of our ideas go against their's and we get in trouble for it. |
Date: 9/25/2002 12:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 160
If one does not want to recite the Pledge of Allegiance they should not be forced to do so, but should stand at attention to show respect.  |
Date: 9/25/2002 4:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 57225
no, i don't think its fair at all. they can't MAKE you say the pledge of allegience if you don't want to, and you shouldn't be punished for standing up for what you believe in. and our country is supposed to be free?? pssshh. And Frankenstein..nobody said 'God' was a dirty word, and just because someone might not believe in God doesn't mean they are rebeling or going through a stage..don't assume all teenagers are the same. And just because he chose not to say it DOES NOT mean that he doesn't honor and respect this country..since when do you hafta say a pledge to prove your patriotism? I love this country and i'm proud of it but I don't hafta say the pledge of allegience to a piece of red, white and blue material every day to prove that and i shouldn't have to. And saying that the de-generation is lousy and lazy? it isnt right AT ALL to stereotype a whole generation based on the acts of some. People aren't trying to cause an uproar by voicing their beliefs. Today's generation is just more observant and knowledable about whats really going on and they're more willing to stand up and say what they feel.  |
Date: 9/25/2002 8:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 27270
You don't have to recite it if you have a problem w/ it. But standing is common courtesy, it's the least one can do  |
Date: 9/26/2002 7:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
No, it's not right to punish him. The pledge of allegiance says the word "god" in it and there are people who don't believe in God. And if he doesn't, then he shouldn't be forced to say it. Heck, I never say the pledge of allegiance in school. Sure, I stand up, but I don't say it because it's infringing on other peoples' beliefs! It's not constitutional!  |
Date: 9/30/2002 1:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 8090
Yes, I think it is totally fair. If you don't respect our country or our flag, than move to another country. Not many of you kids realize how lucky you are to live in the United States of America. Reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in school, is one way of teaching children respect for our forefathers who made it possible for the U.S. to be "the land of the free". Just a little f.y.i.  |
Date: 9/30/2002 7:28:00 AM
From Authorid: 28363
Even bacl in my day, it was well know that some religions refused to stand for the pledge. I dont think the kid should be punished for it.  |
Date: 9/30/2002 7:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 61790
This post is the reason schools are sued so much-they don't realize that even kids can make their own decisions. ~Apoc  |
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Date: 9/30/2002 2:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 8090
What religion wouldn't let you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance? It sounds ridiculous to me. I'm sure a kid in Mexico would trade that kid addresses anyday, lol. Yep, Bluebunny, I guess this would make a good debate.lol |
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Date: 10/3/2002 5:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 23619
Yeah i'd have to agree with some of you when you say that standing is just polite, but that's always been my view, and it's just the way i was brought up. But if someone really doesn't want to, i don't think they should be punished for it. It's their choice. |
