Date: 9/12/2002 7:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 52866
Yeah, true, but they don't deserve any respect  |
Date: 9/12/2002 7:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 55255
brain washed  |
Date: 9/12/2002 7:58:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
No they dont deserve any respect. And brainwashed? Me or the terrorists? Yes they are brainwashed, but needless if a man went and died for our country he WOULD be glorified HERE.  |
Date: 9/12/2002 8:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
i would definitely say courageous ... it's just an adjective, not positive nor negative . . . was it me, or did anyone else (aside from bill mahr) find it rather funny that dubya on 9/11 was calling the terrorists cowards, as he waited til all planes were grounded, got on his airplane (surrounded by f16's) to hide out in sac airforce base in omaha .... heh ....  |
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Date: 9/12/2002 8:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 55255
yes but glorified like in battle not some sneak attack suicide trip |
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Date: 9/12/2002 8:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 55376
I am sure Bush would have come out looking much braver if he had known about the attacks ahead of time. Og |
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Date: 9/12/2002 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
very true . . . and i am not saying that he WAS a coward, in fact he was probably the most hunted man for the alqueda ... but the situation itself lends itself to humor ... |
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Date: 9/12/2002 9:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 55376
Yes it did. Og |
Date: 9/13/2002 2:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 23610
I can't agree with the concept of killing innocent people being "courageous". It might be more brave to actually stand and face your enemies face to face than to hide behind a cause that supports killing innocent people who have done nothing to you while proclaiming to do so for religious reasons. If these people have a problem with our government they should take it up with them. To consider your own death heroic when in reality you are murdering innocent people means to me that the person is either insane or brainwashed or has a "hero complex". If one wants to be courageous and heroic I'm sure there are better ways to go about it. No...what they did is no more courageous than suicide is. But at least with suicide a person is only taking their own life and not the lives of others who really do want to live and make a difference in the lives of their families, friends, and society. Murder and suicide are not courageous in my book...just a lazy way to look for an easy answer to a solution that would probably have taken more thought and action.  |
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Date: 9/13/2002 6:50:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 51979
While you make a good point Nyx, I don't think I could pilot a plane into a building....and I am not talking about them killing people, I am talking about the act in itself. It is couragous that they would give there lives up for the cause, but I despise them, but it is how they do it. I despise them. |
Date: 9/13/2002 7:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 53500
You seem to be running yourself in circles. Both courageous and cowardly? Um, a bit of an impossibility there. These people are psychotic, that's the only word for it. I think running into a market and blowing yourself up the act of a derranged lunactic. Think about it, were the kids that went on a shooting spree at Columbine courageous? By your defination, the answer is yes. If a US citizen ran into a McDonalds and blew it up, would we or anyone view it as courageous? Of course not. So we can't apply a double standard here. These folks are cowards, taking a short cut. In Islam, salvation is by works. A Muslim does NOT have any guarantee that they will be in Heaven. Therefore, they are to act righteous in hopes that they will get there. But, there is a way to "skip" all this nicey, nicey stuff and go right to heaven. Martyrdom. These guys (and girls) are taking the easy way out. This is not courage. But I don't lay too much blame on them. They are raised this way, the problem is with the leaders, the ones teaching them this. Of course isn't it interesting those leaders don't lead by example. SUEDE  |
Date: 9/13/2002 7:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 61790
Nothing is impossible, and this is the type of thing that's totally true-Couragous and cowardly. It's called a paradox. As for the Columbine kids-they weren't couragous OR cowardly-they were the equivalent of being brainwashed. (look up the autopsy results-they were on prescribed mind altering drugs to treat different psycological disorders, and the one was forced onto them)  |
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Date: 9/13/2002 8:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 23610
I do understand what you are saying, Vital Death. I don't think I could do that either. But doing it does not make a person any more courageous that a person who commits suicide by jumping off a bridge. Just hopeless, lacking a love of life, and probably suffering one form or another of some type of mental disturbance. |
Date: 9/13/2002 9:38:00 AM
From Authorid: 20104
Yeah I see what you are saying.  |
Date: 9/13/2002 9:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 54987
It's the kind of courage born of fanaticism. And fanaticism is the indoctrination of their religion and the brainwashing that is so necessary to get young people to do that. I don't see old people strapping bombs to themselves. Or Arafat volunteering to do it. I wouldn't strap explosive to myself for anything. I'm much to much of a coward - Coolade  |
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Date: 9/13/2002 9:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 53500
Apoc, a paradox is a contradicition that SEEMS to be true. This does not make it true. There are things that are impossible. I know people attempting to be "deep" will say otherwise, but alas, not all things are possible. I have a friend who is on prescribed mind altering drugs. He flipped out in 97'. But, he doesn't want to go on a killing spree. Ah, another American saying "It's not my fault. It's society, it's my parents, it's these drugs, the kids pick on me, does my butt look big in these jeans, it's the media, it's violent movies and video games". How typical. Did those prescribed drugs make those boys like Nazism? Love Hitler? Heavy Metal? Wear all black? Sorry mind altering drugs, prescribed or not, will only bring out what's already there. In the words of Comedian Chris Rock, "What ever happened to just plain crazy?" SUEDE |
Date: 9/13/2002 6:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 60162
A lot of time and effort went into the plain of attacking America, I agree but it should not been seen as heroic or courageous in anyway. They feel cheated and their religion beilives in suicide as a measure of protecting their country and doing what they feel is right. It would be hard to kill yourself, I agree, but they think they are doing it for a higher power, one that approves and will keep them safe in their heaven. I hope that makes sense.  |
Date: 9/16/2002 9:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 24732
I think they are more brainwashed then they are courageous.  |
Date: 9/16/2002 11:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 37900
These people are not courageous because their intent is to kill as many of the enemy as they can. True courage does not require that others die for my beliefs. I think "reckless" or "irresponsible" would be better descriptions.  |
Date: 1/2/2005 5:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 7574
I think they're insane...and brainwashed...  |
