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What makes a 'True' wiccans? by Kaja aka Queen Crazy

  Author:  15675  Category:(Debate) Created:(9/9/2002 7:30:00 PM)
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Okay to begin with I don't mind who comments as long as you don't say wicca is devil worship etc... This isnt a christian wiccan debate lol! Also I would like to say I know not all wiccans are like this but I must ask their opinion for curiosity sakes. I've been a wiccan 2 years, 1 year study, 1 year practicing :). Now I read all the books I can (I don't believe everything I read but you can learn things from some of them) and articles on USM and paganwiccan.about.com and other trustworthy sites. I consider myself ever learning as most wiccans always are. Now I don't believe in skyclad (for non practioners that means doing your rituals nude) and no offense to any gardenians but some things I've read from and about that guy I don't agree with (someone on USM had a quote of him saying gay was wrong (I'm not gay nor do I know anyone who is gay) and I highly disagree with that.) and I also don't believe in ceremonial magick where you call up a lot of non deity things (undines, gnomes, animals, those guards for the corners cant remember their names, faeries, divas, etc...) I guess I'm for good old 'religious magick' if you will where if you need something you ask the god and goddess for it and may do a spell involving them for it. Anyways one day not to long ago an old 'wiccan' (I dunno i dont think he deserves the term) emailed me and was asking if I did skyclad, ceremonial magick, great rite (for non practioners its an old practice not usually performed today where the high priest and high preistess um...had relations), wanted a teacher for and with both. The part that makes me either classify this guy as a non wiccan or a bad one is that he asked for pictures of me doin skyclad! Just a note to people I wouldn't do that in private let alone take pictures and blast them to anyone especially over the net. Well anyways to be curtious I just wrote back no pics and no way in the world would i do any, and that I don't believe in the other three. This guy claimed to be a gardenian since he was 12 (I think he was in his 40's.) Well anyways he writes me back and is saying if I ever wanted to be quote 'counted as one in the wiccan community' i would get a teacher and do those things, and also I quote Raymond Buckland (yes I know he's been trained as a gardenian) on why ceremonial magick is dangerous. Okay basically the jist of all this was he was saying I was non wiccan cuz I don't do those things (note I'm 15 for summerland sakes!) Well anyways I won't be speaking with this guy anymore but here is my question to the wiccans out there: do you think ceremonial magick, great rite, and skyclad are requierments of wicca and to be true wiccan you'd do those things? Honestly I don't think so. Skyclad and the great rite me have worked back in the way old days of paganisim but I don't think they should be brought to wicca. Ceremonial magick is more debatable but I still say it isnt worth the risk. Well happy debating!-Kaja aka Queen Crazy

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Date: 9/9/2002 7:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 45630    I'm no wiccan although I am fascinated by it by I would have thought that a true wiccan is one that practices their craft and believes in it for the greater good of their own spiritual enlightenment.  
Date: 9/9/2002 8:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    NO it is not required. The majority of Wiccan doctrine can be summed up in the last line of the Rede.  
Date: 9/9/2002 8:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 55970    Well said Kurt! *Jewel Fernandez*  
Date: 9/9/2002 9:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 20559    I think being a true wiccan is just faith and not hurting others. it is up to you what aspects of the faith you practise  
Date: 9/9/2002 10:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 57653    Not participating in those things does not make you anyway less a Wiccan. Some Wiccans believe that going skyclad helps you to be closer to the god/dess because you are completely open etc. But if you aren't comfortable that way than what would the point be? All you would be thinking about is the fact that you were nude...you wouldn't be able to bring all your energy forth while concetrating on that. The sexual part of the great rite might be practiced by some but you can replicate it WITHOUT sexual contact. A chalice and phallus shaped object would suffice (wand, athame). Ceremonial magic is a personal choice...many agree that performing no spells or magic of ANY kind doesn't make one any less wiccan. Honering the God/dess, respecting and nurturing Mother Earth and doing the same for for your fellow mankind is by far more important than any magic or spells. Let me say I am not Wiccan...I'm pagan. But we share a lot in the way of beliefs...it's a very thin line. Stick by your convictions and celebrate your spirituality as you see fit! Bright Blessings! ~SilverFire  
Date: 9/10/2002 11:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 61104    No!! I am Wiccan and I think you should only do what is comfortable for you. I am still in my studies but I do not think that any religion would want you to do things that you are uncomfortable with. You should also be very careful whom you choose as a teacher. I prefer to be self taught and solitary. *Gothgirl*  
Date: 9/10/2002 1:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 61830    Wicca has it's rules. Follow them and practice it for the greater good... and for the most part I agree with Kurtvedder.
Date: 9/10/2002 4:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 41067    Certainly not, being Skyclad is a personal choice within the faith, as is the Great Rie, and Ceremonial Magic, personally, I don't do any of these, though I do work in all natural clothing when I worship, and I don't think anyone should feel pressured into these practices. It does not make you 'less' of a Wiccan than anyone who does these things, by any means.  

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