Date: 8/31/2002 3:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
you know . . . some friends and i were just having this discussion not too long ago . . . the idea that 'smokers' are going to be the next group to be 'discriminated' against ... interesting points, here, but my stance has always been quite a bit short of actually calling it 'civil war' ... but, then again, i am still paying 3.00 a pack, not 5-7 ...  |
Date: 8/31/2002 3:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 57718
LOL I'm still paying $3 a pack myself
And smokers are already discriminated against. People who are good parents are losing their children because they smoke. One man has a room that he smokes in (solely in that room), the children weren't allowed in there and he lost his daughter because the CPS come into his home like he was a common criminal and took her from him. When he said why they said he was "poisoning her" with second hand smoke... |
Date: 8/31/2002 3:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
I agree on the point that they should have no right to abuse their power in such a manner as to affect our personal choices and where we may smoke our cigarettes.  |
Date: 8/31/2002 4:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 61834
i say smoke them if you got them..RacerX |
Date: 8/31/2002 4:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
[rant] oh, i read an article once where the CHILD got to decide NOT to go to his father's home because there was smoke on the walls from when the father would smoke WITH OUT THE CHILD AROUND .... sick, sick, sick .... OH, and those truth commercials ... *ugh* .... don't even get me started on those ... while i don't think that cigarettes should be advertised (as i don't feel that various medications should be adveritised) it is still a business and rather rediculious that one product can be constantly slandered and told NOT TO BUY .... [/rant]  |
Date: 8/31/2002 4:14:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 57718
Oh, jeez..those truth commercials drive me insane! I can handle the "such&such chemical in tobacco", but I can't stand when there are just junk science statistics glued on some emotionally loaded subject. That's not truth, that's emotional blackmail, I can't respect a protagonist that resorts to emotional blackmail when he doesn't have any facts to back up his claims...*rolls eyes* |
Date: 8/31/2002 4:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
oh, not to mention . . . IT MAKES ME WANT TO SMOKE!!! i light a cigarette on principal when those are on.  |
Date: 8/31/2002 4:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 55376
It should be the OWNER of the business that decides. Not government. Og |
Date: 8/31/2002 4:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 57718
LOL@Penguin me too! |
Date: 8/31/2002 4:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 44850
Og, exactly ... (my god, we agree?!)  |
Date: 8/31/2002 7:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 53326
Personally I dont see an issue with smoking out side. I personally think thats the best place to do it, as long as you arent for examle standing at the only doorway blowing smoke into the peoples faces coming in and out. As far as public places like restraunts and such, I dont think smoking should be allowed. Why should I have to stay out of those places because being near too much smoke makes me sick? I have just as much a right to be there as the smoker; and he has the right to be there too, but just leave the cigarette at the door and smoke when he is done. Now bars, whatever. They arent exactly a health spa anyway, so if you are going there you can deal with it at the discretion of the owner. As far as children go, I have heard the story of the child who was taken from the dad who didnt even smoke with the child around anyway. It is appalling (sp)! The child wasnt in danger. Sadly though, thats usually not the case. Many parents do smoke in front of their kids and the child is in danger because of second hand smoke. My father is a heavy smoker and I have had to deal with the reprecussions of his actions for 16 years. Our house is not big enough for me to escape fully the sooty walls, the smell, and the cough causing smoke. I go to my room and shut the door, but the smoke stains and smell remains. I have no choice but to live in my house and because of that I have to smell it and deal with the health issues from it. And yes I do have health issues because of it. I dont think people should be able to force their children to stay in a house like that. If they want to kill themselves with it, thats fine by me. It is their choice and I wont stp them, but just dont let it affect the children. They can smoke outside. Thats about it I guess ~~ Sunshine2004l |
Date: 8/31/2002 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 54987
Yeah outside is the only place to smoke. What I hate though are all those cigarette butts.. they look horrible and they aren't biodegradable. Why don't they produce biodegradable cig butts.... ? - Coolade  |
Date: 8/31/2002 8:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 57718
Ah Sunshine, but there's the rub. Just like you shouldn't have to put up with it, neither should we have to put up with being banned from existance. You do have a choice on whether to frequent those places or not. The owner of the establishment WANTS to cater to smokers. There are (and were before this) plenty of non-smoking places to frequent. I don't see what's wrong with the owner of a restaurant deciding who his clientale is. If he wants more non-smokers, then he'll ban it on his own. If he doesn't, what right do you have to MAKE him ban it? That's the real issue here. People left and right are making owners do something noone really asked them if they wanted to do. Personally, I think noone is seeing compromise. You have non smoking places we can't smoke in, we should be permitted places we can smoke and if it bothers you, then you have no right to take our places away. What you are doing is the equivalent of us making everyplace smoking. That would give you nowhere to go at all. That's what your doing to smokers. I don't think it's right and neither do MOST people in America. If you can't compromise (you being a general term, not specific) then you are part of the problem, whether you are a smoker or non-smoker. Just because you like the food somewhere is no reason you should force the atmospher to suit you. Unless you paid to open that business, busted your behind building it up, bought the land, the furniture and the food, then you have no right to tell someone how to run it. |
Date: 8/31/2002 11:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 55376
What it comes down to is respecting private property rights. Og |