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...Mind Scanning at Airports - Big Brother Airlines??.....................Agent Smith...

  Author:  21867  Category:(News) Created:(8/17/2002 1:44:00 AM)
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Yo Peeps,

Just surfing a few News Sites and came across this rather interest story, seems that those NASA boffins wanna scan your brain waves and your heartbeat to see if you could possibly be a terrorist:

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~~~NASA PLANS TO READ TERRORISTS MINDS AT AIRPORTS~~

By Frank J. Murray THE WASHINGTON TIMES

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Airport security screeners may soon try to read the minds of travelers to identify terrorists. Officials of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration have told Northwest Airlines security specialists that the agency is developing brain-monitoring devices in cooperation with a commercial firm, which it did not identify.

Space technology would be adapted to receive and analyze brain-wave and heartbeat patterns, then feed that data into computerized programs "to detect passengers who potentially might pose a threat," according to briefing documents obtained by The Washington Times.

NASA wants to use "noninvasive neuro-electric sensors," imbedded in gates, to collect tiny electric signals that all brains and hearts transmit. Computers would apply statistical algorithms to correlate physiologic patterns with computerized data on travel routines, criminal background and credit information from "hundreds to thousands of data sources," NASA documents say.

The notion has raised privacy concerns. Mihir Kshirsagar of the Electronic Privacy Information Center says such technology would only add to airport-security chaos. "A lot of people's fear of flying would send those meters off the chart. Are they going to pull all those people aside?". The organization obtained documents July 31, the product of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Transportation Security Administration, and offered the documents to this newspaper.

Mr. Kshirsagar's organization is concerned about enhancements already being added to the Computer-Aided Passenger Pre-Screening (CAPPS) system. Data from sensing machines are intended to be added to that mix. NASA Aerospace Research Manager, Herb Schlickenmaier, told The Times the test proposal to Northwest Airlines is one of four airline-security projects the agency is developing. "It's too soon to know whether any of it is working" he says.

"There are baby steps for us to walk through before we can make any pronouncements," says Mr. Schlickenmaier, the Washington official overseeing scientists who briefed Northwest Airlines on the plan. He likened the proposal to a super lie detector that would also measure pulse rate, body temperature, eye-flicker rate and other biometric aspects sensed remotely. Though adding mind reading to screening remains theoretical, Mr. Schlickenmaier says, he confirms that NASA has a goal of measuring brain waves and heartbeat rates of airline passengers as they pass screening machines.

This has raised concerns that using noninvasive procedures is merely a first step. Private researchers say reliable EEG brain waves are usually measurable only by machines whose sensors touch the head, sometimes in a "thinking cap" device. "To say I can take that cap off and put sensors in a doorjamb, and as the passenger starts walking through [to allow me to say] that they are a threat or not, is at this point a future application," Mr. Schlickenmaier said in an interview.

Two physics professors familiar with brain-wave research, but not associated with NASA, questioned how such testing could be feasible or reliable for mass screening. "What they're saying they would do has not been done, even wired in," says a national authority on neuro-electric sensing, who asked not to be identified. He called NASA's goal "pretty far out."

Both professors also raised privacy concerns. "Screening systems must address privacy and 'Big Brother' issues to the extent possible," a NASA briefing paper, presented at a two-day meeting at Northwest Airlines headquarters in St. Paul, Minn., acknowledges.



Last year, the Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional police efforts to use noninvasive "sense-enhancing technology" that is not in general public use in order to collect data otherwise unobtainable without a warrant. However, the high court consistently exempts airports and border posts from most Fourth Amendment restrictions on searches.

"We're getting closer to reading minds than you might suppose," says Robert Park, a physics professor at the University of Maryland and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "It does make me uncomfortable. That's the limit of privacy invasion. You can't go further than that."

"We're close to the point where they can tell to an extent what you're thinking about by which part of the brain is activated, which is close to reading your mind. It would be terribly complicated to try to build a device that would read your mind as you walk by." The idea is plausible, he says, but frightening.

At the Northwest Airlines session conducted Dec. 10-11, nine scientists and managers from NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif., proposed a 'Pilot Test' of the Aviation Security Reporting System. NASA also requested that the airline turn over all of its computerized passenger data for July, August and September 2001 to incorporate in NASA's 'Passenger-screening testbed' that uses 'Threat-Assessment software' to analyze such data, biometric facial recognition and neuro-electric sensing. Northwest officials would not comment.



The September 11 hijackers helped highlight one weakness of the CAPPS system. They did dry runs that show whether a specific terrorist is likely to be identified as a threat. Those pulled out for special checking could be replaced by others who do not raise suspicions. The September 11 hijackers cleared security under their own names, even though nine of them were pulled aside for extra attention.

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020817-704732.htm

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Okay - is THIS trippy or what?? Of course...in the interests of safety I'm sure NO-ONE would have a problem with their thoughts being read...unless they are a terrorist of course.

*cough* CONSPIRACY *cough*



Peace, Agent Smith

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Date: 8/17/2002 1:49:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    OMG, you have to be kidding??? Wonder how THEY got so smart?? lololol.. Who in their right mind WOULDNT have a rapid heart rate and nervous just THINKING of flying nowdays??? This is the stuff that really makes us look BAD over here in America, lol.. Great post hunnyofmysiswiththesamemiddlename   
Date: 8/17/2002 1:51:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    ugh . . . what, i wonder is sadder, the fact that a quater of the population would probably agree with this idea or the fact that i am not suprised . . . heck, i bet this has been around since 'star wars' in the raegan admin .... *sorry, maybe i am just bitter, i'll come back later today after a nap and see if i feel any less grumpy towards this idea*  
Date: 8/17/2002 1:57:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo buddywiththesamemiddlenaeasmyhunny! Yeah...it does look bad don't it...but they prolly won't ever have that stuff here in NZ coz we Kiwis haven't got any minds/brains to read anyway - LOL! Cheers for ya reply. Peace,  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:02:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo SexyP,
Well, when a population fears the BoogeyMan (or perceived BoogeyMan) then pretty much anything can get snuck through 'in the interests of National Security'. Tin Foil cap anyone??? Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    eh, i changed my mind . . ./rant ... i am not coming back later today .... i know my bitterness, and darnit, it has nothing to do with being tired .... *sigh* .... and it just really sucks because soooo many bad jokes could come out of this idea . . . *sigh* .... gosh darn nasa ... you would think that they would *ugh* never mind . . .i am not even going to get started on the way that money is tossed around with our science and military budget ... /end rant  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    LOL @ the boogey man refence . . . i had just seen jello biafra speak about 4 months ago and he used the same term for bin laden . . . *prediction* ... we will see more terrorists actions being 'threatened upon the american people' the more and more that people uncover corruption in the corporate world and the white house . . . simple theory, if they hear how bad you have been, scare them into following you . . .   
Date: 8/17/2002 2:04:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    ...hehehe...GO SexyP...rant away...I know I'd be kicking up a BIG fuss is some Govt Bozo wanted to scan me with any form of brainwave/heartbeat detection equipment...Peace,  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    This is so wrong! I agree with Gail. Just thinking about what the government says they want to do and have been working on boggles my mind. Wonder what they have been developing that they haven't told the people about. Scary thoughts.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    LOLOL... AS!!!! And WE do????? hahaha.. so funny Actually, I think it is really stupid for anyone to think that this actually CAN be done, ya know? Surely there is another way to spot a terrorist? Like weapons? lol  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:06:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    oh, and btw .... nice title, big brother airlines ... *found cheap amusement with that for somereasone . . . coming as it did in the same week that UNITED airlines announced it may claim bankruptcy ....*  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:07:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    *cough* ENRON *cough* WAG THE DOG *cough* 1984 *cough* By the way...my favourite saying right now is "Bin Laden is the new Elvis"...he'll be sighted everywhere for many years to come yet...Peace,  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:08:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    I still think Wag the Dog has too much truth in it.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:08:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Penny44,
Most countries (including my own) keep their citizens on a 'Need to Know' basis...some would rather NOT know...so it works out well Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    oh, but he has a liver problem, remember? *giggles* . . . . can't you see him hopping around from cave to cave dodging missles attatched to medical equipment . . . you know that thing with a bag and wheels ... heh ... boogey man indeed . . .  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:10:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Gail,
Yeah...hehehe...I'm thinking the great big guns or box-cutters might be a bit of a giveaway...that and maybe someone holding a strange looking box a little TOO carefully, sweating and trying not to bang into anyone with it...LOL!
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:11:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    my only issue with WAG the DOG was that the first comparison used with it was when Clinton started bombing afghanistan after bin laden bombed the embassy in africa . . . sadly enough . . . we now know better . . . *sigh*  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:12:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Hmmm...wonder if anyone is gonna bail out United Airlines...or maybe someone will buy it...someone more readily accepting perhaps of these forms of monitoring of travellers...hmmmm *suspiciously rubs chin*  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    Remember the movie, Batteries Not Included? I think it was a way to let the people know about how real the spy cameras really were and how they can be anywhere. I have been getting more paranoid or perhaps just more aware of certain things going on behing the governments doors.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:13:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    yeah, can't take fingernail clippers on a flight but you can take crochet hooks and knitting needles on board. Hmmmm.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:13:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yep Penny, Wag The Dog was quite ironic wasn't it...hmmmm....hehehe, better predictions that Ms Cleo I'd say.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    HA! i bet general electric buys out united ... heh . . . would only be fitting since they manufacture most of the governemnt's nuclear weapons ....  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:16:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    and don't forget . . . if you are a terrorist, and forgot your weapons . . . once on the plane, they will give you a fork and possibly a bottle *if you order wine or champaigne* to go ahead and do what you wanted to *both of which would probably more effective than other things . . . such as . . . oh, say . . . a BOX CUTTER! ... jmo  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:17:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yes SexyP, Bin Laden actually requires dialysis regularly...wonder if those stone caves he is apparently hiding out in come equipted with Dialysis Machines??? Hmmmm...plot thickens...  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    G.E. "we bring good things to life" The A-Bomb and other Nuclear weapons? Yep! Right! LOL!  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:18:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    actually, speaking of mind reading . . . does anyone else find it odd that dick cheney never has his mouth closed when bush is talking .... heh (puppet humor rocks)  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:19:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    hehehe...gee SexyP, you're prolly more of a Conspiracy Theorist than I am...and I thought that mighta been impossible...LOL!  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 7952    *cough* CONSPIRACY *cough* ---do you need a cough drop, Agent?? haha silly KeeWee   
Date: 8/17/2002 2:21:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Penny,
Yep...theres some tricky stuff the Govt Intel Agencies are capable of...reminds me, I gotta make a phone call and say "Bomb, Assassin, Terrorism, Allah" all the time...hehehe.
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    *has seen too many oliver stone movies*  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:23:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Hahaha SexyP,
If Chenney is Bushs Puppet Master, I don't even wanna know where he puts his hands...
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    LOL @ Sexxxxxy Penguin and Agent Smith and DW.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:24:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Oi! DW! Seeeelly Aussieeeee Nup, dun need a cough lollie...could do with a Bledisloe Cup though...ya got one of those?? Yes...you have...won it with yet another cheesy Penalty Kick in the dying minutes of the game...LOL! Peace,  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:25:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yup...Oliver Stone rocks...  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 7952    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! :P  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 7952    I agree with Gail!!!!!  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:27:00 AM  From Authorid: 7952    Tha Bledisloe cup is ours seeeeeelly! (LOLOLOL you're good at typing an accent LOL) Remembah, Ausseees rule!   
Date: 8/17/2002 2:28:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    So hows Aussie doing in the Tri-Nations DW??? Hmmm?? Hmmm?? :P  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 7952    Whats Tri Nations?? LOLOL you mean the KeeWee's the Wallabeees and the Spring Box?? i have no idea! i only watch for the rugby scores when we play YOU cus i know we'll win and i need to rub it in real good LOL   
Date: 8/17/2002 2:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Many of these types of high tech monitoring ARE already in place; extremely sensitive detection devices and cameras all all over the place in places like Las Vegas, where billions of dollars are at stake. Just the other night, the CEO of a large corporation who makes these kinds of high tech, highly sensitive security devices, demonstrated how they work and why they are used. The cameras are everywhere; the data and images, etc, are digitally processed; and even removes disguises from the person via computer, i.e., beards, mustaches, big glasses, hats, etc. A lot of these things have been in place for quite some time in large Gambling Mecca's, but I am sure that they are also being added to and tweaked, and updated on a constant basis; plus, they are in place in many areas that we don't even know about or wouldn't suspect.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:31:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Might wanna check the Tri-Nation scores then...bwaaahahahaha  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:32:00 AM  From Authorid: 7952    LOLOLOLOL Bledisloe cup is the only competition that MATTERS!!!!!!!   
Date: 8/17/2002 2:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    You are so right Thinker. I am awed by what is shown on the Discovery Channels and then I see when the show was produced and I know technology has improved even more. I wonder how close they are in building that super computer that will decide mankind is just something obsolete that needs deleted after all.  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:38:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Thinker,
Yup...I remember reading something about Interpol helping to create an advanced 'Facial-Recognition' system that could scan and identify a person prominent facial features for the purposes of easily identifying terrorists/wanted criminals by comparing these 'facial-scans' against a large database of suspects. If I remember correctly this was also being done in conjunction with a number of other Security AND Gaming agencies like Casinos. Casinos certainly have a lot of money and so have some very high tech security...wouldn't surprise me at all if they have far more advanced tech than is known about. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:39:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yeah DW...suppose ya right...when it comes down to it, its only the ones we Kiwis lose that we tend to remember...so yep, it is prolly the only one that truly matters  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:40:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Penny44,
Or maybe we are already living in The Matrix *leaps into the air and freezes* hahahaha...
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Penny, Many times I would be sitting at the tables in Las Vegas (21 and Baccarrat) and since I knew Everything and everyone was being watched, I would often look up to the "eyes in the catwalk" and just wave and smile.   
Date: 8/17/2002 2:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 7952    LOLOLOLOLOLOL :P:P  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    And everyone wonders why I"m, afraid to leave my home? LOL! Agent Smith, that movie was awesome and I still have night mares about it. Thinker, I bet that blows the peoples minds when you do that to them. LOL! I'll be watching to see you doing that on Discovery when they show Vegas clips. LOL!  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:48:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    Agent S, that is exactly what I was referring too. Of course, there is much that we don't even know about, and much that we will never know about either. What makes me laugh is all these dumb criminals who try all sorts of things....continually, and are forever trying to beat the system and cheat. These crooks devise card counting devices of every conceivable crude contraption....boggles the mind. I've had some high-roller friends demonstrate some of the techniques used by professional card sharks and the like. Some are so slick....very adept at deceit, but NOT to the guys who run the casino's....and of course "The EYE in the Catwalk" *wink*  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:51:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yeah Penny44, but then with an alias name like mine I would say that...LOL!  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:54:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yup Thinker,
Casinos have a lot to lose...so you can bet they have a lot of high tech monitoring equipment to make sure the crooks get weeded out. I recall watching a TV Special on Casino security and it was unbeleiveable...NOWHERE in the Casino was without survelliance...everything could be seen from pretty much every angle...yep peeps still think they can beat the system...sad indeed, Casino Security must laugh watching someone who thinks they are gonna get away with some scam. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 2:58:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    actually . . . what this really reminds me of is the movie brazil . . . funny how entirely accurate that movie is right now . . .  
Date: 8/17/2002 3:00:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Sounds like a movie I'm gonna have to watch sometime then SexyP...  
Date: 8/17/2002 3:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    directed by terry gilliam, one of robert deniro's earlier movies . . . life in a world under government control in fear of terrorism . . . unmotivated corporate workers . . . that kinda stuff . . .   
Date: 8/17/2002 3:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 24924    AS, I got to tell you; I try to have a little fun, something, anything to lighten the mood or tension when going through the security/scanning/processing at airports. Now, one NEVER must EVER make ANY jokes about or even say the words: hi-jack, omni, weapons, etc. , and I never would be that stupid, but the fun I have is more related to this scenario: I was going through the final phase before going on board, and they had me take off my shoes, my belt, my hat and purse, everything it seemed, and I just flashed a big grin and reached for the zipper on my skirt and acted like I was going to take that off. Everyone was staring! They really did think I was gonna get nekkid....*wink*. Well, you should'da been dere...it was a Kodak moment for sure.   
Date: 8/17/2002 3:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    i tried to do that once at work and was threatened with sexual harrassment ...  
Date: 8/17/2002 3:07:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Hehehe Thinker...bet those Security Gaurds all flocked around just to make sure you weren't hiding anything anywhere...LOL! Or maybe they flocked around for ya phone number...hehehe.  
Date: 8/17/2002 3:07:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Cheers SexyP sounds like something I'd love to watch then...  
Date: 8/17/2002 5:21:00 AM  From Authorid: 53900    Well from what I read they are just going to be able to see if you are a potential terrorist not like what you are thinking or what you have done. That seems as though it would be next to impossible....but I have to say if it will make flying safer and save lives of innocent humans...not just Americans then I would not mind...see if I am flying and doing nothing wrong then I have NOTHING to hide. Oh yea I have to say I think technology like this IF it ever does become a reality will be used worldwide not just in America. Good article though...very interesting.  
Date: 8/17/2002 5:30:00 AM  From Authorid: 18527    ummmmm... eeeek!  
Date: 8/17/2002 6:01:00 AM  From Authorid: 59214    They can't READ your mind. It's bassically like a pass through Lie Ditector. It picks up on the SIGNS that you are nervous, anxious, pissed, etc. It can't go, "BOB DOMINA IS THINKING 'I gotta crash this plane into the water.'  
Date: 8/17/2002 6:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 50435    I just put a ANY down-payment on a new flat in a building NEWS made of glass. Everyone can ON see in from the outside. Wait a ADVANCEMENTS sec, didn't I read that IN in a book somewhere? We? 1984? Brave New World?...LOL. It's getting SUBLIMINAL worse and worse. I can't wait MESSAGES? to see what they think of next...  
Date: 8/17/2002 7:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 48812    Actually, Penny44, why would they wanna create a supercomputer that eliminates mankind? Why do that, when mankind spends MONEY? Especially in Las Vegas...My dad just got back from there, he says everything is expensive. So why not have that Super PC create a law or something, in the near future, that says, "At one point in an American's life, they MUST go to L.V..Immediate Termination to Citizen that doesn't abide by this law." Crap, they're already workin' on terminating random citizens......what's so different?? And then, w/ this article as back-up, almost, all them people wonder why we're in a recession. THIS. All of our money, what we have left of it, anyway, is going to go into this sorta stuff. Taxes will go up, cigarettes will cost 10.00 a pack(for all the smokers out there), Enron has new life, and all of this "security" will be blown off. Just like a computer--there's ways to manipulate it. As much as all those security buffs think that they're safe, they are--to a certain extent. How do you think hackers get into your computer? Easy. That tiny little crack in whatever firewall you have. Now, if those hackers had to get past, say, airport security, all they'd prolly have to do is post someone as security, or something like that, then they'd be able to find that crack in the wall to slide past. Yes, i know, as choppy as this may look, i have given it a buncha thought. Why? B/c my older big brother (i have two, lucky me) is a conspiracy buff. Besides....The Matrix plot is better. Much more organized. Now, if only reality was like that.........~*Uber Soldat*~  
Date: 8/17/2002 7:08:00 AM  From Authorid: 25828    weird...but i don't think it will work..i know i have darn near an anxiety attack every time i fly now....  
Date: 8/17/2002 7:19:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    Actually Uber Soldat, I didn't say tnhey would build a super computer to do away with humans, but that if they keep coming out with super thinking computers., what would stop one from doing the terminator stuff? Remember all the different type movies along those lines like War Games, Wierd Science (tho most red blooded males wouldn't mind that), many outer limits type things that have maybe a bit more truth than we want to believe in. I always figured Hollywood somehow knew what sort of things our government was working on. Remember the asteroid movies? I just figure that too many things the government has already are infringing on our rights and our democracy passed on and nobody was aware of the funeral.  
Date: 8/17/2002 9:07:00 AM  From Authorid: 24732    What would happen if you took some sort of medicine to lower your heart rate? There is supposedly a truth serum, maybe someone could invent a "lie serum" where you could lie and get past lie detectors.  
Date: 8/17/2002 11:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    oh, and something else about las vegas (sorta off subject) .... NOTHING is expensive if you leave the hotel (has seen cigarettes for 2 bucks, and cases of beverages for 5-10) ...   
Date: 8/17/2002 1:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 48812    Exactly....that's what i'm talkin' about. And eventually, that'll prolly happen.....*Shrugs* Y2K threat all over again? B/c of some genius who lives in his parent's basement, who creates something that can eliminate what it's programmed to do?? ~*Uber Soldat*~  
Date: 8/17/2002 1:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 53052    when are they going to realise that scanning and checking is good and all but there is a point where you invade someone's privacy.... it to fly to have your whole life examined? soon they'll ask for a criminal record check and a blood sample! what is this world comming to??  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:35:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Luv_4_2Pac,
You're right...should it matter if you have nothing to hide?? That same mentality has lead to an acceptance of electronic monitoring and eavesdropping in the interests of 'security', not to mention unnecessary searchs and seizures by Law Enforcement Officers intent on making sure noone has anything to hide. Now, I may not have anything to hide...but I have my basic Human Rights to protect...doesn't mean I'm gonna bend over the Govt Barrel and smile as Right after Right is stripped from me. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:35:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Kethria,
Eeeeeek! What? You are terrorist?? Hehehe. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:41:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Lotus,
Yes...I am aware the technology is for the analyse of brain waves and bio-data that indicates a state of aggression, fear, anger, sadness, whatever...how long would it be before rudimentary thoughts can be detected as well? Further more...my emotions are mine and mine alone...no one, no organisation, no security, no one has a right to 'scan' my emotions and formulate a judgement of 'he's a terrorist' from those emotions. Thats the point. Basic human right should be your own governance and self-autonomy of your own body...this technology encroaches upon that. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:48:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo GallyTuck,
Hmmmm...I really CHECK like the way OUT you write your A replies. There almost seems PRODUCT to be a CALLED message hidden somewhere MOTO-VISION within your reply, I can seem IT to find it, but have FLASHS this strange feeling its SUBLIMINAL there somewhere. Or maybe its MESSAGES just something I ate ON thats making me feel YOUR a little TV off. Cheers for ya reply Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:51:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Uber Soldat,
I agree with ya...all the tech in the world ain't gonna stop a good cracker busting through it. Hasn't yet. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:53:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Heather,
Then expect to be taken aside and double-checked...thats how most Airport Security is now anyway, anyone looking overly anxious normally gets rechecked. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:56:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Penny44,
I often wonder if some movies aren't that Directors or Script Writers method of passing on what they believe to be happening. Interesting thought indeed. And I like your bit about democracy being dead and noone being aware of the funeral...hehehehe...thats a good one. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:58:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Alien,
Many readily available sedatives and anti-anxiety medications like Clonazepam, Meleril, Fluoxitene etc do just that. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 4:59:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo SP,
Smokes for 2 bucks a pack?? Cases of booze for 5-10 bucks??? Mate...why would ya wanna leave ya room...stay there all day smoking up and getting soozled Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 5:01:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Uber Soldat,
Cyber Security Laws are being beefed up quite substantually...so I would also be expecting to see a huge crackdown on hackers/crackers or alledged hackers/crackers in the near future. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 5:07:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Midnightly,
Indeed...but see, how things happen is a little at a time...thin end of the wedge...push that envelope bit by bit. Sure, peeps will moan and rant for a while, but soon it gets accepted...then you slide that wedge in a bit more...more ranting, but soon accepted...then you slide that wedge in a bit more...and a bit more...and a bit more...and thats how it is gonna go. 20 years ago if someone said "We would like to monitor EVERYTHING you do, be able to listen to and record all your phonecalls (and any other electronic method of communication), scan anything we want, come into your home and sieze anything we want, arrest and imprison you in the interests of National Security without legal representation for up to 6 months etc etc...peeps would said "Get lost!" Ahem...take a look around...its reality now. Bit by bit that wedge split the world open. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 8:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 48812    Cyber Security Laws.....Most of the people who get caught either slip up or LET themselves get caught. That's the problem. And SP.....cigarettes for 2 bucks? Unbelievable. Ain't that just the tax added to the original price for the pack in half the states? Michigan included? Personally......i don't believe it, lol. Anyhoo......I guess i'll just have to take your word for it, lol. When my dad went recently, he never really made it past the casino--however, that didn't last long. He got bored w/ the casino(and he'll prolly be targeted now, due to the fact that he didn't submit to the government's conspiracy with the casinos), and then, he had to spend most of his time at a convention......Interesting. Very, very, interesting. Hmmmm.....~*Uber Soldat*~  
Date: 8/17/2002 10:31:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Uber Soldat,
Cheers for checking back...and I agree, most people are only caught because they slip up. A well trained/experienced cracker, or terrorist for that matter, is gonna go unnoticed. Peace,
  
Date: 8/17/2002 10:47:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    Read about this in Popular Science...I'm beginning to think that we share a brain lobe, Agent...LOL!  
Date: 8/18/2002 5:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 10146    Makes me think of the Vertual reality helments. Put one on, and everything in your mind becomes Big Brothers Vertual reality facts. This kind of technology can be used for many Unwanted things, to cause to happen.  
Date: 8/18/2002 7:51:00 AM  From Authorid: 44850    oh, i kid you not . . . 2 BUCKS!! granted, you have to step over 3 homeless people slip through the bars on the doors of the strore, get the clerk of the shop to put his pipe down for a minute to ring ya up, but you sure can!!! when i was down there in may we each bought about 5 packs for ourselves and then friends and family ... heh ....   
Date: 8/18/2002 2:11:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Persephone,
Hahaha...yep...seems we read the same material quite a bit...but hey, great minds think alike Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/18/2002 2:12:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Haadam,
Yep...you're right...couple more steps to go yet before the final curtain call though Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/18/2002 2:14:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo SP,
Oh man...2 buck packs of smokes...not surprised they need bars on the doors...if that shop was here in NZ it'd get crushed in the stampede! Cheers for checking back. Peace,
  
Date: 8/19/2002 9:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 3321    *happy to be a member of the Great Minds Club* This world is so darn scary-and now we're the renegades. Don't forget the retinal scanners and the dna tester and the fingerprinter and anything else they'll think of..  
Date: 8/19/2002 9:50:00 AM  From Authorid: 21847    I can't believe this made it to press, but since it did, what can I say? This idea is certain to fail, but the effects will definitely last, paranoia. Plus, I consider this an invasion of privacy. Why do they have to check my brainwaves, already fragile because of their monitoring, if they check everything else? C'mon!  
Date: 8/19/2002 12:58:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Persephone,
Yep...thin edge of the wedge stuff here...can't help but think that an 'Orwellian' future lays ahead. Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/19/2002 1:00:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Zero-Shark,
Yep, I do feel this would be an invasion of privacy. Even Lie Detectors require written agreement from the receiver...wonder if permission will be sort from any traveller who may be subjected to this? Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  
Date: 8/21/2002 9:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 28363    Since men and womens brains work differently how would they sense it correctly (lol)-- A plus material  
Date: 8/21/2002 10:35:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 21867    Yo Donno,
LOL! Naughty naughty...I know a coupla mates who these contraptions would just pick up a flat-line...coz they ain't got no brains Cheers for ya reply. Peace,
  

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