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DEBATE: can 9-11 be justified?

  Author: 58717  Category:(Debate) Created:(7/31/2002 11:43:00 PM)
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since for some reason we cant all stop talking about 9-11, heres yet another debate on it!

DEBATE: can 9-11 be justified?

my opinion? YES. if you are an American and truely love your country, you will read all of this and try to find fault with it. please consider that the folowing is not biased or influenced by anything or anyone.

the western economy had robbed the arabs of all its wealth. consider 100 years ago, when the europeans took trillions of dollars from the arabs in oil and colonized their land. that sounds like an act of war. then the arabs create OPEC and get rid of the western control, and we complain about how thats not fair. consider you and someone else playing a game. the ther persons cheats. however, you struggle, and win in the end. can you justify that the other person had a disadvantage? no. and they lost. it is much the same as the arabs and the West.

also consider this scenario. you start a supermarket in a small town. it is the only one there is available. then, a corporation-based business opens up across the street. since you are still small, you cannot compete. you are forced into barnkrupcy. now, say you were in the middle of iraq. what could you do next? nothing but go further into poverty. that is what is happening with unfair world trade, which always benefits the west.

but there are more then economice reasons. the irael/palestine conflict was started because the west had occupied the area and payed no attention to it. the british made an uneducated descision without all the informtion needed-otherwise the hundreds of bombers wouldnt have existed, the wars wouldnt have happened, the thousands of people wouldnt have died..... just like in 9-11, they all were civilians. the suez canal was also occupied by britian, and too many unecessary lives were lost for control of it. it was only made to benefit europe from being able to export coal and oil anyway. France occupied iraq, and look what happened there.

the point that im getting at is that the middle east and the arabs didnt need anything to do with the europeans and the americans, but we came in and screwed the whole place up, and we made too many people mad. now, when a group of arabs feel it is time to take action, and to to us a tiny note of what we did to them, they do to us, yet it becomes a tragedy!

before you reply, think about what you are going to say. is it backed up with truth, or is it false patriotism? before 9-11, where was you american spirit? if you loved your country, you wouldn't need a 'reminder' or a 'wakeup call' that it existed. you either are an american or a pretenteder, as a "spur of the moment american" if you will. im sorry if that sounded offensive, but it is my opinion. i would like to hear everyone elses side of the dabate please. sorry this was so lengthy, theres just soo much to tell

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Date: 7/31/2002 11:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 50435    I can see some of what you are saying. But there is much more to it than that...  
Date: 7/31/2002 11:46:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 58717    please dont delet this, i really want to get replies!
Date: 7/31/2002 11:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 7830    I honestly understand why the arabs are so angry and hateful towards us. This country was built on theft, murder, and greed.  
Date: 7/31/2002 11:53:00 PM  From Authorid: 58710    ha ha im canadian :P - NEL
Date: 8/1/2002 1:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 28899    This is an excellent post. I don't think they did it though...  
Date: 8/1/2002 7:13:00 AM  From Authorid: 22852    I flew my flag before Sept 11th and will fly it up to the day I die. Now I understand what you are saying but my problem is if they want to attack Americas politics then you go after the people that make the rules, you don't go after the mothers and fathers and children that have nothing to do with it. To me it is a coward that does that. Right now our government is talking about attacking Iraq.. Why you ask, well I ask the same question everyday and people over there seeing our news stories about it I am sure are as confused as I am, I have written every political person I can think of for an answer, to date I have heard no reason.. I could see why the other countries would hate us, but "I" am not the one doing it so WHY would they come after me? I myself think we need to cut off every other country and worry about our land and the other countries need to do the same. Think of all the money these and our country would save, all the people that could have homes, all the children that would not go to bed hungry. I guess I am rambleing now aren't I, so I guess I best get off of this now. Very good post.  
Date: 8/1/2002 7:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 55376    As usual on this site your training in Economics must be of the Marxist variety. When first world countries move into the third world economic benefits follow to that country. Unfortunately most of the MId East is governed by dictators and the people benefit far less than they would otherwise. The rulers are quick to place blame on an outside force, i.e. Western democracies, in order to keep the people off their back. Og
Date: 8/1/2002 8:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 55376    Well,Stormchaser, let me give you the reason. The reason is Saddam Hussein will probably have a nuclear weapon within 3 years and he already has other weapons of mass destruction. He assists terrorists and has already shown he will use poison gas. Og
Date: 8/1/2002 10:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 47932    no nothing can justify the Targeting of civilin non combatants in any conflict. I agree that what the west has done to the arab nations was wrong, and that there needs to be some justice, but in the end the west took money, welth, curincy...and the terroists took lives. not lives that were guilty of some crime or soldgers who were oppressing them...thay took the lives of firemen who spent their lives saving people, workers like busboys in restraunts who were only trying to save up for college, secritatries who left there kids in daycare only to leave them orphens...how did this acomplish anything other then inhearit the hate and angre of the familys left behind. BOo  
Date: 8/2/2002 12:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 55089    To AuthorId:58717,
Thanx for posting this up, i agree with you 100%. I'm not saying that what happened 911 was just, but where was the rest of the world way before 911 when the mideast/arabs were suffering? Honestly, i don't think that war whether it's from america or the mideast/arabs will end up solving anything on either side...i agree with everything you said. this is a great post
  
Date: 8/2/2002 10:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 60792    I get what your saying but thats not what 911 was about in my opinion. I've always loved my country even before 911. 911 wasn't the first attack on AMerican or even the wtc. So are you sayin that 911 was just a way of getting even? 1000s of people died! Yes I admit people die everyday from starvation, malnutrition, and disease. But America also has its own problems. We have people everyday that die of starvation, malnutrition, and disease. How should they be any different. And try to remember we tried to help them and what did we get? I hope my point is taken.  
Date: 8/5/2002 8:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 46515    Sorry 55089. You can argue that until the cows come home over this noble issue.(Mideast/ and Arabs do not care about those things. WAKE UP!!! They want Jews out of what they percieve as thier country) Peace will only happen when jews no longer exist there. They have no right to feel this way and militants are making people hungry for the cause!!!! I think we have always cared about the poor and hungry (more than we can say for other countries who have an evil agenda)) By the way, how kind of you, to care about 9/11. Wish you could have seen the REAL horror of it all and seen the many who left love ones behind. As for the victims, CIVILIANS were true innocents.As long as terrorists exist, you will have greedy, bloodthirthirsty dictators/terroists in our mist.  
Date: 8/5/2002 6:23:00 PM  From Authorid: 55089    To 46515:
When you said that "Peace will only happen when jews no longer exist" how do you back that up with facts/evidence?You don't call Jews going into Palestinian homeland and wiping them out in war a genocide--I personally call it one. And i never said that i don't care about 911, as a matter of fact i regret this day even happening. Everyone was affected by 911: Americans,Arabs,Pakis,Irish,etc... ppl from all different countries/nations have died in WTC on 911.
PS-->Jews live in Israel. Palestinians live in Palestine, how are Palestinians "perceiving" Palestine as their country. Palestine is the homeland of the Palestinians. Im not against you or any1 that agrees with you, i just speak up for what i think is right, and i speak out my opininons.
  
Date: 8/5/2002 9:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 51106    The name is Tiger Monkey. Palastinians, in case you are ignorant of the fact Want the country for Arabs only. There will never be peace unless the Jews are wiped away from that land. I personally heard through translation that is what they want. I could go into more here with you, but you seem hell bent on the fact that you remain naive about the whole thing.  
Date: 8/5/2002 9:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 51106    Sorry, I'm not logged in. That is NOT Hansongirl.  
Date: 8/7/2002 3:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 55089    To AuthorId46515:
Just wanted to inform you that just because i don't agree with you, and i have my own opinions that i'm entitled to, this does NOT make me naive. Palestinan homeland is for Palestinians, why can't the Jews/Israelis stay in their own homeland Israel...why do they have to go invade/have war with the Palestinians?This is my opinion, whether you agree or not.
  

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