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Lets settle the ESP/Religon score???.....Buffy771

  Author:  42519  Category:(Debate) Created:(7/22/2002 7:57:00 PM)
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Ok... This all has happened throughout my time here at USM.

I see these few people asking how to make PSI balls, how to enhance their ESP and things like that, and people are sayin this is Satanic... I dont think it is...

To me, there is a difference between collecting energy from yourself and collecting energy from an evil being/spirit. ESP is not pulling energy from a practice, it is pulling energy from yourself and from your surroundings. Is this against the bible?

One USMer had some great points, bringing the bible into this. Saying that God brought us different gifts and we should search into to bring our inner gifts to our advantage, so to speak.

DEBATE: Is using ESP against the Bible, not necesarrily the Christain, Catholic and other Bible based beliefs?

This should be interesting...

Love ya tonz

Buffy771

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Date: 7/22/2002 7:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    lol finally someone makes a good debate lol  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    i am the monitor of the ESP section and its tiring having the same people trying to ruin everyone ideas, and things like that. i personally dont think it is  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    i hope that satanic person comes here. i gave fair warning lmao  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:00:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    LOL@ SOTD  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:01:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    WONDERFUL! Thanx for stoppin by SOTD!!  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    okies i wanan clear up somethings. there are people that 1 dont believe ESP is a gift. 2 people think that its wrong to keep them alive. 3 people think most are fake, but how do you know? for all the answers up there, well you dont know until you tru  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 28848    I don't think that something that comes to you naturally can be or is evil...  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 19625    Well, I'm not of a Bible based religon, but I don't think they're satanic (probably because I practice them myself and don't believe in satan but hey!) And LoL @ STOD! Erin-  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 19382    Those people are just jealous or terrified little lambs. You know, I'd fully expect the "X-Men" situations to happen if it actually arose. The persecution, the "let's kill 'em before they kill us! They're different" just becaue they're a little different than the "norm". I think it's something like that. Personally, I believe in ESP and so on. And I DON'T believe it to be evil. It can be used for evil, but is not in-itself, evil.  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    against it all, ESP is the bomb lmao  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    come we need a debate here lol. hey maybe i could be against it, no way!  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    Ship you have a point, it can be used for evil, but whos stupid enough to have it come back a lot worse? oh wait just answered my question lol  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:09:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    yeah, if it was used for Evil, wouldn't God punish you when you got to heaven? God gave you the gift, and you used it for evil doings, wouldn't you be punished badly?  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 18887    i think so, i mean you do bad you get bad in the end  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 59093    and if you lurk someone in to believing you, isnt that evil?
Date: 7/22/2002 8:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 53806    If you have a gift I say use it if it doesn't scare you LOL! I have gifts but I don't use them because......you guessed it, It scares me LOL why would we have these gifts it they are EVIL? it would be cruel to give it if you couldn't use it....it's like giving a child a plate of food and saying little Johnny don't eat it it's evil! LET'S GET REAL PEOPLE! JESUS turned water into wine and he even walked on water was he EVIL TOO? Now, using gifts to do evil like performing spells to get people to love you....to hurt or make someone pay are evil!.....I say use your gifts for the betterment of man and do good!  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 20750    I do not believe esp is evil! I believe it is a gift!  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:17:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    Thanx for stoppin by Midnightly!  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Buffy, We need to discuss this more when you come down some evening. I will say this. ESP is real. Gods gifts are real. It all depends on the source of the powers. Now thats all I will say, as they are real. We will talk more about this in private, at home. Love mom  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 51393    I know for a fact it's a gift,i read dreams it come's out as it come's to me.No,it is not evil at all,if they think that then they are missing the world and how woundrous it grasp.  
Date: 7/22/2002 8:38:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    Mom, why cant you explain it now? to everybody, not just me?  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    ok, be right with ya.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:11:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    .. thanx mom.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    1Cor:12:4: Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Cor:12:5: And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Cor:12:6: And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Cor:12: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Cor:12: For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Cor:12: To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Cor:12:10: To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Cor:12:11: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit,dividing to every man severally as he will.
OK MAGS: God tells us all these things are given to us by HIM as he wills. He is saying ONE Spirit, which is the HOLYSpirit, which of course is of God.
NOW God tells us that one of these gifts are discernment of "SPIRITS" SO this goes to show that there are more than just the Holy Spriit, the Spriit of God to contend with.
  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Then God tells us: Acts:16:16: And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
NOW this spirit of divination as you can see is not of God. It goes on to tell us::Acts:16:18: And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.""
So see this woman was getting her divination, her soothsaying or in other words her ESP from a source that was NOT of God.
God tells us in the old testament:Micah 5:12  And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers: aka, seer's aka any spirit that is telling you things, AND IS NOT the Spirit of God. God calls this rebellion, He calls the ones that do this of another spirit. So all in all ,yes, according to the word of God, those that are still doing this, are NOT of HIM, nor are hearing from HIS spirit. NOT to say, that THEY are NOT getting information, As esp is very real, its just of what spirit is it as God tells us that IT is NOT of HIM>1 Corinthians 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."" The natural man is one that denighs that Jesus is the Lord.
  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    1 John 4:1  ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 4:6  We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

There are two powers mags, TWO, one that is Of God and ONE that is not. Which Spirit ARE you going to listen to.??
  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Now these psi balls this energy your talking about. Oh yes its very real. HOWEVER its NOT coming from your self, that is new age thinking gal.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:17:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    So is it wrong or right?  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 51393    Ooooh,this give's me the chills FirstBorn,you mentioned on you're frist comment what i am going through on why i can read dreams great comments  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    For a Christian, for a person that believes in the Lord Jesus as their savior, it is wrong. As its given to us by a spirit that is not of God.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Any spirit that is NOT of God, mags, God our Father tells us is of the antichrist.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Diane, I dont understand, please explain.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Ok diana, sorry, I see where your coming from now. Duh to me.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:29:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    So being able to have this kind of power is the work of another spirit not of God, but not being used for evil? Isn't any spirit not of God going to be turned into evil?  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:32:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    Im not trying to Argue with you mom, I'm just trying to learn a few things.. I don't doubt you. It's just confusing.. For example.... Havn't you ever sat there and thought, Geeze, I wish the wind would blow a little to cool me off, and Wa-laa, it started to blow... so then you think about it a little more and every time you try, it works... Just by thinking of it, it feels like you are controlling the wind. So just thinking the wind should blow, then it does, means it is coming from a different spirit not of God?  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    I have to let eddie burn some cds but hopefully I can be back on before bed. If one invites a power in that is not of God, then they are really asking for trouble as God tells us. Many use this spirits and they are not using them for evil. And I'll leave it at that.  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    I don't believe using one's intuition is Satanic. I believe it's what a person uses it for that makes it good or bad. Having preminitions and precognition isn't evil unless it's only use is for selfishness and monitary gain. ;o)  
Date: 7/22/2002 9:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    I believe that certain people are given the "gifts of the spirit" but many will abuse them. I also believe that when a person is given these gifts they need to use them only for God and pray for guidance. ;o)  
Date: 7/22/2002 10:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 51393    amen to that YouChoose  
Date: 7/22/2002 11:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 10146    How many People have these gifts of ESP, for say, but do not Give Reverence or Credit to Jesus as Being the supreme God? Do they Practise, and use these Gifts, giving Credit to Jesus Christ? Did you all give ear to the Scripture from the Bible that Firstborn gave reference to. 1 John 4 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: There is your Proof, from the Word of God. Every Spirit that will not Confess that Jesus Christ (GOD) has come in the Flesh, Then that Spirit is "NOT" from God. Therefore any gift that comes from a Spirit that will not confess Jesus Christ is God in the Flesh, is an Evil ANTICHRIST Spirit. Now there no doubt, are some here that will not even confess that the Bible is the Proof, and Exsplanation to this Debate. So how can we debate, Whether ESP is against the Bible? Pertaining to Gifts, Whatever they be, The Bible Teaches that If you Do not Confess Jesus Christ (GOD)is Come in the Flesh, do not Give Him the Glory and Credit for the Gift, then the Gift is not of God, but is considered to be Evil, and A Gift from the Antichrist. This is pretty Plain "IF" you Believe in Jesus, and That The BIBLE is "HIS" WORDS in Written form.  
Date: 7/22/2002 11:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 10146    A Quote from someone above. "I believe it's what a person uses it for that makes it good or bad." If you are using it for JESUS CHRIST, and not for your Glory, it is Good. If you use it for Any Other Reason besides for the Glory ( to UPLIFT JESUS) it is BAD! When people boast and claim "I" can look into the future. Or "I" can comunicate with others through ESP. Then, it is "I", "I", "I", or rather "YOU", "YOU", "YOU" that is getting the Glory, You then Become an Evil robber of JESUS OUR GOD, Because you did not give the Credit and Honor to the One Who Give you the Gift. You Make the Gift become somthing of Evil, When He (JESUS)does not recieve the Credit. Nows that What I believe because that is What the Bible Instructs me to believe, and My Jesus is the God who had his Words Penned for me, as well as All to Read.  
Date: 7/23/2002 12:12:00 AM  From Authorid: 10146    WEll, did the BIBLE and Jesus settle the ESP/Religion Score for us? I vote that he did! How do the others Vote? Question..., Would someone who has joined forces with the Spirits of the Dead, which have supernatural Gifts, give Credit and Honor, to God by Confessing that Jesus Christ is God, who came in the Flesh, to give them their supernatural Powers? If they won't, then there powers are from Evil, even though they may say they are using them for good.  
Date: 7/23/2002 12:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 10146    All of Which is based on the "FACTS" of the Bible! In this Debate, it should be Ok to use the Bible, since the Debate Stated above.DEBATE: Is using ESP against the Bible, not necesarrily the Christain, Catholic and other Bible based beliefs?
  
Date: 7/23/2002 7:36:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    Wow! Right on The Man! You have a wonderful point. If it is being used for personal glory than it is evil, against the bible, but if it is a true feeling that the gift was from God himself, and you dont abuse the power, than maybe it isn't all that evil. Thanx for stoppin by Man...  
Date: 7/23/2002 8:00:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    Haddam, Great to see you around my friend. And yes, I beleive that the Bible has "answered" Mags question.
Mags: I think you may be missing the point here. You sayut if it is a true feeling that the gift was from God himself, and you dont abuse the power, than maybe it isn't all that evil"
You forget that their are many gods in this world. So just because a person says, oh God gave me this or god gave me that, DOES NOT mean they are talking about God, the creator, the Father of our LORD JESUS> So yes, on can give credit to "A god" but that does NOT mean its MY God.
  
Date: 7/23/2002 10:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 39321    My mom has a very strong psychic gift and she is very religious. I know she refuses to concentrate on things, but when they just come to her she trust them. She was into alot of stuff that she walked away from that she said wasnt right. But I know she just has a gift. It isnt provoked or practiced. It's just there.  
Date: 7/23/2002 11:28:00 AM  From Authorid: 10146    Inspiration, You say your Mom is Religious. The Gift she has is just there as a Natural thing. Not practised, meaning to try to Obtain. What kind of Religious Person is she. Does she believe in, and Confess, that Jesus Christ is the Lord GOD? The so called "Stuff" (as you refered to it) that she was once in, that she walked away from. Was she Giving Jesus the Glory, While she was in it? Most likely, I'm Guessing, the answer is no. Perhaps that is why she walked away from it.  
Date: 7/23/2002 11:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 55376    Since ESP and PSI balls are simply the ideas of overly active imaginations, it is not satanic. Belief in these things is stupid, not satanic. Og
Date: 7/23/2002 11:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 10146    Buffy, It appears that you are catching on to, how, What, and Why, the supernatural gifts, can and cannot be used without being Evil. However, do not, MISUNDERSTAND, to use the gifts for the good of a god, is not nessasarily the good of "THE GOD" Jesus CHRIST. To bring to practise the good Gifts, is to Testify, and to Acknowledge that The GOOD Supreme God is JESUS the CHRIST! All things Good comes from Him! Hello to you too Firstborn my sister in Christ. Good to see you still Plugging away, always Upholding the Truth in Jesus.  
Date: 7/23/2002 12:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 10146    Og, ESP is very real. Once, years ago when My Oldest child was a young girl about the age of seven, my Niece who had been visiting had left a book behind by accident on ESP. I myself being a Young Christian in spirit, took a gander to see just what it was saying about ESP. Call it, being inquisitive, nosey, what ever you wish. None the less I had my doubts too (At that time in my life) that there was anything to it. I read just enough that one Evening late, as my family and I were all in bed. Only my wife, and I were still awake. The book said it is easyer to send messages in thought to a person who is asleep, verses one who is awake. So I closed the book, Told my Wife that all that was just a bunch of Bolonga. To Prove it, I sofly told my Wife I was gong to call Our Oldest daughter of Seven (at that time) only Using, just my Mind. I did! In Thought I called her name Three times. Three Times I commanded her to come to me. Of course she was in another room, down the hall as I was doing this. Then the fourth time I called out to her in Thought, I Put forcefullness in the thought as if I was Angry, for her not comming the First three Times of Which I called to her. Nothing appeared to be happening. So I rolled over on my side and faced my wife lying beside me, and said.., See, I told you it was all just a bunch of Junk. No sooner than I got those words out of my Mouth that was spoken to my Wife. My Daughter (IN THE DARK ROOM) touched me on my Back and said, Daddy did you call me? OOOH WEE, Scared me so bad, I scared the child, when I blurted out the Words No I DID NOT. Go back to bed! Now dudes and dudets, that was Wild, Weird, and Very Strange. So don't tell me that ESP is not somthing Real. Well, So Why do I not use this Ability today? Because I have no need to. What purpose could I use this ability, for the Glory of Jesus? I have never attempted to do so ever again since that Night. And that just Suits Jesus Fine, I feel. When it comes to "ME" and ESP.  
Date: 7/23/2002 2:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 39321    Haadam, Yes she dose believe that Jesus Christ is Lord. I will tell you what was told to me. She may come on later and say more but right now it's just me. She said we are all born with gifts. But the gifts come from God. If we use them in the wrong way they can be taken over by bad. She turned from God for a while. I know something happened one day that scared her and to this day she is the mother I know her as. Not perfect, but loving and trying to give God the glory in everything good that happens to her or us. Even the bad things she sez God will use for good. I may be messing up her words but she's a very good person and to me it seems a lot happier one now that she isnt alone anymore. I hope I answered your Question.  
Date: 7/23/2002 3:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 10146    Inspiration, Yes you Answerd my question. Thank you. If your Mom Believes and Testifies of Jesus Christ Our Lord, then Your Mom is an OK Kind of Girl, that can be just full of goodness.  
Date: 7/23/2002 3:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    Everything is against the Bible! No there's nothing wrong with esp in itself.. just the people who use it i.e. their intention. We all have esp.. it's also called intuition and gut feeling. ... Coolade  
Date: 7/23/2002 4:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Coolade: No one said esp wasnt real, no one said that many dont have it as they do. What I'm saying is that I refuse to listen to every spriit that talks to me, I listen for the spirit of the Lord to guide me and tell me. AS there are other spirits, and NOT all of them are wanting to be helpfull. Sure lots of times they are very helpfull, gain ones trust, and then when they are basically invited in to your mind, your human spirit, then things can get ugly. Bad part is most of the time when this happens these lying spirits, these familiar spirits are going to say they are speaking for God, or your spirit guide, ect ect. Then , if you want to look some cases up on the web you can, and you will see that these ARE the people that kill and say, well god told me I had to as that person is evil. So yep, we believe in being carefull of the spirits that are talking.  
Date: 7/23/2002 6:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    FB I didn't say it wasn't real... The post asked the question: "Is using esp against the bible?" (please note also they said no necessarily the christian bible). I answered. The post also said that some people think it's satanic. I answered.... OK?.... Coolade  
Date: 7/23/2002 9:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    Haadam... you quoted my words and yes, that is what I am saying. A gift of the spirit is from God if only used for him. A gift must continue to be used for God's gain, not man's and YES, the receiver must give God the credit.  
Date: 7/23/2002 9:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    I agree with FB on the issue of spirits. Discernment of spirits is another gift that some people have. Just because we are human, doesn't mean that God won't utilize HIS resources... which humans are supposed to there to serve. I have struggled with this controversy of gifts lately but my pastor is just now starting to introduce the differences between "god-given gifts" and evil ones. It is a very hairy issue and takes a lot of guidance to understand. I have a long way to go. ALSO... Thanks Diana for your above comment to my reply.   
Date: 7/23/2002 10:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Coolade: Now see this is the thing. You have the gifts of the Spriit that God has given us. However, these gifts can be given also by the other power. Now God says there are only two powers, One is his, the other is the power of the god of this world, whos name happens to be satan. So yes, In a nut shell, ANY words NOT given to a person, and AS far as I know we christians do not call these gifts esp. Thats what the other side calls them. The ones that dont believe in Jesus, for the most part and I cant say that NO christian use this term of esp as I cant speak for everyone.
YOUCHOOSE: yep it can get hairy and it hurts me to tell those that use esp, that the spirits they are getting it from acording to the GOD OF THE BIBLE, the Christian Bible, the FAther of our lord JESUS, that the spirits they are dealing with are from the god of this world satan. Some dont believe that satan is, so they dont believe what God is saying here. BUT yes, esp is very real.
  
Date: 7/24/2002 10:46:00 AM  From Authorid: 54987    FB So are you saying we agree? I personally don't associate it with any God or Devil. It is a human attribute that we all have, especially women. I see it as being the same as intuition, gut feelings, an inner knowing, and also inspiration as someone else pointed out. However, what kind of perception you open yourself up to depends on the kind of person you are. I'm not arguing with you FB. I'm just stating my opinion. That's the whole point isn't it?... Coolade  
Date: 7/24/2002 11:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 55376    Would one of you with the ESP gift please give me the winning numbers for the Texas lottery this Saturday. Og
Date: 7/24/2002 7:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Coolade, I know your not arguing. I beleive the esp which is so much LIKE the gifts of the Spirits, are not of God.
Og: 6-21-23-45-39-43, NOW When you win, send me a big check. LOL
  
Date: 7/24/2002 7:47:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Ya big dummy OG, LOL, IF GOD was handing out lotter winning numbers dont YOU think I'd have a better computer by now??  
Date: 7/25/2002 7:23:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 42519    Ok...All of your replies has helped me a great deal. Haadam, you have helped me a lot. Although Momma FB gave me a lot of info, she gave me a lot of scriptures that I am not familiar with and don't quite understand yet. Thats some of the reason I don't know the Bible. You talked to me through Lame-mans terms, and thats what I understand. Thank you. Momma FB is now going to kill me next time she sees me. LOL. *I'm gonna get myself in real big trouble if I dont shut myself up.* Thank you USM. That being said, I have come to kinda a conclusion, but it can change.... this is what I am coming up with... Bear with me... My friend says, claims, whatever, that she has ESP in reading other peoples minds. That is sinful because of the things that do not belong entirely to us, our thoughts should belong to us and God. Although she is a very religous person, she still doesn't have the right to read our minds. So therefore, she uses her telepathy for her benefit and not the glory of God.. There is a difference between reading facial expressions. My face you could read like a book. Ask Demon Slayer. Back on subject.... allright. The spirit that will confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is a true spirit from God. *Am I correct?* and this spirit helps give you the powers that God has given to you to help you. *Am I correct?* *I dont know if I am correct, thats why I am asking* So PSI balls are not of God because they serve no benefit to the Glory of God. Telekenisis, Telepathy, Aerokenisis, Pyrokenisis and other things are also bad for the same reason..... Am I correct? I think I am going to need to discuss this a little bit more with FB and DS to truely understand everything about the Bible and the teachings against soothsayers and other things like that. I mostly need kinda a translator for it all, for I still dont understand it all. Thats some of the reason why I don't understand it. the other reason is my family that never pressured me to know the Bible. But now I do have a family that is going to make sure I know my Bible. So I havn't come up with a conclusion yet except that most forms of ESP are not good in the favor of God if it is not for the glory of God. Im just digging myself a hole so I will now shut myself up before I dig my grave. Thanx for a great debate USM. Love ya tonz. I am going to go watch the lightning storm now.  
Date: 7/25/2002 7:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    Oh and ya didnt dig yourself a hole, LOL, and its stormy here too.  
Date: 7/25/2002 7:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 16671    I guess I'm going to have to shoot ya when I see ya, which YOU know will be really soon. I swear I'm going to tear you away from my son and talk in terms that are not scripture, and then you can understand it hon. YES the spirit that helps you or gives you faith, to confess Jesus is of God. And your correct the holy spirit which is the Power of God is given to us to help us. No I dont believe that psi balls are of God, Nor the rest of it. And YEP mags, I'll make sure ya know your bible. Not force you to know it, as I dont believe in forcing one to know it, but you ask questions and I love helping give you the answers and what I dont know and that is plenty, I'll find out for ya. Love mama FB  
Date: 7/25/2002 8:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 10146    "The spirit that will confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is a true spirit from God. *Am I correct?*" YES!! "and this spirit helps give you the powers that God has given to you to help you. *Am I correct?*" Yes Again!! "Telekenisis, Telepathy, Aerokenisis, Pyrokenisis and other things are also bad for the same reason..... Am I correct?" From what I know to be True, You are Still Correct. So YES!! Hang in there Friend, Always trust God, From His Holy Words, Which you will come more familiar with, now that you are marrying, into a Family that Breaks Bread (Meaning sharing Scriptures) and Eats (Consumes into ones Heart) the Truth of Our Lord Jesus Christ, Our God.  

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