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America's New Satanic Foundation

  Author:  15070  Category:(Debate) Created:(7/13/2002 7:57:00 PM)
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America's New Satanic Foundation

(Radio Show Transcript Follows) The New World Order is coming Are you ready? Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same way again. FOR THE NEXT 30 MINUTES, YOU WILL BE ON

THE CUTTING EDGE This is David Bay, Director of Old Paths Ministries.

And this is the Cutting Edge, a radio program dedicated to warning and informing God's people. This program is committed to the study and exposition of the inerrant, inspired and authoritative Word of God. The views expressed belong to us, and are not necessarily shared by this station.

We are committed to the study and exposition of the inerrant, inspired and authoritative Word of God.

Our society is deteriorating, and Bible-believing Christians are ill-prepared to face that deterioration. This radio program is dedicated to preparing God's people to meet the challenges of the Day, and to encourage obedience to the Word of God in being separated from worldliness and false doctrine.

The moral bankruptcy of our society is well-documented.

Few people understand why we have become morally bankrupt. However, when we look at society through the eyes of God, through the Bible, we can easily see why we are facing the unprecedented troubles today. This study of America through the eyes of God is what we will always do try to here; stay with us for some eye-opening truths.

Now consider the following news briefs:

America is suffering unprecedented murder and bloodshed. "Item: Homicide rate among young American men is world's highest ." Providence Journal.

"Item: Julia Parker, from East New York City, was brazenly and publicly shot to death while she was sitting on a car with a group of friends. A gunman strode up, put a gun to the back of her head and opened fire.."That's the code of East New York", said a detective, "you talk to the cops and you're a rat." Police believe Julia was killed because she was seen talking to police about the murder of her friend and thought she was cooperating." New York Daily News.

Item: Abortion is now the most common surgical procedure in America...for every 1,000 live births, there are 353 abortions." Point of View Radio Talk Show .

America is experiencing highest ever rates of Drug Abuse And Addiction.

"Item: The scope of this epidemic is enormous. Every bill in circulation bears microscopic traces of cocaine. That amounts to 12 billion bills worth $230 billion. Why is this happening? Because these bills have, at one time or another, been used in the street purchase of cocaine. US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT.

America is abusing children in an unprecedented manner. "Item: Reported cases are now over 2 million, resulting in an estimated 5,000 deaths. Child abuse, which has increased over 700% since 1972, is now the fifth most common cause of death for children." America's teens are now committing suicide at a rate triple that of 30 years ago.

Pornography has now degenerated into the pit of Hell, with all imaginable sexual perversions now being readily available in Adult Bookstores and in Mass Media.

In Washington State, a Euthanasia bill was almost passed to allow medically-assisted suicides. Additionally, the current best-selling book on the New York Times best-seller Non-fiction list is a book on how to commit suicide.

Americans clearly have devalued human life, to the point where the killing of the physically or mentally handicapped, the elderly, or sick, is no longer unthinkable and is being accepted by many in our society.

1. DEFINING AND EQUATING SATANISM, HUMANISM, PAGANISM, AND NEW AGE MOVEMENT.

These horrors are occurring daily, as we are only too aware. What is happening to our society, that would cause such unbelievable problems? Is there one root cause, or are there many un-related causes? There is one root cause. Consider this: When America was founded in 1776-89, our Forefathers created the Government according to Christian principles. This is not to say that our major political leaders were born-again Christians. What we are saying is that Puritan Christianity was so prevalent among the American population that it influenced all of society, and that political leaders held its views, even though they were not personally saved. Also, many of the leaders immediately below the top echelon were born-again believers.

The net result was that our major fundamental documents which created our system of Government contained Christian precepts from beginning to end. Our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights were all products of Christian doctrine. Most people do not realize that the Constitutional Congress created a 5-man committee to write the Declaration of Independence. One of these men was a fundamentalist preacher of great standing in the Colonies. His active presence on the committee ensured that the dominant Christian viewpoint was amply expressed.

The American Government was created with a Christian foundation, resulting in a series of Governments who, in varying degrees, reflected Christian concerns, compassions, and direction. The American people born in succeeding generations also have been influenced in their attitudes and actions by this Christian foundation.

However, since the mid-1960's, this Christian foundation has been rejected and a Satanic-Values foundation has been laid. Since attitudes and actions of both Governments and its people flow from their foundational base, we should expect that American society would immediately undergo a dramatic transformation from a Christian to a Satanic orientation. If this theory is correct, we should see evidences throughout society of individuals and the Government acting in accordance with Satanic values. What are the predominate Satanic values? The Satanic Bible lists them:

INDULGENCE IN:

Personal selfishness,i.e., greed and pride. Physical lust. Anger Gluttony Laziness The elevation of these Satanic values to the level of encouraging its members to deliberately indulge in them has produced tremendous societal effects:

Strong desire for power over others Strong desire for accumulation of wealth and material possessions Strong sexual desires, to be satisfied Life becomes cheapened, losing its God-given sanctity. Obsession with violence and murder. Lack of compassion or empathy for those individuals who are handicapped or who are ill. Obsession with death. Death symbols begin to appear in society, and followers begin to fix their minds on death. Remember, hard-core Satanism demands human sacrifice, the younger the better. If our theory is correct, we should be able to see our society killing these innocents. In fact, since Satanists view the sacrifice of humans as the highest sacrifice, and the younger the better, we should see our society killing many babies at the youngest age possible? Do we see this occurring in American society? Of course!! We are killing over 1,500,000 babies yearly, most of them in such a way that physically tears them apart in the womb. And, President Clinton has just vetoed a bill that would prohibit the killing of babies that are full term, killing them in such a way as to remove their brains! Truly, Satan is alive and well in the United States today, and truly, we have changed over to a national Satanic Foundation.

But, there are more evidences that America has replaced its formerly Christian Values Foundation with a Satanic Values Foundation! Satanists hate any one who is imperfect in any way, like the elderly. If our theory is correct, we should see evidences of the killing of this group in America today.

We certainly do see news about the killing of the Elderly, called Euthanasia. Dr. Jack Kevorkian is leading the charge in this matter, trying to force America to change its beliefs to support "assisted suicide". Right now, Dr. Kevorkian is pushing for personal physician assisted suicide, but once that is accomplished, the next step will be for the state to step in to provide the doctors that will "assist" the "suicide". This exact sequence occurred in Germany in the 1920's-1930's, in such a way as to enable that dedicated Satanist, Adolf Hitler, to move National Germany to the point where they would accept, and assist in, the murder of 6 million Jews and 12 million others. We will cover this subject in greater detail in later programs, as we will also discuss the proven plan by which the attitudes of people can be changed over a period of time, in such a way that the change is absolutely invisible! The title of this process is the Six-Step Attitudinal Change Plan. It is being carried out daily in America, impacting you and your families, without your being aware that you are being manipulated! But, more about that later.

Do we see all these types of attitudes and actions in our society? YES!! If fact, these are precisely the kinds of crimes that are filling our daily newspapers and TV programs, that are devastating our country! Consider some more of our problems in light our change to a national Satanic foundation.

Divorce has doubled since 1965. Satanists have always hated the God-ordained family. Alcoholism is one of Satan's best tools to destroy both individuals and the traditional Family. Drug Addiction can be understood if we understand that Satanists and occultists always depended upon drugs to expand their consciousness. Drugs are critical to the prac-tice of Satanism and the New Age. (Alice Bailey, The Light Of The Soul, p. 377) Suicide has always been associated with Satanism, as adherents feel spiritually drawn toward Lord Satan. (Satanic Bible, p. 144) The Satanic Bible boldly states, on page 67, "Satanism condones any type of sexual activity which properly satisfies your individual desires --be it heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or even asexual... Satanism also sanction any fetish or deviation which will enhance your sex-life...Transvestism, sadism, masochism, exhibitionism, to name only a few..." Satanism has always demanded human sacrifice, the younger the better. In October, 1985, the TV Program, 20/20 reported the phenomenon of Satanism in America today. Their last segment showed several women who were giving birth for the express purpose of sacrificing the babies soon after birth. Since Satan highly values young, innocent baby sacrifice, think how very pleased he must be in the sacrificial slaughter of millions of unborn babies yearly in this country. You can thus see how this perception that America has replaced its national Christian foundation with a Satanic one, truly answers the question of "why" we are experiencing these many serious problems in an unprecedented manner. Keep this principle in mind, for it will further enlighten you as you proceed throughout our seminar material.

2. DEMONSTRATING INFLUENCE OF SATANISM ON INSTITUTIONS.

All societies are founded on principles or rules called mores or norms. Certain activities considered to be outside the boundries of acceptable behavior are called taboos. Mores and taboos are shaped by institutions. The major institutions in our culture are Government, Schools, Mass Media, and the Church. Satanism has definitely impacted each of these institutions. Consider the following examples:

* Government

a. The civil rights movement that permits and redefines sexual perversion as legitimate activity.

b. Governmental support of so-called art which glamorizes and legitimizes homosexual lust, denigrates Christianity and seeks to alter many traditionally-held values in our society. This support comes from the National Endowment For The Arts.

* Churches

a. Many liberal churches have adopted some of the values of Satanism. Teachings that homosexuality is a valid lifestyle is one example. Observe also the greed and personal pride involved in the lawsuit just concluded in which two TV-Evangelists sued one another over lost income.

b. Many churches have adopted the un-Biblical con-cept that we must become like the world to reach the world. Thus, we compromise and begin to condone so-called Christian Rock.

Listen to the Satanic Bible again, "Look how liberal the churches have become...They are practicing all the things [Satanists] preach...If many religions are denying their own Scriptures because they are 'out-of-date', and are preaching the philosophies of Satanism, why not call it by its rightful name -- Satanism. Certainly, it would be far less critical." Finally, someone has had the courage to call a Spade a Spade!!

* Schools

a. Public school systems place un-Christian emphasis on Values Clarification, which moves children away from Biblical teaching, emphasizing "personal choice" based only on human reasoning rather than on the objective standard of the Bible.

b. Our courts have re-interpreted law and our Constitution so that it is now unlawful to utter God's name in our public school system, unless it is to curse Him. Further, schools are required to teach the Humanistic theory of Evolution rather than the true Creation story revealed in the book of Genesis.

* Media

a. Mass media constantly distorts news coverage so that legitimate Christian positions on all topics is presented as idiotic and even possibly criminal.

b. Situation comedies seek, through the medium of laughter, to change the way in which people think about the values of life. Example: Saturday Night Live uses abominable sketches like their "Church Lady" to poke fun of Christian-ity portraying Satan as an innocent, harmless, fun-loving guy.

3. TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS, SHOWING THAT PERSONS CAN SUBSCRIBE TO VALUES OF SATANISM WITHOUT BEING PRACTICING SATANIST.

Remember, we are not saying that most Americans are practicing Satanists. What we are saying is that most Americans subscribe to some of the values of Satanism in their personal lives. To drive this point home, perhaps it would be helpful to review the 5 types of people in society.

1. One who is on-fire for his religion, attempting to convince others to join him in his persuasion.

2. One who is serious about observing his religious practices and who teaches his children it precepts

3. One who is mildly serious about his religion, but who solidly believe in that religions moral precepts.

4. One who isn't serious at all about religion but who feels constrained to live according to its general precepts in his public life.

5. One who is an outlaw, caring nothing about the religion of his culture and about living according to its precepts, even in his outward life. This type person generally is put into jail to remove his influence from society.

TRANSITION: Individuals whose attitudes are less than on fire but not completely cold about Christianity are now sub-scribing to some Satanic values in the conduct of their personal lives. For some, it may be sex, for another it may be desire for money or possessions, etc., but most Americans today and most American entertainment media have bought into some of the Satanic values. This is God's perspective.

5. LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS OF AMERICA TODAY FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.

When you look at American society today from this per-spective, you can clearly see why we are suffering from the crimes, perversions, and tragedies which are afflicting us. This situation is now so serious that America is now capable of leading the world into the Satanic New World Order. Most of you have heard this term many times since the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait last year. Presidents Bush and Gorbachev have repeatedly been proclaiming it since then.

What does this term mean? The New World Order is a spiritually occultic term which describes a new reorganiza-tion of the nations of the world into a One-World Government, Economy, and Religion. The Economy would be a Global, cashless economy. The Religion of the world would be renamed the New World Religion and would be a synthesis of all major world religions. The Government would have the United Nations at the top, but would be organized into 10 Supra-Nations, which have already been created on paper. Once these 10 Super-Nations have been established, the Plan for the New World Order envisions a Super-Man to arise, showing great signs and wonders to convince the peoples of the world that he is who he says he is, namely, that he is the Messiah for whom all the world's major religions are now awaiting. He is the Jewish Messiah, Jesus Christ returned, Mohammed returned, and Buddha returned. In a later program, we will show how he intends to accomplish this feat.

But, since the world is at this point in history, we are at the beginning point of the events in Revelation. And America is leading the charge.

6. APPLICATION - EXAMINE LIFE TO SEE IF YOU ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN CHALLENGE TO BE HOLY/SEPARATE

"If you are living a life which is not in obedience to Biblical commandments, come out from that lifestyle." "If you are a member of a church which is reversing long-held Biblical views, come out from that church. " You have been listening to the Cutting Edge, a radio program of Old Paths Ministries.



Return to The Cutting Edge Radio Show Transcript Index to select additional transcripts from our radio program.

Please feel free to E-mail Cutting Edge Ministries if you have any questions about our outreach ministry or any of these transcripts from our radio program.

*****AS I HAVE STATED EARLIER-I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS BUNK-BUT TO BE FAIR & START DIALOG ON THIS BOARD I AM GIVING THE "ENEMY" A CHANCE TO STATE THEIR CASE"



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Date: 7/13/2002 8:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 15675    That guy is a quack I repsetc christians but pagans and such have rights too this isnt just christians country. Religion is manmade people and its fine as long as it harms none but when people like this start talking it harming.  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:03:00 PM  From Authorid: 49498    This person is crazy. I talked to someone that had a demon from the Necronomicon. The demon tried to tell her they were in a battle to break heavens gates and hell would flood into earth. the thing is this is what demons want us to believe. No I am not crazy to you people who think I am..M.Man  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 45866    Nothing 'satanic' about that, it's all humans fault, not some god/goddess of the underworld or above.  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:14:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    o.k.....this person claimed a demon from the Necronomicon talked to HER. #1..why would a demon (especially one claiming such a High Position) talk to YOUR friend? The Necronomicon, if it were the REAL one (better luck getting a chance to read the original Dead-Sea Scrolls)..only a Master Occultist could perform the High Magick to gain the audience of such a being. #2- I don't believe in demons......and maybe you should be a little more careful about what you believe.  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:15:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    I should say...I do believe in inhuman beings...but not the whole Juedo-Christian mythos..  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    You just believe in the Pagan mythos I guess. Og
Date: 7/13/2002 8:27:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    No-I believe in history.....fact. I also believe that I am entitled to my opinion..as you are entitled to yours. And, if you wish to read about my views, go to:

http://pub24.ezboard.com/bparanormalresearch32456

I would welcome your view(s)
  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 49498    well if you say inhuman beings not everyone will know what you're talking about. I was just trying to make it so people get the message..M.Man  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:42:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    o.k.....I understand.  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    So I guess history supports your belief in inhuman beings but not Christian beliefs of inhuman beings? Og
Date: 7/13/2002 8:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    LSG,since you understand, please explain to me what M.Man is stating. Og
Date: 7/13/2002 8:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 17525    Seems the "Cutting Edge" has been around since the Middle ages. You're right LSG, BUNK is a good word for it. The article plainly implies that those who do not profess the Christian belief are subscribing to some aspects of Satanism. Fine!! Let them believe their own rhetoric. Thinkers will move on as they always have. I'd really like to see the financial statements of this particular 'demonination'.....speaking of greed. Peace,  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 51876    Well that was definitely interesting.I am definitely a Illumanati conspiracy theorist.To understand this transcript it takes a lot of mental fortitude.The media in all it's forms including this radio program is the last stage of the path to the global elite to the world.All these claims of a society gone satanist is total disinformation. The real satanist's are the bloodlines of Rothchilds,Rockefellers,Duponts,Bundys,Collins,Astor,Li,Kennedys,Onasiss and others who control global economies thru banking,political and corporate means.Even the Church of Satan was created as a smokescreen to make people beleive that Satanists are a bunch of robe wearing,blood sacrificing freaks. Even Anton LeVay himself finally admitted a few years back that the whole thing was a farce to make money.In reality these people beleive in the duality of Christianity.In other words if Jesus the Christ is lord of heaven then Satan is the Lord of this world.They pay tribute to this evil because they beleive they are Gods themselves.Propaganda is their weapon and they have been doing this for centuries.Just take a look at some of these bloodlines ancestory and what they have been involved in. How else could such a thing be even possible otherwise? I am not a christian and look at secular religon as a political game.Spirituality runs very deep to label Jesus or any other enlightened being as a savior is spitting in the face of everything they stood for which is for each one of us to evolve into beings of higher consciousness.Everything can be twisted to serve your own ideas and/or idealism.I have said this many times "TRUTH IS SUBJECTIVE"..........BruiextheGreenMan  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:53:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    well, Og....we are having a private chat session via "messages"...so you only saw part of the discussion...Osiris! Glad to see you!
(you have to stop by my new discussion board).

yes, sadly enough this man is using fear & worse case senerios to frighten the un-informed. I suspect with such a man, "receiving" the "free-gift" would not be enough & he would have a list of rules & regulations about who will & will not make it to heaven.
  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 50435    LSGGGGGGGGG!!!! YOU'RE BACK!!! Anyhoo, imagine the complex that a child raised by this amadan would have. About the demon conversation. Any demon, negative spirit, devil, and what-have-you will talk to absolutely ANYONE given the chance. As for its existance in the Christian sense, I do not know. It has been stated by demonologists that the belief in any of the leading world faiths is sufficient to repel these 'evil beings'. Just something to think about. Anyhoo, welcome back...  
Date: 7/13/2002 8:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    Truth is more than just subjective to anyone who believes in the Illuminati garbage in 50 years the Gates and Walton families will be on the list of Illuminati members. It is sheer fantasy preached by a mixture of white supremists,anti-semites,socialists, alien visitation believers,and end times Christians. Og
Date: 7/13/2002 9:00:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 15070    Og....you have just implied that BruiexTheGreenMan is one of the undesirables you have listed...*tsk* (by the way...on the subject of "alien-abduction" there are a few "christian's" here at USM that believe it also....)  
Date: 7/13/2002 9:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 50435    Read the Satanic Bible. Skip the hullabulla in the last part of the book, the spells or whatever. But look at the fundamentals of Satanism according to the late Mr. LeVey. He's got a point...  
Date: 7/13/2002 9:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    The libertarian aspect of Satanism is good. The rest of it is a bit odd. LeVay was a businessman, not a real good one. Og
Date: 7/13/2002 9:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    Yes LSG the Illuminati fits into certain end times Christian scenarios. OG
Date: 7/13/2002 9:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 51876    So OG what makes you so sure you are correct other than with your mental wipe of anything that crosses your path.I do not beleive that the Illumanati has all the control they want.In this day and age of constant communication and networking.They are losing their grip that is why things are escalting at such a fast rate now.They are going to lose.Why do you act like some invisible antagonist is to blame as a christian wouldn't it be logical that it would have to be human powers to acheive this horrible state of fear we live in.I really am sick of you and your "Holy than though stance".....BruiextheGreenman  
Date: 7/13/2002 9:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    I am not a Christian, like 95% of rational people I do not believe in the illuminati. Most of those who push it on blind individuals such as yourself have ulterior motives. The anti-capitalist wing of the constructors of the NWO fantasy are the ones who disturb me the most. The NWO is a politically impossible idea with a huge risk vs. a petty reward for the so-called benefactors of the New World Order. Which statement of mine was holier than thou? Og
Date: 7/13/2002 9:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    Personally you are the one who uses the NWO as a fantasy antagonist. The only antagonists I worry about are liberals in Congress and those who vote for them. Og
Date: 7/13/2002 10:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    The Greenman?.. I forgot to mention earlier the environmentalist faction of the NWO boogeyman construsctors. Og
Date: 7/13/2002 10:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 51876    To it may concern: I have never wrote NWO in any post,comment so I do not understand your point that is directed at me.I do not want to convince you of anything.If you think that these things do not exist so be it.I am not a UFO theorist,I do think there are mysteries that are out there.The Illumanati tentacles are so subtle. You OG talk down to me as if I am on a lesser scale than you or something.I have seen you comment on my posts in the past and you always call it garbage,nutty eccetera....Why do you seem to be so offended? Could it be that you are involved in some of these schemes.Nothing you say will ever gain a response from me again.The lesson is learned.....BruiextheGreenMan  
Date: 7/13/2002 10:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    Let me see does the time I have been here have anything to do with this debate? I don't think so. The illuminati is usually associated with NWO conspiracies as are the families Briux mentioned. Amazing how someone can state Christians are spitting on Christ and then be offended when someone labels one of his ideas as garbage.A bit of a double standard here, is it not? Og
Date: 7/14/2002 11:46:00 AM  From Authorid: 15319    I'm not going to comment on this too much, lest I lose my already frayed temper and make an arse of myself. I think everyone here knows what I think about these types of Christians.  
Date: 7/14/2002 4:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 29806    You hear that? It sounds like a cult starting! -ID-  
Date: 7/15/2002 4:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 42792    Jesuits and Freemasons= evil control freaks governing the world as allowed by inferior everyday people, who choose not to believe the truth, massed in billions, unknowingly supporting the ongoing fleecing of the entire world by oppressing their fellow man, who know the truth but stand in fewer number, leaving them no choice but to suffer in the masses of the ignorant as the blood sucking greedy leaches drain us all till death. Jesuits and Freemasons= one world power, one entity bringing all religions together as one.  
Date: 7/15/2002 6:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 19092    Who's "the enemy"...?  
Date: 7/15/2002 9:27:00 AM  From Authorid: 55376    I think Pogo had the answer to that one,King. Og
Date: 7/15/2002 10:17:00 AM  From Authorid: 16671    WEll og, I would think that the christian is the enemy in this post, as clearly this was taken from a christian web site. If one was to read a little more than just bits and pieces of this type of diaolog, they would see that the illuminate has been interwoven through out history. Clearly not enough study has been done on this subject. I find it amusing that the same people that dont believe that their are demons in the world, do believe in ghost, LOL, ROLFLMAO. Strangly enough this quote,from the author herself""" be sure of the strengh of your argument.if you have choosen, to "take-a-little-here-take-a-little-there" then you are your OWN god because you have created your own belief system. """ This was taken from her open letter to a satanist. And then of course there is this, ........do you realize with what's going on in the middle east, ect,ect for the first time in 2,000 years ALL the biblical prophecies can come to pass????... NOW this author tells us on this post, No-I believe in history.....fact
So does this mean, lsg, when its your fact? Your belief system of the month, that it must be true? Prove to me that the NWO wont come to pass. These people are not trying to scare people, they are telling them *fact* as they know it and simply because their *fact* does not line up with your fact of the month, does NOT make them an enemy. They are only an enemy in your own mind.

  
Date: 7/15/2002 10:54:00 AM  From Authorid: 54987    Well said LSG, Osiris, BruiextheGreenMan. Don't leave this site please. You're three of the few only ones on it LOL. Some of these so called demons and satanists must be posing as christians LOL. Does anyone know where I can find a t-shirt that says: 'I bumped into Tammy Faye Bakker'? Coolade  
Date: 7/15/2002 10:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 54987    'three of the few sane ones on it' I meant to type.  
Date: 7/15/2002 11:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 55376    Belief in the illuminati is about as sane as belief in the Easter Bunny. Og
Date: 7/15/2002 1:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    BruiextheGreenman, I too, believe, there is an elitist group of people, call them Satanists, Illuminati, or whatever, who are pulling the strings behind the scenes. Not all events are planned and carried out, with precision, but a lot of them, are, like this "war on terrorism," for example. Og, you and I have disagreed on this in the past, but how do you explain the "legislation," that is world-wide, against "individual dissident groups," in differing nations, when 9/11 happened to America. As our illustrious President said it was because of our "freedoms," that we were attacked, then how do you explain Hong Kong passing similar legislation? What on earth would they be afraid of? It simply makes no sense not to consider the possibility of the possibility of installing a world wide government. I personally feel that Satanism, and satanic activities are to create fear, and nothing more. However, I do know that murder happens, child molestation happens, and if people get together, dress in robes and terrorized young children and others into compliance and silence, then how can this not be a possibility? There is evil in the world, and there are people who harm others. There are leaders in countries, who get together, like the G-8, for example, and we do see the fruits of their policies take place in different nations around the world. And these groups are made up of UNELECTED people. To act as if this is not a possibility is naive, especially in light of all that is happening recently. LSG, I can agree with some of your post, but, by and large, this is another "wishful thinker," who is not looking at the facts, and doesn't care whether they are right or wrong, but simply wants to "slam their view, home." Coolade, ditto, on the Tammy Faye Bakker statement. I, although a Christian, am extremely wary of most Christians, and have far many more non-Christian associates who act more intelligent and loving, than a lot of the Christian hypocrites I know.  
Date: 7/15/2002 1:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    As transportation, the internet and other technologies make the world smaller and smaller intermingling of economies. the neccesity for certain common laws on certain issues e.g. laws protecting intellectual property, etc. are going to arise. The use of a boogeyman to blame for fascist laws leads people away from the truth. That these laws are usually a result of popular demand. We once had a Constitution that protected us from the whims of a temporary majority, no more. Since the reinterpretation by the Supreme Court of the General Welfare Clause in the Constitution we are no longer protected from majorities denying individual freedom. Pogo had it right,"We have seen the enemy, and it is us".Og
Date: 7/15/2002 2:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    O.K. Oggie, if that's true, then how do we reign them in? And don't tell me the election process, cause we've seen that that can be subverted as well. Corruption runs in every aspect of our government, and someone is allowing it - is it us, or is it the powers that be, allowing it to take place, after we've put our trust in them to do their jobs? How do we fire them????  
Date: 7/15/2002 2:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 55376    We can argue whether in a close election the results can be manipulated though I believe the correct result came out in the Presidential election for all the wrong reasons. The fact is there could have been no awarding the Presidency to McGovern or Goldwalter. The only option is to persuade the voters of this country that less government (which also means less goodies doled out by the government)is better. Unfortunately polls consistently show Americans want lower taxes but more government programs. Our duty is to educate the voters on the dangers of socialism and fascism. Voting Libertarian in the good ole USA would be a nice start. Anyone who has been voting Republican as the lesser of two evils needs to take a hard look at the expansion of government under the current administration.. Almost all my recent posts have been over government interference in our lives. We do not disagree on the dangers of big government,FG. Og
Date: 7/15/2002 2:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 27678    OG, you be right! However, it's going to take A LOT for me to feel comfortable even voting again, and I've voted for over twenty years. Things just seem too eerie for me. BTW, there's a great post I put in discussion re: Capitalism by Ron Paul, that I know you'd like. Peace.  
Date: 7/15/2002 4:22:00 PM  From Authorid: 54987    RIGHT ON FREEGIRL. You've joined my prestigious list of sane people ... hugz...Coolade  
Date: 7/15/2002 9:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 44448    I'm wiccan, and I'm not going to hesitate to mention I am horribly insulted. There are other religions, and just because they disobey yours, doesn't mean they are evil.  
Date: 7/16/2002 9:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 49277    i dont believe in satan, the fallen angel, embodyment, creator, and source of all evil, but i do believe in evil. dont worship satan, but dont worship the bible's god either. there CAn be middle ground. it isnt black or white. This man/woman is rediculous and judgemental, but partly right. religion is a big part of what is messing our society. but its not the religions themselves-its what people do becuz of it to eachother. like this person- shunning. each religion is like a room, doesnt matter which room ur standing in, if ur being cruel, prejudice, judgemental and arrogant.. than thats what ur being. doesnt change if u r standing in the christian room or the satanist room, or even in the doorway. ya get me? or so many christians seem to think being a christian is supposed to make sum1 a better person than pagans/etc. well, i say it doesnt make sum 1 a better person just becuz they walked into the room u are in or literally- into the religion u r in. hmm did that make sense.  
Date: 7/16/2002 9:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 54987    Yes it does make complete sense SavageFlower. Give me 5... Coolade  
Date: 7/17/2002 3:38:00 PM  From Authorid: 58491    Ponders...
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Date: 9/3/2002 2:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 27161    man i really want to know where this thing is lol hes sooo stupid lol these are teh types of people we satanists just love to pick on and mess with their minds due to their stpidity lol

these are what we call xians aka facist christian

hail satan
  

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