Date: 5/25/2002 9:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16069
Im sorry you had to go through this. Im sure it was very scary for you. Sometimes you really DONT have a choice!  |
Date: 5/25/2002 9:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
But see to me this isnt an abortion issue at all, this is a life saving issue as YOU were loosing the baby, the baby COULDNT be saved, and YOU CERTAINLY DID NOT START the hemmorage, or walk into an abortion clinic because YOU didnt want the bother of the KID. THE LOSS Of a baby and I dont give a big FLIP what people say, IS NOT an ABORTION. Oh sure they say spontaneouse abortion. yes, right. IF thats the word they want to believe thats up to them. When I lost DAVIDs twin, it certainly WAS NOT an abortion. THE baby died and removed its self from my womb, just as when IT HAD life, it was attached to my womb.  |
Date: 5/25/2002 9:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
I am so sorry you had to go through this and YES you are right..people DO need to hear the "other" side of the abortion issue!! I too had to have an abortion almost 8 years ago for health reasons..I was carrying the fetus in my tube..I think its time for people to realise that they can debate this issue til they are blue in the face, but until they are ever in a situation where they may have to make this type of decision they can NEVER know for sure what they would do..  |
Date: 5/25/2002 9:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 46800
I was not for abortion in the process of having my children, I always thought it was a bad thing until I took note and relized I am women it is my decision and my hubands decision.. I still get doubts about my beliefs here and there but thats a whole different story.... Now I am older and still can have children its a debate for me should I or shouldnt I..........tHANKS THIS HAS BECOME A NEW ISSUE! GOOD STORY, GOOD POINTS.I glad your life was saved thank you for saring.  |
Date: 5/25/2002 9:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
the good news is: I went on to have two other lovely children, for a total of three healthy, lovely children! LadyLuck, I understand. I really do...FB, I disagree. Legally the removal of a fetus, before it could be determined as to it's condition, aside from "spontanious abortion" ie: miscarriage, is an abortion, and IF abortion had been illegal in my state, you can believe, the baby would have remained where it was. Or maybe not, as my doctor was firey enought to fight for an issue...but to the point of losing her license? Thank the Goddess, I never had to find out. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. But we will never know the heart & spirit of those women who enter the clinics, do we? We don't know the "why's". What we do know is people are shouting at them, shooting at them & killing both they & their doctors....that is utter madness, in my opinion...  |
Date: 5/25/2002 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
Interesting how some see the physical life of an unborn child as more important than the physical AND psychological life of the adult.  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 9:30:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
that is true, JUNGABEL....did you see that web site on ~THINKERS~ post? I almost died! The one that lists abortion doctors, clinic, politicians..ect, and sets them up for murder? Good Lord! What madness... |
Date: 5/25/2002 9:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
It is madness, what seems more strange or mad to me is the blind following of a person, versus the same energy being applied to allowing the mind to delve into itself and think for itself and therefore find that "truth" that we all seek!!!  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 9:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
I say a "person" meaning a preacher, leader, teacher, authortative figure... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 9:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I know,....but fear keeps them from aski8ng too many questions. Fear of rejection, fear of eternal darnation, fear of maybe being wrong, fear of "questioning" the god they have created. Do I think the MEN who wrote that web page care one iota about women..? Oh, heck no...since the One who created us, be they Gods, Goddesses, or a combination thereof, (or even No God *Hiya, Thinker!*) gave us such good minds, why waste them? After all, minds are like parachutes, they only function when open....thank you, JUNGABEL... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 9:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
call it what you want lsg, I dont care what the *legal* term is for it. However that is not what I call it nor ever will I. |
Date: 5/25/2002 10:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 53689
I agree with Lady Luck. I have heard so meny people who have never had to make the choice critize those who have. When asked if I would EVER have an abortion (whatever the circumstances) I respond with "I don't know." TarHeelGirl  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you for your honesty....this is not an easy question..... |
Date: 5/25/2002 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
OUCH. Touchy subject. I'm glad you're still here to tell us about it. My opinion on abortion: As a method of birth control...nope. For a woman who has been impregnated through rape or is in danger of losing her own life...absolutely. A lot of people have a serious beef with abortions, so much so that they can justify the murdering of doctors who perform such procedures. Yeah, that's it. Way to be. The thing is that no one can tell someone what to do with their body when they've been violated or are in danger of losing their lives. If you think you can, then you've got a lot of growing up to do. If you like to take the religious standpoint to be anti-abortion then that's your deal. Apply it to yourself and yourself only. Your relationship with God is between you and Him and does not have a place in anyone else's life but your own. You have no right to judge for it is only He that will judge in the end. Not you. If you feel otherwise then I think you're following the wrong faith. If you think that you can look at the child of your daughter's rapist with the same love as a child born in consent then I feel that reality is doing a magnificent job of avoiding you. I have a strange feeling that this reply won't last long. But it's how I feel and therefore I'll leave it as is with the hopes that admin. will see it for what it is and that I'm not out to hurt or insult anyone but to supply my opinion as requested by the author of the post. Take care and maybe I should have just left it...lol...Gallytuck.  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
GallyTuck, that is a very honest, open answer. I agree with you, absolutely! I hope the Admin's don't remove comments they "disagree" with, that would defeat the purpose of Debate! This is an important issue. And one that does need to be discussed. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Ahhh, LSG, only in a perfect world, eh? LOL. I just read my reply over for the hundredth time and I really feel that the odds of its survival are almost nil...LOL. Oh well, the price of honesty...Gallytuck. |
Date: 5/25/2002 10:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
That just bugs me the other people there were just gonna let you die..."its in Gods hands" PLEASE! In that case they should not be working in hospitals...there should be no hospitals....its ALL in Gods hands...that's just sad. I'm sorry you had to go through that.  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Ok, let us compromise allow abortions when a woman's life is in danger and prohibit the rest. This will save about a million lives a year. I do not see how the child of a rapist is any less innocent than a child conceived through consensual sex. HugoHugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
then you have to also not count it as abortion when it was rape or incest hugohugo al prophet whatever your name |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
That's a good idea Hugo. Then we can have a million more child abuse or murder cases...works for me! Not to mention the added loss of life from back alley abortions... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
About 43 years ago a woman in the Phillipines was told she must have an abortion are she would suffer grave health consequences and quite possibly death. She would be allowed to have an abortion in a country where abortion was only legal when a mother's health was in serious jeopardy. She ignored the doctor's advice and gave birth to a baby girl, who now happens to be the mother of my son. With the exception of the toilet lid issue she is a pretty wonderful wife. Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Hugo, if your daughter, Wife,Mother, Sister, Whomever, were raped, you would force them to give birth??!??? And, you could raise the child as your own...? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
wow you are very lucky to be here !! One in a million? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
An where do you get your statistics from 22, that allow you to figure every unaborted child will be murdered or abused? Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
My wife would choose to have the baby. I cannot force her to do anything. I would raise the baby as my own, certainly I would.Do you believe children should be punished for the sins of the father? Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
hmm so the physical state of mom is more important than the psychological health of said mother? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
Hugo I was generalizing. But if a woman is forced to give birth do you not think that will increase child abuse, the number of children murdered by their parents, the number of babies found in dumpsters, or just plain neglect. It happens everyday now, even with abortion. Just because your wife and her mother survived does not mean that they all will. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 10:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
oh and the importance of the unborn child is also more important than the physicological health of the mother? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
In two days I will be celebrating my 22nd wedding anniversary to that "fetus" that should have been aborted. Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
HUGO, your comments have ventured into the "inapproprate" area here. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Yes life is more important than any emotional burden placed on the mother. Hugo |
Date: 5/25/2002 11:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
Hey LSG, this is a very good post. It demonstrates the mental moonshine of religion too. It WASN'T in God's hands at all contrary to what these idiots believed. Had religion been allowed to rule, you would have died. This doctor was right, the hospital was wrong and their objections based on religious grounds were just so much religious lunacy. I agree with the ovaries thing too! lol Once the govennment gets into our bodies, they'll never leave. Peace,  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
No one is suggesting your wife should have been "aborted".... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you, Osiris..... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Yeah, Hugo, and a rape victim DESERVES to have a constant reminder of what happened to her. This is great for the father, he has the pride of being a man with the title of 'dad' AND if he doesn't get caught he can dodge the child-support payments. Gee, this is a wonderful world...Gallytuck. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
hmmm a life yet born is more important than the state of the woman to raise such a child?? Does that make sense? If the mother is in no condition to raise the baby, her individual life is negated due to the baby unborn? I disagree. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
HUGO> I find your last reply chilling....that is my reaction... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
That "emotional burden" on the mother will not only affect her life. It will also affect the life of the child. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Also, the child will live a wonderful life being the object of hatred and fear. But hey, at least they're living, eh? Who cares if you grow up with a complex because your mother hated you? So she slapped you around a bit and eventually killed herself because she couldn't take it anymore. Way to be. If only every child could experience that...Gallytuck. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Government has a duty to protect life and liberty. That is the reason, as Rousseau states, man leaves the state of nature and forms associations with other men. You cannot protect liberty without first protecting life. To ignore the duty to protect the mother's life in LSG's case was religious foolery. To allow perfectly viable babies to be aborted when they pose no threat to the life of the mother is woman's lib run amuck. Both are wrong, both ignore what the primary duty of government is. Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
OH lol Government should decide what an individual woman can and cannot handle as to the AWESOME responsibility of raising a child to be a productive citizen !! LOL ya right !!! |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
I am sure you do. You see the fetus as nothing more than tissue to be aborted on a whim. I see my wife and I see what that fetus develops into. I find killing unborn babies "chilling". Hugo |
Date: 5/25/2002 11:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
If we leave it up to the gov't to protect us then we're all as good as gone...LOL. Since when has the gov't been good at protecting lives without the sacrificing of the lives of others?...Gallytuck.
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
Hugo al, not only are you lucky to be here, you are lucky that your wife's mother was not shunned and stoned to death and lucky that she had the wherewithall to raise your wife |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
The government decided Andrea Yates could not opt out of motherhood, despite the strong insistance by the National Organization of Woman that Yates simply and I quote "assisted the children to the other side".Murder is never justified. Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Why would my wife's mother have been shunned and stoned to death for having a complicated pregnancy? Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
never justified, yet the woman who's life is in danger can "murder" the unborn.... hmmm which is it? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Ever hear of self defense? Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
Was it better that she had them and murdered them when she could have simply aborted them? At least then they would not have had to experience what they did. Yes murder is murder, but if someone was gonna do it, I'd much prefer be sleeping then to be awake and aware of the situation. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
There is such a thing as mercy |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
well depending on circumstance no? it doesn't have to be you personally, but a raped woman, un wed and having a child some years ago would be shunned, and therefore may raise that child differently, would it be better to be raised? in that manner, with the mother not being of sound mind due to circumstance? Her plight may send her to insanity but the child being an innocent should be born no matter what???really? not you personally I say for circumstance, that not all is ideal, and as in your circumstance is luck that it worked out... fate luck, good fortune. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
When all the pro lifers are lined up and taking all these unwanted babies...and there are no more unwanted babies floating in the system...maybe we can get rid of abortions but I don't see that happening any time soon. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:23:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
what I found "chilling" was your appearent disreguard for the Woman's feeling at the expense of the "a child at all costs". It is ironic you bring Andrea Yates into this since SHE is an example of a woman, forced by religious views to breed, like some mindless machine! The Mother's emotional well-being has EVERYTHING to do with the child "in-utero" & afterwards....sorry, I find flaw in your logic, HUGO/Al |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
We all need a bit of luck and good fortune. The killing of the unborn is murder straight and simple, only self defense justifies killing another human being. I want to be wide awake if someone is trying to kill me. Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
what of the woman's self defense in her sanity at having to bear deliver and raise a child she knows she cannot raise??? that is discarded? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Hugo, that your situation is actually not valid. I know many Filipinas and Filipinos and they are all very religious. Catholic. Therefore, your case is not a very good representation of what it is we are really dealing with here...Gallytuck. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
like a famous comedian said... "till you have a uterus you have no say!" lol |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
I happen to have known four people that were murdered...1 was sleeping and the other 3 were awake and I can guarantee the one sleeping suffered much less. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Excuse me I have forgotten to add Al after hugo. Hugo/Al Let us threaten to silence someone who dares question our opinion on abortion. A major reason for people being banned on this site is they oppose abortion. The liberal mindset censor those you disagree with. Hugo/Al |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
I don't get ny values from left wing comedians, another attempt at censorship, sad quite sad. Hugo/Al |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
hmmm why change subject when matter at hand has not a logical argument? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
left wing LOL nighty night... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:29:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
let's just say a menatlly strong, superwoman gives birth to the child-by-force, what do you tell them about their other parent???? I mean, say your white, your partner is white, your assailant is Afro-American, *boom* a mixed-baby, come on, aren't the brothers & sisters supposed to figure it out? the child himself, when he doesn't look like anyone else? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Well, it's clear that I should go to bed. I'm leaving out parts of sentences now...LOL. Sorry 'bout that. Take care and goodnight LSG, Hugo, Jungabel, Sep, and Osiris if you're still around...Gallytuck. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
I am married to a Filipina, Gallytuck. I know what I am talking about. Hugo |
Date: 5/25/2002 11:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
I'd like to know how many children that are the product of rape, have birth defects, have genetic defects, or a above the age of 4 that Hugo has adopted ... IMZP  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
you could not possibly believe people get banned from USM for disagreeing with the "Liberal mind-set", please, that just takes the responsibility off of the person banned, because of their own behavior.... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
'Night......*zzzzz*..... |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Oh, so I guess LSG if you get raped by someone of your own race you can go ahead and have the baby, but if it is another race you have to abort so no questions will be asked. I never saw you as a racist. Hugo |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
Night. I am as embarrased to have been banned for attacking abortion rights as Thoreau was to have been thrown in prison. Hugo |
Date: 5/25/2002 11:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
oh sorry to hear that but either way the jestr is pro choice  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
C'mon, I want to know how many kids have been adopted by all the people speaking up against abortion ... IMZP |
Date: 5/25/2002 11:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 13974
lol @ IMZP I know....won't respond to that for me either.....I want them to line up and start taking them!  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
why do i get the feeling that the # is 0? |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
well before ANYONE trys to tell a woman what to do with her body they should put up or shut up! ... IMZP |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 13974
Hugo, you make no sense...you want to do away with social service programs, WIC, Foodstamps, Medicaid, etc... Yet you want all these children to be born to parents that know they cannot support them on their own. Do you want them to be born so they can die on the streets?? I agree you should be cautious when engaging in activities that can create a baby, but mistakes CAN and DO happen...Doing away with these programs will not decrease the amount of teenagers having children and being unable to take care of them. |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 13937
OOPS!!!! Those two comments by Phydeux were actually me....we are going back and forth on the computer and I accidentally posted while he was logged on. |
Date: 5/25/2002 11:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 36803
Well, I'm glad your life was saved and I'm very sorry to hear you had to endure something like that. Personally, I will will always be pro-choice. I don't tell other people how to live their lives or what to do with their bodies and I expect the same treatment. I don't believe abortion, should be a form of birth control..but I certainly think it can be used when the woman's life is in serious jeopardy, she was raped, or the baby has a zero chance of survival, but those are just my personal thoughts. *hugs*  |
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Date: 5/25/2002 11:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 51635
if more got tought in schools, condoms were available to teens with out embarrasment, and parents were more involved in thier kids lives, then the number of children having children would go down |
Date: 5/26/2002 12:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 3321
I agree wholeheartedly. Our bodies should not be up for debate. And most hospitals and doctors will tell you that it is essential to save the mother before you can help the child, because it is near impossible for the fetus to live without the mother. In the honorable words of the doctors at Cook County Hospital in Illinois.  |
Date: 5/26/2002 2:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 30229
You know, LSG, I have to agree with the others, this wasnt an abortion, it was nature's way of letting you know something was not right with the pregnancy, and it was also the symptoms that the Dr. used in KNOWING the baby wouldnt survive anyway, and you wouldnt either, so she chose to give you a shot at life, at being there to raise your child. I agree with you, we will never stop the reasons for abortions, and we, as a whole, just needs to stay out of the business of women having to have them. I will never be guilty of passing judgement on any woman in the position to know what she needs.. I am sincerely sorry you had to go through that though, it must have been really hard on you...  |
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Date: 5/26/2002 2:52:00 AM
From Authorid: 30229
I also have to say that I agree with Persephone here.. Great point.. |
Date: 5/26/2002 6:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 19345
most of the religious hospitals won't perorm those but alot of people dont know. As long as women have babies there will be those who think it is a sin to do abortions but the reality is no matter how many stomp there feet, protest and make up wild campaigns womwen will want abortions, legally or illegaly, so atleast make sure they get them safe. I don't want to see back ally abortions with women dying again...  |
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Date: 5/26/2002 8:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 50435
If abortions go against God's will, then so do cancer treatments. If God wants someone then he takes them. You have no right to cure cancer victims because you are preventing God from carrying out His plan. Hopefully, those of you that have lost someone to cancer will see the ridiculous nature of that statement, as well as the parallels...Gallytuck. |
Date: 5/26/2002 10:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
I call it tomatoe, you call it ta ma toe,
I call it potatoe, you call it pa, ta toe, no one here is going to agree. BUT we that dont believe in abortion, *adoption perhaps would work* have the same right to voice our fiews as the rest of this crowd here. MAIN line, MOST people can do what they need to do for protection. It seems this topic always goes back to rape. What about the MILLIONS that are NOT raped, only that they dont have sense enough to take CARE OF THEIR OWN BODIES in which everyone says the woman OWNS> IF she owns it she certainly isnt doing a great job maintaining it, at least many many are not. |
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Date: 5/26/2002 1:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
I can certainly understand you getting frustrated with this debate always coming back to rape, Firstborn. I am frustrated on other topics that always come back to the same thing. So I know how you feel. That's why I presented a whole new approach. Your(not you, of course, lol, but the general 'you')relationship with God is yours and yours alone. My relationship with God is mine and not yours. You have no right to judge me for my actions because you are not God. God will judge, not us. God has a plan. We have to follow that plan. If you prevent someone from having an abortion you are interfering with God's will. The same way that ol' uncle Harry died of a heart attack because "it was God's will" then must also be applied to the termination of an unborn child. Sick, maybe? But I didn't start that. Time to lay in the bed that was made...Gallytuck. |
Date: 5/26/2002 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 16917
I am so sorry for what you went thru. This to me was not an abortion but a life saving situation. I am truly pro-choice and that means exactly what it is a choice and that is why I chose life. I would never judge anyone who has had an abortion regardless of the circumstances because It's not my place to judge. Again, I am truly sorry for your experience it must have been very traumatizing. I also wanted to say thank you for sharing your story with us. You brougt up a very excellent point.  |
Date: 5/26/2002 3:07:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
All righty then,....HUGO, I am shocked that even you would stoop so low as to accuse me of being raciest. I merely pointed out the scenero as an example of a child reaching a certain age & realizing he is a different color/body type/hair-etc...than hs parents/ or siblings....same with the siblings realizing one of their "own" are different in a way that cannot be explained by heretity. Now, to the question of rape: yes, abortaion should be legal & safe and available for rape victims. That includes marital & familial rape. Now to the single collage student who is unmarried & 3 credits from her degee, with her whole life ahead of her. We all understand how children are made. We all understand if you engage in that behavior, you could find yourself with child. Now a decission needs to be made. Adoption....? and run the risk 18-20-25 years later, the child you offered-up for adoption may appear to your NEW husband, new children, etc..and complicate your life? Single parenthood? let's see....parenthood is tough enough when your a MARRIED parent, let alone a single parent.Trust me, I am way too familiar with the that topic. Abortion....? the death of an innocent?
Now what the above is designed to do is help you realized only the most callused, ignorant woman would not weigh all her options...I have never had an "abortion" in the sense I sceduled it, and went in and had one. But I could have. Life has a funny way of twists & turns. I am NOT in a position to judge what another woman chooses to do. In the end, she must live with her own choices. But it must be safe & legal...and availible....that is my final thought. |
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Date: 5/26/2002 3:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
and I thank all of you who have responded here. Yes, being in the heath care field, I know the full-story of abortion. Being a sensitive human being, I understand what happens to a woman's heart when she must make this decision. My only point is, it must be available..you cannot force a woman to give birth to a child that was not wanted...nor one she is ill-prepared to care for.I remember a case up-North where a 13-year old child found herself pregnant by familial rape. By the time the legal garbage was out of the way, she was too far, and had the child. Good Lord!.....don't you think, and I mean search your hearts......she should have been offered the right to mourn the loss of s child? Instead of living with the constant reminder of her shame? |
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Date: 5/26/2002 6:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 54307
As a libertarian I believe a person should have a right to swing their fist up to the point it reaches another persons nose ( r puts his neighbor in fear of being punched in the nose). Abortion is shoving that fist through the OTHER PERSON'S nose. The fact is you make choices in life that may embarrass you. Potential embarrassment does not justify killing. I did not call you a racist LSG, just pointing out a problem with your argument. Hugo. Do I really need to add the Al? |
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Date: 5/26/2002 9:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 50435
Thanks for making the comment about the 13-year-old girl. Being raped by a family member is one thing but... OK. 13-years-old. I find that a lot of these people who like to preach about what other people should be doin' with their bodies are the same ones that are preaching that you shouldn't have sex 'til you're married or at least over 20. So, I'm curious as to what they have to say about the case that you mentioned. My entire position on this topic accounts for ALL situations and does not have to be modified for special cases. A lot of these other people continually update their views. I think it's hilarious that they can't have one view that withstands the different scenarios. And they expect us to take them seriously? Take care...Gallytuck. |
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Date: 5/26/2002 10:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
My final position will be the same. A woman makes her own bed, to lie in. She makes choices & lives with them. Only the most unfeeling woman would not mourn the loss of her baby, even IF she elected to abort. It needs to be safe & legal. And those who should & abuse the woman, are more wrong than they can imagine...... |
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Date: 5/27/2002 9:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 54307
My position comes down to one statement. It should not be legal to kill humans except in self-defense. Hugo |
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Date: 5/28/2002 11:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 53326
I think that it is important that it is poining out that in all the larger abortion debates lately it has been pointed out that abortions for genuine medical reasons are not what are being debated, only those for people who have no medical safety reasons. A lot of them dont even include rape. |
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Date: 5/28/2002 11:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 53326
Also to the people who insist on saying the baby is part of the woman's body. The baby is not a limb or organ it is a separate being with its own DNA |
Date: 3/8/2003 10:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 53358
i am sorry that you had to go through that  |
