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Whatever Happened To Freedom Of Speech???

  Author:  277  Category:(Discussion) Created:(5/14/2002 8:22:00 PM)
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I just read and responded to a post. I then tried to bookmark it and much to my surprise it had disappeared!

It was within the guidelines of this website. It was definitely child appropriate. It was debateable, however, it was not in debate, but I totally agreed with the post. The author of the post stated that they were leaving USM, because they felt they had to use fluff for acceptance at USM. WHat amazed me the most was that the post was deleted. If this author had stated he/she was leaving because they were being harrassed, ridiculed or felt left out but did not state the reason due to fluff then I am quite certain that the post would have remained and encouraging words would have been left.

The whole contents of the post was in regards to "too much fluff" here at USM. Fluff, for those of you unfamiliar with the term is overly sugar coating comments with hugs, kisses, love...etc....

It is almost as if people put a mask and change personality when they logon to the internet. I am a real person, as I hope all of you are. We can all be real at USM without all the fluff. If we were to take all the fluff away this would still be a terrific website. Although, I feel that most of the fluffers are trying to brown nose for some reason. Or maybe they weren't loved and hugged enough as babies.

If some people feel the need to fluff...do it because you mean it. Don't do it because you feel it is expected. I don't spread fluff because I know I wouldn't mean it. And when it is directed towards me I overlook it and wonder why some stranger wants to hug me.

We should be allowed to express our opinions within the guidelines. If opinions are deleted I have to question why I am a member.

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Date: 5/14/2002 8:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 49101    Well, considering that they were complaining about the fact that people were too, erm, "Fluffy" I think peeps may have been offended by it. Some of us are truly happy, loving, friendly, outgoing, "FLUFFY" people. So in a way, maybe the Admins felt that too many people here would have taken offence at this. Just My Opinion! (((HUGS))), XOXOXOXO, Kisses, SMILIES , Smoochies, and other "Fluffy" Stuff! hehehe  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 45619    it was deleted?! urgh! that's not fair! the kid was right! there is too much fluff here and people are so fake i want to gag! i wanna see them go up to one of their real friends and say huge huggle before leaving! not gonna happen bc the other person would think they were crazy, but they have no problem doing it on this site! it's just insane i think! i think everyone is brainwashed or something, maybe all the bright colors got to their heads!  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 45619    well, i take offense to when people say things about suicide and get away with it, but do those stories get deleted? no, of course not, but anything that would disrupt the "aura" of the perfect usm has to quickly be deleted so as not to cause an uproar! if they don't like it, don't read it, it's that simple.  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    I saw that post and went to comment to it, and it was gone. Now, I will tell you. When I leave my friends (IRL) I DO hug them. :P...and I doubt very much anyone would call me a brown noser either. But, if they do. So What???? I will also continue to end my replies with *Fluff* cause that is just how I am. :P..*HUGS*  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 52217    I agree, there is too much restriction to what we say. i totally think that them deleting the post was unnecessary...and i believe that even if some people are naturally "Fluffy" not all the users at USM are "fluffy" people. and why whould a "fluffy" person feel offended about being called fluffy? ~Messiah~
Date: 5/14/2002 8:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    OMG YOU BIG BUNCH OF OVERLY SENSITIVE, DELETE HAPPY, CENSORSHIP ABUSING, JAMMING FLUFF DOWN OUR THROATS AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPINION AND "RUDENESS" BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeeeeeeeeeez, Hawk, can you tell I've just about HAD it????? I can't believe that post was DELETED!!!!! GRRRRRRR!!!!!...  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    BTW. Another reason I've been ending my comments with hugs is cause I was thinking about stopping it. Til, I saw a post( awhile back) about how it irritates some people. So, of course I can't stop now!!! :P..*HUGS*  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 15033    Who on earth was it? I hope it wasn't who I think it may have been...Whoever you are, make a comment here...I want to kiss you, and hug you, and say I love you before you go...I mean it!  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 15033    Hawk and Ali, I am so glad it wasn't onw or either of you trying to leave...I love your true grit around here :-) now give me a hug...hehe!!  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 45619    lmao! laughs at ali! that was great!  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:44:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    Ali, I don't know what or who you are talking about. But I certainly know the difference between opinions and rudeness. :P..*HUGS* And you know they are real hugs to you! hmmmph! lol..  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 49101    Well, I am a very FLUFFY person, so if they or you or whomever else doesn't like my Fluffiness, too bad! I like being fluffy! And I will remain forever so! If you don't like "Fluff" then go to a non-G rated type of site? We must be friendly at USM, cause if we don't love eachother, who will?  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 45619    non g-rated! oh don't even go there again! this site is not g-rated at all, and you all know it! there are so many things on here i wouldn't even want my parents knowing i read! and we're not saying you can't be fluffy, we're saying that you don't have a right to delete someon's post bc of their opinion!  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    PL, I was venting at the "powers that be". Thunderhead - *wink*. Miss C, with all due respect, please don't try to mold me into YOU! I've been here for over two years, and if ADMIN can still tolerate me after all this time, I think you can, too...  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 49101    Um, Ali, I like you for who you are, I would never ask that someone be like me, or like anybody else? Where did you get that idea??  
Date: 5/14/2002 8:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    OH. OK Ali. jeeze, I could tell SOMEBODY ticked you off! LOL.. *HUGS*  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    "We must be friendly at USM, cause if we don't love eachother, who will?". We don't ALL have to LOVE eachother around here! Just because Scrabble Kid's post didn't have bunnies, smiling babies and flowers around the borders doesn't mean it wasn't valid! It was COMPLETELY within the guidelines of the site! Good Lord, God forbid someone has an original thought around here that isn't coated in sugar and spice and everything nice! INTELLIGENT THOUGHT IS BEING COMPLETEY SUBDUED AROUND HERE! FASCISM!!!! DO YOU HEAR ME? Ohhhhhhhh, I can totally see the end of my rope...hmmmmmmm...  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 49101    Well then perhaps the problem was the location of the post. I have a post up right now in Debate that is anything but conservative, or friendly. But you know what, I have a personal rule about my debate posts, be CIVIL.  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 16916    So your complaining that people are friendly? Hmmmm well I like being happy and Fluffy. It makes me comfy with the people around me. I hug people all the time that I just meet Im just that kinda person, I am no different on USM than in real life. And if being nice is brown nosing, than you need to learn the definition of Nice. Were people mean to you as a child? Do you have problems being nice to people...urggggggggghh I gotta stop because I cant say anymore nice things...Huge Huggs kisses and loooovvveee SugaPie   
Date: 5/14/2002 9:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    It wasn't the location that got that post axed. It was the fact that it had an original thought outside of the USM "let's all be friends and hold hands" mold and someone didn't like it. It was uncerimoniously axed because it was "harsh". Not graphic, not profane, but HARSH!?!?!?! I've heard harsher things on Bugs Bunny for crying out loud! What a crock...  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    By the way, too much sugar in one's diet can cause disease. So there. lol...  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    Sorry Hawk. Didn't mean to overrun your post with my rantings! ...  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:17:00 PM  From Authorid: 14412    Well, freedom of speech is fine, but when you insult others that is where you should expect a post to get deleted. Insulting people because they do one thing is just showing that you do not approve. Fine don't approve, but maybe that is something YOU need to deal with. If you don't like how they have thier "FLUFF" well guess what no one makes you stay focused on it. If you think they do it to irratate you, well guess what again, they do it because they want to. Yes you can express your opinions within the guidelines, and the post that you are talking about was NOT within the guidelines at all, as it was insulting others. You can ignore the ending to comments, but focusing on how people use hugs and all, that just proves you want something to bicker about. I don't use those endings or anything of the sort, but i will not sit and attack the people that do. This site is for EVERYONE!!! And as for saying some of of us abuse our powers, well maybe some of you would care to look at the actions that caused deletions of posts, or what the content of the posts were actually. Ali, that post of his was RUDE. Would like you to be called an airhead. I highly doubt it. And this site is g-rated as for certain content, if you do remember Admin was looking into a different rating also. Maybe you all rather have people be negative and not have a positive thing to say, I know one person a few days ago that was sent off the site for being extremely rude and then tried to to get someone else knocked off by stating a lie...Maybe you all should look at YOUR own actions before judging the actions of others.  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 53659    sometimes it feels really good when you are down or lonely to get hugs even if they are on line hugs  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 49101    Personally, (And I have to say, I really liked Scrabble Kid) I just think Admins and many others here, are just tired of seeing the posts where people come in dissing the site that they work so hard to maintain, and then posting these whiney posts about why they are leaving. I am just stating an opinion here, I see those kinds of titles, and I just pass 'em right on by...  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    I think USM's turned Ali into the next Unibomber  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 49101    Poor Ali... Wanna Hug? hehehe, nighty night peeps, I got an ewarly day tomorrow, I'll check back with ya in the AM!  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    I read his post. I commented on his post. There was NOTHING wrong with his post. I won't be budged on this one...  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 1631    Base, LMAO! Where have YOU been?...  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 14412    So Ali calling people airheads is fine by you...lol..Well it is not fine by others. Name calling is the most immature thing I can think of besides the point of trying to say people are to nice...lol  
Date: 5/14/2002 9:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 36704    sorry Ali this is a g rated website I can't tell you where I've been lmao  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:20:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Miss C, How could people be offended? If I were to go to the mall I would be surrounded by strangers. If people (strangers) said "excuse me" and hugged you before they passed wouldn't you wonder why they did that? I do think many people who come here are happy, but I do believe a good number of people come here because they are not happy and use fluff for attention maybe because they are lonely. Fluff may draw attention, but an honest opinion with no sugar coating definitely would have more of an impact. There are many young members here. We should influence individuality. I'm sure they have enough follow the leader at school.  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:27:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Fire ANgel, I didn't think it was fair either, hence this post. I know a few people who are the type who must stand right in front of your face to speak and touch your arm while they are talking. I always back away and try to cut the conversation short. Also, a few people who feel the need to hug everyone when they leave. But these people are usually intoxicated. I wonder what the real story is here? Maybe once the Admins of USM finish their new website myhugs.com the touchy feely people will feel more comfortable there. Then maybe USM will start to be like it used to be a few years ago. Now, I'm not saying the touchy feely people should leave. Just maybe the Admins understand the irritation associated with fluff and decided to create a website for it. Just a thought...LOL! Probably not the case, but oh well.  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:31:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Private Lady, If that's how you are, then good for you for being yourself. But, here's a question: Do you hug strangers? Because for all you know, maybe I'm not really Hawk, a 27 year old from California. I could be a big fat hairy convicted felon/rapist/molester man named Chester from Delaware. Something to think about.  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:33:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Messiah, if a person was truly fluffy in life and they were being themselves then they wouldn't/shouldn't be offended.  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:34:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Ditto, Ali! And I can totally tell! LOL!  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:38:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Private Lady, First you say "I will also continue to end my replies with *Fluff* cause that is just how I am." Then you say "Another reason I've been ending my comments with hugs is cause I was thinking about stopping it. Til, I saw a post( awhile back) about how it irritates some people. So, of course I can't stop now!!!" So which is it? That's how you are, but you thought about stopping yourself from typing *hugs* until you read it irritated some people? So in other words we are dealing with a real mature crowd here.  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:44:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Miss C, "We must be friendly at USM, cause if we don't love eachother, who will?" Is this really the type of message we want to send out on a "G rated" website? We are keeping that separation from real world/real people versus internet/strangers right???  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:46:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Ali, yes, sounds like FASCISM!!!! Miss C, Location isn't always the key. I think it just depends on who is around.  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    Hawk,
I was getting ready to go to bed til I read this. My answer to you is BOTH! I do hug my friends IRL and the reason I was gonna stop doing it here, was cause I was just getting tired of doing it. THEN I saw that it irritates some people and I kept on doing it. :P..As for you being somebody OTHER than who you say you are. You ARE on a computer. So, who cares?????? :P *HUGS*
  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    Just to clarify that. I meant, since I don't plan on ever meeting you. It really doesn't matter if you are some pervert named Chester from Delaware. Does it?  
Date: 5/14/2002 10:59:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Predictor, There are examples above showing proof that fluff is used to irritae. (Private Lady on Date: 5/14/2002 8:40:00 PM Also Thunderheads sarcasm on Date: 5/14/2002 8:40:00 PM and Date: 5/14/2002 8:44:00 PM) also comment on Date: 5/14/2002 9:31:00 PM I'm quite sure if you do a search of stories with the usage of the words hugs, etc that you will find people trying to irritae others with their kindness. Also, any post where a snotty comment ends with "hugs" so they can dodge a warning from an admin by saying it was in jest, and use the *hug* as their defense. Shall I go on? If the deleted post in question was not in the guidelines then why is my post still up? My post has the same opinion and takes the same tone as the deleted post. Some admins do abuse powers. My husband was kicked out of chat the other night while I sat beside him. He did not say anything that was bad. He kept receiving warnings then was unable to logon, neither was I. He sent an email to Admin and was back on the next day. I would like to say some admins don't abuse power but this one boasted about kicking him off and eliminating lower numbered authors. Also, the deleted authors opinion of what an airhead is might be differnt than your opinion of an airhead. Although I think the term "airhead" is G rated. If airhead was the most offensive thing in that post, then why wasn't the word "airhead" just deleted??? We're not judging here, we just don't understand why strangers are giving out hugs...  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:03:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    PL, Even if you never plan on meeting anyone here there are real people (strangers) behind these computers. Thanks for clarifying that you write *hugs* to irritate. Helps me prove my point.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:08:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    Yeah Hawk. But I did not START out doing it for that reason, and i don't do it to cover up smart replies to anybody's post either....But I will stop giving them to you, since I see they do bother you so much. Kind of just got in the habit of doing it to, Cause I ALMOST did it again right after that last sentence. :P  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:15:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    PL, it doesn't really bother me. It's just that I don't think "all" the *hugs* from people here are genuine. I like gold, not shiny yellow metal. If something is not genuine I don't want it.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    Also hawk. I don't ALWAYS do it to irritate. And IF I leave a hug on someones post and it does bother them as much as it seems to do you. All they have to do is PM me and ask me to stop and I WILL!  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:17:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    53659, If you need *hugs* to feel good it's good they help you out. But, wouldn't you feel even better if they were meaningful. Seeing them all over from the same people just doesn't give them much meaning...does it?  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    OK. I made that last reply before I saw yours there. I am a soooow typer. LOL...I understand what you mean now. And on that note I am going to say Goodnight, cause it's after 2 am here and I have a long day at work today.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    SLOW typer. Sheesh! Goodnight.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:21:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Miss C, I am all for getting rid of posts dissing the site. However, dissing the fact that people make them feel unaccepted because they do not *hug* is really a differnt case. The person feels that their comments are unacceptable if they do not leave a *hug*. I never read that in the faq's. I don't like whiny I'm leaving posts either, but lets face it. This website is very touchy feely in certain areas. Some people like truth and honesty. Just because we're on the net does not mean we have to be fake. Maybe some people just do it to get by or to help others get by. Whatever the reason, I can still understand Scrabble's point of view.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:24:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    LOL@Base! No, the unibomber got caught. I'm sure Ali would be smart enough to come up with a better plan to rid the internet of fascism! LOL!  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    Darn it. i had to keep reading! Who said somebodys comments aren't acceptable if they don't leave a hug etc? I've never seen anybody say that.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:26:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Jellie, if people who don't like fake *hugs* on the net were beaten as children, I guess my assumption is true that people giving *hugs* weren't loved and hugged enough as babies.
  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:27:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    PL, that was what Scrabble wrote in his deleted post. Maybe not those exact words but basicly what he said.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:27:00 PM  From Authorid: 32070    OK. i reread the comment. I misunderstood. told ya it was late. :P..Sorry, about that.  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:28:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    lol, that's okay, PL. I'm trying to get off to bed too, but I keep reading and responding to everyone on here...  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:30:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Predictor, it's not that I'm saying people are too nice. All of the *hugs* are not genuine. Would you tell your girl/guy that you loved him/her if you didn't? Would you run up and hug a stranger after you asked them what time it was and they told you the right answer?  
Date: 5/14/2002 11:32:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Base, I think it would be acceptable and within the guidelines if you told us where you had been as long as you throw a *hug* at the end.  
Date: 5/15/2002 12:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 16950    Thanks for pointing me to this post, Hawk! I like how it deals with those who are naturally & sincerely fluffy, like myself (as you already have read in my post LOL), & those who seem to overly sugar coat. I like that you mention how if we need to fluff then do it because we mean it. The only problem I had with that post that deleted was, to me, it sounded like the author was saying that EVERYONE who says love, hugs, etc. is a phoney baloney & that got to me because that isn't true. Anyway thanks for once again giving us all something to think about. I like posts that make me think even after I log off. Take good care of yourself & Bless you! Love & hugs,  
Date: 5/15/2002 12:24:00 AM  From Authorid: 16950    LMBO @ Angel Fire. I am now picturing myself walking up to someone & saying huge huggle & how they would look at me after I said it. LOL! I wouldn't say it, but I would give them one if they wanted one. I know that when I say *hugs* I mean it as an action not only as words. Take good care & Bless you! Love & hugs,  
Date: 5/15/2002 12:33:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 277    Frisky, the author probably thought everyone was fake because the fake people ruin it for the real people.  
Date: 5/15/2002 12:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 16950    Yeah that could be the case, Hawk. Ya never know. I still don't get how he felt like he had to fluff in order to be accepted? But that may be because I am one of those natural fluffy foo foos, or whatever ya wanna call us, LOL. Love & hugs,  
Date: 5/15/2002 12:49:00 AM  From Authorid: 16950    Oh yeah I also wanted to say that I am really sorry he didn't feel accepted. I for one always thought he was really cool! Fluff or no fluff! Okay with that said I am off to have fluffy dreams. LOL Love & hugs,  
Date: 5/15/2002 5:40:00 AM  From Authorid: 27414    I agree with you and are the USM Secret Police knocking on your door yet? LOL!  
Date: 5/15/2002 6:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 32070    BTW Hawk. I do have a real life nephew on here. So, it wouldn't be that hard to find out if I am the same on the computer as I am IRL, and I do have a bit of a sarcastic sense of humor also, and I'm sure it is taking the wrong way lots of times. :P I do wanna Thank you for this eyeopening post though. Cause I like I said I really was getting tired of putting hugs at the end of ALL my replies, and while I'm sure I will still leave them for my friends most of the time. I'm also sure, that I will slip and leave them for others. As I stated earlier. It kind of got to be a HABIT! lol.. Now, I better get my rearend off to work.  
Date: 5/15/2002 4:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 9130    I missed it! who posted it?  
Date: 5/15/2002 4:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 9130    After reading the comments, all i have to say is once again i agree with Ali--  

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