Date: 4/17/2002 7:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 19482
I think that's horrible!! It ain't fair for the kids, how would the PARENTs like it if their BOSS was doing that?? It is DEFINETLY an invasion of privacy!!!!  |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
If parents are so concerned that their kids are talking to bad people on the internet why allow themm to go on by themselves at all?  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 24732
Some jobs do have the boss look at what the employee is viewing on the net. A guy at my dads work got fired for repeatedy looking at porn. |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 47983
I really don't think a child would come out and admit that he/she was talking with a person about a subject.. If the child is trusted then I think that if a parent does that, then it's an invasion of privacy. If there is an irresponsible child involved, then yes, I think the parent should, so that no personal information is given and the child is safe.....~*Jeset*~  |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
Any child of mine living in my house under the age of 18 has no privacy when they are on the internet.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 11341
For once I agree with Hawk lol.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
I also agree with Hawk on this one   |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 51960
i think thats an invasion of privacy defineately. there are other ways to find out. |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
Definately an invasion. What if the person was having a very personal conversation, say, with thier g/f or b/f? What right does the parent have to be privy to the details of that conversation? None. I know my best friend wouldn't be happy, he has to use the net to stay in contact with his g/f, and they talk about personal stuff, he'd be furious with his parents if they did something like that.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:39:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 11348
I can see both sides of this because ultimately you do want your kid to be safe but I kind of agree with alien.... maybe if they would just not allow the kid to go on alone at all? That'd be better than observing personal converations without the kid's consent. Thanks for all your replies guys.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
how about informing them of the presence of the software... that way they can carry on "personal" conversations elsewhere... parents have EVERY right to know the details of their child's life... especially since WE are the ones held accountable when they mess up and WE are the ones that are expected to clean up the mess created. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
Where else should they carry on thier personal convo's Mercury? |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 11341
Mercury, I tell my kids now that we can and will watch what ever they do on my pc. My oldest is 8 so by the time I have to really worry about this either he will have a great head on his sholders or be smart enough to get around it. Im thinking the latter lol. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 11341
BTW its kind of a rule in my house, that if you have to hide what your doing, you dont need to be doing it. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
how about on the telephone... or in a LETTER... (ya know those things that you get in snail mail)... face-to-face... there are many other options... I think the main point to all of this "spying" though is to keep our kids SAFE.. you never know who's on the other end of a conversation on-line... even if you think you do... |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 11348
Mercury, informing them it's there would be a good thing. Then it's their own fault if they write personal things and those things get read since they had knowledge of the software. That's a good point. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
and before you tell me... "They live 500 miles from each other, yada, yada..." I carried on a long distance relationship before the internet existed... it CAN be done |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
we have that same kind of rule DMK... but mine is only interested in barbie.com (so far!) |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
KK... I, personally, would have a problem with someone monitoring my actions without my knowledge... I think being informed is a strong point in this debate |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
Well, I can beat 500 miles for ya, he lives in Yorkshire, the UK, she lives in Colerado, US. They NEED the net to stay in contact, cos its too expensive to phone, and snail mail is not a conversation. |
Date: 4/17/2002 8:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
If i found out this was happening on my computer, i would be so mad like you wouldnt believe. My conversations are MY businesss and no one elses. If my parents don't trust me, then heck i'd want them to say it to my face... and not sneak around doing it.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
Exactly, well said DW. |
Date: 4/17/2002 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
I've done checks over our network of computers for any software like this and have found none.. i dont think they are completely undetectable.. Parents DO need to access it! and some kids are smart enough to go looking for it .. and disable it. Because let me tell you.. i would do it.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
Thankies ya, 39360!!! *hugs*  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 11348
I totally agree also DW. I definitely would not want someone monitoring my personal conversations. Nothing would make me more upset. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
DW.. that's why I said to let them know that it's there... any conversation that you don't want "monitored" needs to take place elsewhere... I can't beleive that you guys leave paper trails of info that you wouldn't want your parents to see... I learned THAT one very young... NEVER PUT IT IN WRITING!!! It will get you busted eventually |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
Wehn its the only way you have to talk, then you have to. I thikn DW will know what I'm talking about, as the friend I'm talking about is Tandris, he's seeing SotD. They have to use the net to keep talking to each other. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
WEll, I gotta go, but I'll be back!! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
you keep saying it's the ONLY way... it's NOT... it's the PREFERRED way |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
Merc.. i can understand that. But i just dont see how parents can sit there and read through their childs conversations. Why cant you inform them of the dangers of the internet and ask them to not give out any details like name, address and number? If you dont trust them to comply with that request, why not just delete all their IM programs? |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
I use yahoo! to talk to a very close friend of mine. When we're not on yahoo, we are on the phone.. i would be so mad if my parents were reading my conversations. Its my business and my business alone. If they want to know what we talk about, they can ask me! and whatever details i feel comfortable in telling them, i will let them know. Unless otherwise i want to to be between myself and my friend, and ONLY myself and my friend. Simple! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
first off... as a parent... I wouldn't do this without GOOD cause 2nd: there are many more ways to figure out who you are and where to find you than by just giving out a name, address and/or phone number... little details about your life in general can give enough information for someone to track you down and do serious harm. 3rd: you are a minor; you have no rights...not in my house anyway! 4th: I guess I don't have a #4 right now... but give me time! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
Having your phone number and address in the local phone book is more dangerous than giving someone your name on the internet... think about it.. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
Merc, i think its wonderful that you care about your kids *hugs* |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
and what about the spouse who is addicted to porn or carrying on with someone on-line... doesn't the injured party have the RIGHT to know about it? What about the employee that sits and collects fat paychecks from an employer while not completeing his/her work because their time is being used on the net? Doesn't that employer have the right to know that someone is essentially STEALING from them? I think so.... |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
yo do have a point about the local directory, though! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
and Thanx... I do care... just like any other parent that would feel a need to resort to such a thing. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
I am totally against porn.. in regards to that, i hope everyone who looks at porn is caught.. ugh. I just dont agree with conversations being monitored. Isnt there something that can detect when porn has been viewed?? i still have a major problem with people reading my conversations! grr! LOL but parents looking out for porn.. then thats absolutely fine by me. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
See, it's more than just trying to evesdrop on private conversations. I would have a BIG problem with it, too, if I weren't informed of the software's presence... and then I would step lightly and not put anything questionable in writing |
Date: 4/17/2002 9:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
for those who are say under 18 yeah....fine with me to monitor...but if I found out now that my parents had *I know their not LOL neither have access to my puter* were doing such things I'd literrally flip out. No it's NOT that I'm doing anything bad it's just showing to me ok....my parents don't trust me...WHY?!?! I have given them NO reason for them NOT to trust me...if they wanna know what I'm doing ASK don't spy...that just breaks trust on BOTH sides...  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 7952
i totally agree with Becky!!!!! |
Date: 4/17/2002 10:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 35629
Sorry but if my child is acting suspicous and is on the net more and more and will not answer questions reasonably then yes i woould use it.Tell the mother that was on oprh today who's 14 year old daughter was lured to greece by a 31 yr old man that it is a bad idea.Or the friend whos best bud was lured off and raped.These people not all on the net are sneaky and lure children in by any means possible and parents need an edge.Now that is not to say that when a chid is acting the same as usual and not showing signs that something is up that you can still jump in and spy i feel that is wrong.But it would be nice to have if something happens or the mood of your child changes.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 10:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
Becky... what about parents that DO ask, but don't get any answers? or are blatently lied to? What about the child that has already violated trust in many ways? I know you're a good kid and would never do anything against your parents wishes (heehee... yeah, Right! LOL) but what about those that live to create havoc and have shown themselves to NOT be trustworthy? Those parents have no other choice but to SPY... So there's a lesson in here for the "kids"... make your parents feel that you are including them in your life and they, most likely, won't feel a need to invade your privacy |
Date: 4/18/2002 12:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 15070
I am glad to know such technology exists. I do agree with Ms.Hawk on this one. Now, I understand there are teens that are going to cry "foul"!.But before you do, sometimes, as parents we need to save you from yourselves. Not because we are control freaks, but because we love you.And it is a dangerous world out there.It is not to restrict our teens, but to guide them. That is my opinion.  |
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Date: 8/10/2002 8:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
*Stands by her previous comment* LOL |
