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Date: 4/17/2002 5:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 42539
lol now this one i will back !!!!!  |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Hi, Child of Kali!!!!I will be here.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
I don't blame ya but unfortunalty I can't see one coming. The christian church is full of bigots that try to hurt anything that is different from them. Keep to your beliefs and stay strong my friend.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 50530
I owe an apologize to all wiccan,for thinking that they were witches from hell,for that I apologize,but I will never apologize to a satanist. -Anonymouse-  |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
Christians are also accused of doing things that aren't true, don't forget.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 49789
well, i don`t think that they should "appologize", because the people who did these things are probably dead by now anyway lol. but at least they could learn to accept us and our beliefs to make up for all the pain caused to pagans and wiccans because of the same people who nailed the belief into them that we`re bad because we`re different. to push away those stereotypes would be appology enough, i say.  CinnamonRain  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
Woah Kurtvedder - think about what you're saying. |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
I dont know, should those that have bashed Christians for years also apologise to them for the wrongs that have been passed onto them?? I am a Christian and I have been made fun of time and time again for blindly putting my faith in a "mythical" character from a "made up" book..should I ask for an apology? No I dont think so...I dont expect OR need one..We are all entitled to our beliefs and our own religions...xoxo  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Kurtvedder just proved my point..Thank You!! LOL..xoxo |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 51393
i agree with you they really need to understand  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 42539
btw i am a pagan witch not a wiccan but i love this post |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 42539
Kurtvedder i have to agree with you but it is really not there fault is was pounded into them |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
I'm not saying that all christans are bigots but there a lot of christian leaders in the past have been quick to condemn anything that isn't considered "christian". |
| Date: 4/17/2002 5:32:00 PM From Authorid: 51174 I think that they should apoligise and wellthe chritians arent that good talking about molesting children..One cardianl was accused of molesting and he admitted it...I am witch and have a six sense I respect nature in all its forms...and I respect all people in the choices they make as long they dont harm none. I hope your voice will be heard on what you commented...VERY goood Post! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:32:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Anonymouse- thank you.To those who say "christians get blamed for things...." I don't really recall "Witches" burning "Christians" at the stake. Or more close to home, the big satanic scare was only 20 years ago.Not long enough for the participants to die, except maybe the children who commited sucide, or the parents who prematurely aged & had heart attacks. |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 15675
It would be nice for an apology for that and for repressing us for thousands of years.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 42539
you know the whole witches=evil=hell thing some will never let go of it |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
That's what I thought you meant...just could of been put a little better. Christians aren't perfect either...there have been a lot of "bad" ones in the past. |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Good debate! And I would contribute my beliefs on this, but it would be like whispering into the wind LSG...its all whispering into the wind...  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
Lady Luck there is no offense meant here. But you have to admit that the christian church (notice I say church not followers) is quick to condemn homosexuals, abortion, pagan religions etc. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
"...and forgive US our trespasses...as WE forgive those, who trespass against us..." |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 42539
with christian leaders like Jerry Farwell things will not change for a long time |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
KurtVedder, thank you for your imput.Hate, especially under the guise of religion is the real evil here.Child of Kali, I am really trying. I am really hoping that I can reach even ONE person, and help them get through the Witches=hell=devil mind-poison.I do not want to "covert" anyone.I never would. This is our spiritual walk with our Creator.But, think people,think! And yes, and apology is forthcoming. To everyone who ever bought a "book" claiming this really happened, to everyone who didn't speak up for the accused. Yes, apologies should be forthcoming! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 42539
no LSG thats not are way is it to convert |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you Agent Smith.*sigh* Maybe it would be whispering into the wind.But someone, with the right ears, just might hear.Glad to see you here Agent Smith, hang around a while, will you? |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 38171
Right on!! I agree fully! It's not fair to have us catagorized as evil when they don't even know us. *HUGS*  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Child of Kali, that is true. I have met "religious Witches" meaning they have a strong faith system. I have never,EVER, met a Witch who has attempted to "convert" anyone. Maybe enlighten that we are not "evil", but NOT convert. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 42539
i spent 30 mins on the phone today with a preacher that dailed the wrong number . he was asking me over and overdo i go to church do i have the lord in my life ( in which i said yes and the lady too!) i had to hang up on him !!! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 45630
I've never met a wiccan converter either. It's not like they come up to your house and say "we are wiccan and we'd like to spread the word. Can we come into your house and eat all your biscuits and drink all your tea". |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 48525
Touchee!! Bravo!! And a hearty YEEHAW! to that! No one thinks twice to malign us, yet they DO have a problem if they think, even in a round-about fashion anyone is dishing out the same treatment to them, they cry foul. With all the persecution that ALL FAITHS have had to endure, you wuold think they'd just leave eachouther be, but thats not how it goes. I don't think it should be appologies, but rather just quitting with the "Evil, Satanic" crap would be good enough for me. Great post!! ~Roaryblue  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you ~RoaryBlue! I really felt this needed to be said. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
That would be good KurtVedder...would give me a whole new bunch of push-bikes to pinch when they go inside someones house |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Ever seen a pendulum swinging LSG? Ever noticed how each swing reaches the extreme of one side...then swings back to the other side...then back again...then back again. From one extreme to the other. Though each swing decreases slightly...and it decreases...and decreases...and decreases. Until finally it stops swinging...and settles...stabalised...at its equalibrium point. Society and social discourse is much like that...it swings and changes on its way to the equalibrium point...but it DOES reach that point...over time. The trick is to hang on tight and survive the ride |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
One more point about the "wrongs" done to christians. A 16-year old girl was suspended from school for refusing to remove her Pentacle necklace. A three day suspension & a mark in her school record! But, if you wear a cross to school, who it be forcibly removed....? The Principal was an "admitted Christian" & said the symbol promoted "evil" & "anarchy". |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
You, know.....that is an image. A bunch of USM'ers, putting on our sacred robes, going door-to-door, asking "If you died today,would you be shocked there is no hell & we are all going to the same place?".There's a visual! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you again, Agent Smith. A very good point. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
I would apologize myself, though I've never thought of Wiccans or Pagans as evil. Most Christians just aren't educated enough...and thats sad, but no ones perfect - just keep doing what you're doing, and don't even think about them. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
QueenCrazyKaja- Your Right! They do owe us an apology for keeping us in the "broom closet" for fear of our lives & jobs in jepourdy! |
Date: 4/17/2002 5:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 7830
Well at this point the christian and catholic churches are due to give plenty of people apologies! Thatd be a good day when it happened!  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 5:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Bethann, thank you, Honey. I know not all "christians" feel this way. I just wish more of the general christian public would speak up & tell the hate-mongers, your wrong!But, you, as an individual help to renew my faith in human nature. Thank you! |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 38256
I'm not apoligizing to anyone that I didn't directly do any wrongs to. Sometimes i think all this political correctness is crazy. ~E-cutie86  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Remember, anyone who is not part of the solution, is part of the problem.Hate is NOT a family value.Neither should it be a church teaching. |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
Have you read King Caspian's Post? It's right below somewhere. He has some amazing facts about Christians. You know, this site was peaceful while these types of accusations were away. I personally do not wish to see the garbage started again.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
Maybe this willl help. http://myusm.com/usm240631.html |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
to those who wish to reply here.....ignore the above comments. Someone is trying to change the subject.*step aside, nothing to see here* |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 42568
Yeah I agree. Thank you, that was nice of you to say =) |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
I am sure this one will get me nailed, but so be it. I am one of those christians you talk about and we didn't just conceive of these ideas all by ourslves...we are governed by what is clearly written in God's word, i.e., " Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omen, engages in WITCHCRAFT or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist's or who consults the dead". Duet 18:10-11. But we are also taught NOT to judge and I have never judge anyone based on what they choose to believe...it is theri freedom. The bible also says hate the sin, not the sinner. I don't owe anyone an apology for what some judgemental christian may have done in the past, I only have to answer for myself. I always look to the heart of the person to see who they really are. As far as wiccans not trying to convert anyone, I have to disagree. I have a friend that is a wiccan..Yes, me! And she constantly tries to convert me. Which she cant do, any more than I could convert her..it doesn't mean that I dont or wont try..it is what I am compelled to do by God the Father. Huggs,  |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 51901
But non-Christians are very critical of Christians. More Christians in all of history have been martyred than non-Christians for their beliefs.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Christians are accused of doing things that are not true. Like the burning at the stakes, Christians were the ones that were being killed, or atleast, most of them were Christians preaching Jesus. That is why they were killed. It was the rebels that killed the Christians, because they did not want the Christians running this country, even today if it were possible. We were the victims, but we are accused of the killings while in Fact we were the ones being killed. The secular liberal school books acused the Christians for many things that we did not do, in many cases we were actually the victims.  |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 24845
No, I don't think so, there is such a wide variety of Christians, not all of them believe that witches and such are satanists. I don't, and I'm a christian, I'm not apoligizing for anything. Not that anyway. I see things as black or white. Right or Wrong. I know evil I've seen it first hand. I know that satanists worship the devil, as far as I know anyway, and if there is another description to it, then why is it called "satan"ism. The devil is meant to misconstrue, manipulate and twist things around until your confused or feel cheated. That's what the devil does. He isn't always a roaring lion walking down the street. He can be you or me and look as innocent as a lamb. My belief is to keep being nice to anyone and everyone that I meet and not be turned off the path that God has put me on. So no I won't apoligize for anything like that.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Listen guys, I am gonna go help my son with his homework. Be back soon!!!! |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Doesn't sound totally Wiccan to me then Pammie.  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
How did I know that You'd say that again Drk? Just like in every post where the Burning Times are mentioned? It was NOT christians being burnt by others, altough I admit that it is possible that some christians were also falsely accused of devil worship by their FELLOWS. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
I beg to differ on the wiccans not trying to convert..I had a member of THIS site a few months back literally BEGGING me to check out some sites and to at least LOOK at the wiccan religion..even after me telling him several times no thank you..then he kept sending me links to sites..I told him I was not interested..and he said I could be a wiccan if I opened my heart to it..My heart IS open..its open to the word of God! xoxo |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Regarding if you directly worship satan or not, witchcraft any witchcraft is a sin. The are those who do worship satan that also practice witchcraft. We just say it like it is. calling it a sin is NOT hatred. If you don't have Jesus Christ as savior, you will go to hell. Regardless if you were a witch or not. I am not going to apologize for preaching the truth. I preach the Bible, nowhere does it say to apologize for offending someone while preaching the truth. It is not us that offends, it is the truth. I preach against Witchcraft because it is against the Bible. Being a with itself does not send people to hell, it is not trusting in Christ as savior, that is what sends people to hell. Sin is Sin, but sin alone cannot and will not send people to hell, regardless of the sin you commited, you will not go to hell because of that sin, here is why, we are all sinners, and if sin does sends us to hell, we all would be going there. But it is rejecting Jesus Christ as savior, that is what sends people to hell. You do not go to heaven for being good, you go to heaven for trusting in Christ as savior. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
TANDRIS- Thank you!!!!!!!!!PammyRose, maybe that ONE person calling herself a Wiccan is trying to convert you. Maybe she is simply trying to enlighten you.But we do not "recrute" others.It is not in our nature. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
;-) Any time LSG. So, Drk, if you can preach the Bible to us, why can we not preach our ways to you? |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
LadyLuck, maybe she just wanted you to understand.DrkPtrs- your "facts" are in error.I still think you are quoting from the "Jack Chick" tracts.Do you understand, the biggest surprise for you may be after you leave this world discovering we all DO go to the same place & that there may be a Beautiful Goddess (As I believe) who will call you "son" & greet you, even though you denied Her? |
Date: 4/17/2002 6:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 16989
there are more than one kind of witches, Wiccans, and of the darkened order, I have only downed the darkened order, they call themselves witches, so your label, is basically what you are, because there is nothing behind words the the DO worship Satan, I have never downed anyone for being a wiccan  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 16989
(Hey LSG, havn't seen you for a while, how's it been?) |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
My sources are Bob Jones University,www.bju.edu , Focus on the Family, Family.org. Chick publishing www.chick.com Have articles on this. The Left winged, secular, liberal press is trying everything, to make Christians to be the bad guys. Most of these Secular, Left-winged, Liberal text books, are mostly lies. There is really no truth in what these Secular, Left-Winged Liberals teach our kids. A good book to read is Foxes book of Martyrs, read it with an open mind. Christians were the victims. It was not the witches that killed Christians, no I gues some of them may be, it was the rebel groups that were killing Christians. These Rebel groups did everything that Christians did not want to anyone to do. Like the Native Americans for example, these Left-winged Liberal secular books, blamed Christians for killing the Indians, when in fact, the Church was protesting it. The Christians wanted to let the Indians stay in there land, agian these rebel groups, wanted to kill them off, and do you know what these rebel groups told the Christians, Mind your own bussiness, exactly what Liberals are telling Christians today. In fact the CHURCH, protested the Burning of the stakes. Of coarse they will, they were the ones being burned. BUT still they protested it. The rebel groups went against them. I gave you my sources, now you give me your sources. Now IT must be either a Conservative(not nessceary a Christian source), or a netrual source. If it is a left winged, Liberal source, then I WILL NOT EVEN LOOK AT IT. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Sure I would like for you to preach to us, if you think your religion is right, then Why don't you preach yours to people. I admire the Jehovah's Witnesses(I disagree with almost everything they belive) But still I admire them for knocking on doors and stuff like that. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Glad to see you're showing such an open mind Drk. Now, just a little more open to tohers views and we might actually stand chance of just pushing a grain of sand through there. Come on, Why should we look at your sources if you blatanly refuse to look at ours if they are liberal? |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Tandris I can only go by what she tells me and she professes to be wiccan 100%. Sh says that she is a solitary witch whatever that means. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Because we don't want to antagonise people, nor do we fell the need to reassure ourselves that we believe in our religion by constantly telling people that its the only right way. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
I don't agree with everything that Jack Chick preaches, but other sources too, as well state what I am saying. Now tell me where you are getting your information, but It has to be a conservation source(not nessary a Christian Soucre, many Christian Sources are Conservative, but not all Conservative Sources are Christian), or it could be a netrual source. BUT if it is a liberal source,I WILL NOT EVEN LOOK AT IT. Also a good source is Rush Limbauh and Mike Gahlager(sp) they speak on this too. None of the two claim to be Christians, but they have good points too. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Ah, I see Pammie. Hmm, well I'm a solitary too, so are most of my friends who are Wiccan, and most teachings of the Wiccan faith will actually tell you to keep your ways secret rather than evangelising, to avoid the very predjudices that are so often displayed towards us. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Because Liberals will twist the imformation, I will Look at Netrual sources, neither liberal and conservative. There are such organizations out there, FOX news is one that is neither Liberal or Conservative, and the USA Today is another. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
We preach because we are commanded by God to do so, someone here said it themselves, that if you believe your god is telling you something, do it. Well my God is telling me to preach Jesus to everyone, so I will obey. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Remember, anyone who is not part of the solution, is part of the problem.Hate is NOT a family value.Neither should it be a church teaching. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT. The Church does NOT teach hate, it is NOT hateful to teach the truth. LET me say this, most of you people, have MORE Hate toward Christians, than we Christians have against non-christians. DON'T even say this is not true, becuase it is true. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Tandris, I would never dream of bashing anyone and I appreciate your kidness and how you quietly answer what I have said. I think bashing of any kind is so very wrong. God has given us all free will to think and believe what we feel is best for ourselves. I don't really understand why your told to hide what you believe though, can you help me understand that point? huggs, |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Guys who are anything but Christians, if you think your religion is right, then why don't you try to convert. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 6:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Thankyou very much for that Pammie, I do try to be kind to everyone, even those who are trying to "save" me from myself. Well, a lot of it is based in tradition, back from the times when we were widely persecuted for our beliefs, so it was far safer to keep it secret and not to tell anyone, in case that information was used against both you and your coven. As for nowadays, well, I'm afraid that not everyone is like you, willing to give people a chance to show who they are rather than prejudging them. There are still a very large number of people who would show predjudice against us, just for saying that we were Wiccan, so its far safer for us to keep it hidden from all but those we trust the most. I hope that helps, but if you still have questions, ask away. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Tandris once again thank you. I don't have to believe in what you do, to see that you have a good and kind heart. And I would never persecute you. I would simply say I love you and God loves you. Huggs, |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Everyone heard about Judge Roy Moore, he had a plague of the Ten Commandments up, everyone fought including the ACLU, fought to get him to take down the ten commandments. Here are som of the facts that the Left-Winged Liberal Secular Media did NOT say, the plague was only the size of an average dinner plate, too small for most people to even see. Most of the people that work in that same court room, DID not even notice that he had the ten commandments up there, until this story broke out. Even if you sit on the Witness Stand, you still would not be able to read what it says. But the same courthouse, the court room next door, a judge who had all kinds of symbols of witchcraft, including an ouija board, talsman etc, and other symbols of witchcraft. BUT no one complained about that. Why is that. Why is one religion allowed to display religion but others are not. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
No, I don't think you would Pammie. I'm not saying everyone, or anyone in specific would, but there are those who would see us hurt and hunted. You seem to be a very kind and understanding person yourself. I thank you for your love, and that of your God. May the Lady's light go with you, and may you always be happy. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Christians have being persecuted far WORSE than witches will ever be persecuted, even today Christians are being persecuted, it is worse than any other group. The Liberal Secular Left Winged Media, never gives any attention to the persecution that christians go throw, and will even lie to say that Christians are doing it. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Thank you Tandris and peace be with you. Hugs, |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
And with you too Pammie. :-) |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
You people have more Hatred toward Christians, than we Christians have against non-christians. They have more intolerance toward Christians than we Christians have toward non-christians. People who claim to have tolerance toward all people and love toward all people, and push people to be tolerant, in reality have more intolerance towards Christians than we have against non-chriistians. A good example is Rosie O'Donald. She is a good example of what I am talking about. |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 51070
Witches and Wiccans are the same thing, dearie. But I have to agree with you on the subject. I am studying on the Wiccan religion and have taken a big interest in it. One day, in the near future, I hope to be accepted and considered Wiccan. You're right. How can we believe and worship Satan if we don't believe him??? Hate to be offensive, but a lot of religion is hypcritical. Religion causes quite a bit of problems...  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 16989
right now, I am just going to concentrate on my own enlightenment, sorry for that reply, I have made a few friends with those people... just got to focus on myself, then I can get out, ya know? |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
Thank you Tandris, and Pammie, my sis. I love seeing people get along like that with this subject. It's so much better than the way it used to be here. People antagonizing everyone to take sides. (((Hugs))) and love to you both, |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
Well, I see that there are some people who need converting to the Wiccan path in here ;-) Hiya Tandris, glad to see you. Whats going on?  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Well thankyou to you Thunderhead. I don't see the need to fight, I have my beliefs, you have yours. Let me follow my path, and you'll have no trouble from me. I'll offer up answers to questions, but I won't push my religion onto you, I know its not for everyone. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Hiya Talyn. Hehe, yes :-p Well, I think its pretty clear whats going on. Don't get too riled bro. I think everyone is getting on ok, so far. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Briefly, but she's got school, so she's offline now. Yeah, she would. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 39360
Ok, I'll try. How's your lady-love? Has she been on? I know she's want to see this |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Hey lil sister...love ya back bunches!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 51393
Hi! every one ,may i join in? |
Date: 4/17/2002 7:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Of course you can Diastar, it's not my post, but I am ssuming it is open to all  |
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Date: 4/17/2002 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
I would have thought so Pammie! ;-) |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Sorry, Guys, I am back! I was helping my son with his homework.I see TANDRIS & PammyRose had a lovely talk. True communication without finger pointing, or malice.PammyRose, I am a "solitary" because I do not belong to a Coven.Even if I did, I probably wouldn't say so, unless directly asked. It is not a matter of keeping things hidden, so much as some things are confidential & sacred. For example, once my Circle is drawn & I have done my opening ceremony, what happens, the words I say, are between myself & The Goddess & God.The "tools" I use are sacred to me.Therefore, they are not for display.Not unlike "Christian" tools. They are used for focus, not unlike a cross to a Christian.I am Eclectic, which means I borrow from many traditions.It also means my training is not as rigid as it would be in a Coven. I hope that helps you to understand a little. I see Thunderhead decided to visit again, with references to "the fighting in the past". These are little digs, so simply ignore them, as I plan to do. I have no respect for a Christian who speaks from BOTH sides of his, or hers mouth(s).DrkPtRs.....I think if you want the whole story, you must read more than the biased, yes biased, writings of one mindset.HUMA!!!Hey, honey, glad to see you! Hope to catch you around. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Disaster Cellar, of course you may join us!!!!Please do!!!! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 51393
thank you pammie Rose I just want to share my thoughts about this.As,i read thorough everyones comment it caught my eye regarding a satanic sense of wiccan or witch i maybe expressing this wrong,but i believe there are so much of us around the world who exist in satanic world and yet since this world is newer to exist kind ,friendly helpful witch are here and somehow understanding this gifts are quite irresistable to anyone mainly we all believe in one God alone. when i commented of good deeds that is ussualy the reason why we are actually here now to assist anyone in need .Of course there is only one who is most powerful of them all and that is our God the highest.Our heart and soul is what had looked through from the highest unselfishness and productivity in life itself gives the importance of a gifts that we received.i dont want to cover up the whole wall i will continue ,as i go along |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 51393
Thank You Lady Spirit Guide |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
I would have thought so Pammie! ;-) |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
Ok, sorry about the multiples, this computer is misbehaving! Hi LSG, welcome back again! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
LSG thank you for the additional information. As for Thunderhead and your comments regarding Her "digs". I dont know what went on in the past, but I think it is unkind of you to dig back....isn't it better to just forget what has passed? Regardless of all beliefs I still believe that if you cant say something nice, it's better to be silent. I would rather hurt myself than to intentionally hurt anyone else. Thunderhead is my sister and I know you didnt mean to be unkind to her or anyone else and I can say that if someone constantly bashed me for my beliefs (not meaning thunderhead), I would be the first to respond back and probably not very kindly....I am christian, but I am also human, herefore prone to human behavior. Did any of this make and sense at all> Huggs, |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
I am going to bed..I am tired and work tomorrow...night all..huggs, |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 41067
And on that note, I think I should get off too, its 4:40 am here! Later peoples. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
*hugs PammyRose*, Yes, it does make sense.I too am human, but I also need to set an example, especiallt for the younger USM'ers. Thank you for reminding me.See you around! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:45:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I mean "especially", I need to type with my glasses on. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Yo Drkptrs, I would like to take issue with what you said here: "Regarding if you directly worship satan or not, witchcraft any witchcraft is a sin". Any witchcraft is a sin?? I take it that is of course witchcraft according to YOUR definition. Sorry...but I don't believe that at all. Why? Because I know many people who utilise their God given gifts to aid others...to help them heal via therapeutic massage etc...people who flow the Glory of God through them (or their hands) and in doing so help their fellow man. And they do this to bring Glory to God...never once claiming that any power experienced is theirs, for they know only He can truly heal...they are merely operating as His hands etc. How can that be Evil? There are many many things that priests do, such as faith healing, that could well be termed 'witchcraft'...the only difference I guess is that a priest is doing it huh? Doesn't make sense at all sorry. Peace, |
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Date: 4/17/2002 8:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 51393
i completely agree with you Agent Smith |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you, Agent Smith. Very well spoken. I cannot tell you how many years I tried to "pray-away" natural gifts when I was a "christian" because I could not find scripture to back that "gift" up.I have had Minister's tell me such gifts were from the devil.Yet, they caused no harm & only helped.As long as people believe "Witches are bad", Witches will suffer. We do not own T.V. stations.We do not own Magazines. We still suffer from mis-information.I hope to change that, one person at a time. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
But I still feel an apology is forthcomming for the whole 80's "satanism"-scare. |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 21867
Yep...I know how that is...when I was growing up I prayed many times to 'free Satan' from me...as I saw spirits and helped 'cleansers' send these spirits on their way. Not realising I had a role to play...a role that helped bring Good. Instead I wanted it gone for I was constantly told how Evil it was...and so therefore how Evil I was. My mother could also be called a 'witch'...yet she is more loving, more 'Christ-like' than many supposedly Christian people I know. I often feel that some Church Leaders/Founders are so anti-witch because the 'witches' did something they couldn't do...be in touch with the flow of true Power that exists all around us...the flow of Gods power (or Goddess or whichever diety/s you believe in)...'witches' didn't feel the need to bow down and worship a man in a robe (priest) claiming he speaks for God and so demanding he be top-dog. Seems so much of it is just basic power struggle and...dare I say it...jealousy. Peace, |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Again, Agent Smith, I thank you. I stared seing spirits when I was about 4 years old.They did not scare me. I didn't become "afraid" of them till I was older & society & religious teachers "taught" me to be afraid. They said a spirits,ghosts,aliens,earth spirits, ect were actaully demons, trying to "keep my eyes off of God" & that by paying attention to them I was "serving satan".Now as an adult, I know better.Thank you again, for your story |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 51393
it is very true Agent Smith and i believe you are in the circle of our beliefs we are here to help and anyone in need. Lots Of Love To All Diana |
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Date: 4/17/2002 9:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 51393
I would like to say good night to everyone MAY GOD BLESS US ALL MAY WE HAVE SERENITY,HARMONY AND TRANQUILITY IN US MAY THE BIND OF LOVE IN ONE ANOTHER With Love To All Diana |
| Date: 4/17/2002 10:04:00 PM From Authorid: 52320 Hey, LSG great post....LOL......they still pulling that "you are me crap?"heeheehee....Yeah, I think there should be some serious apologies.Too bad there are none so blind as those who cannot see.Love Ya, TygerGirl |
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Date: 4/17/2002 10:09:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
LOL.....yep, TygerGirl, same ol', same ol' you know how that goes. Don't be such a stranger kid.Love You! |
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Date: 4/17/2002 10:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I'm going to bed, will check back later, o.k....? |
Date: 4/18/2002 1:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 30229
NO..  |
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Date: 4/18/2002 5:46:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Gail, why should there be no apology forthcoming? Witches,Wiccans,satanists were all lumped togather and accused of incredibly awful crimes against children, the most innocent among us all.First of all the accusations WERE NOT TRUE. Entire families were destroyed.Children torn from their families.Small children told their parents were "serving satan". I could go on. Bottom line, NEVER HAPPENED.And I feel, all of those who were lumped togather, and accused of such crimes, are owed an apology.I still see examples, here in this very post, of Witches/Wiccans/satanists all being tied togather.However, to give credit where credit is due, several Christian's have shown true love & Christian Charity by being supportive.For that, I am greatful |
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Date: 4/18/2002 5:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
We do not owe anybody any apology. |
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Date: 4/18/2002 5:49:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
DrkPtRs- I would expect no different from you.Which is sad.I am seeing more "christian"-type charity from the Pagan's, than the "christians". With the exception of the few Christian's brave enough to speak up. They are the ones that give me hope. |
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Date: 4/18/2002 11:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
What is next, we are blamed for what happen to the Indians, despite the fact that it was the Christians that protested against this, and the it was really rebel groups that hated Christians. We are being blamed for the Witches that were killed, in fact it was Christians that were killed, not witches, and it was not the Christians that were doing the killings but the rebel groups did this, and where the Christians DID protest against the burning at the stake. Now we are being blamed for the oppression and hatred that Gays are going through. What will we be blamed for next, maybe we Christians will be blamed for September 11th terrorists, who knows. Blaming Christians for everything shows that you have hatred toward Christians. Well I'll rephrase , and I will say this, you and people like you have more hatred toward Christians than we do against any non-christians. DON'T even try to say that is not true, because that is the truth, weather you want to admit it or not, you have more hatred than I do. |
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Date: 4/18/2002 12:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
LOL.....DrkPtRs- I have no hatred of the "Christian" faith. I have no hatred of the Christian people. I believe Jesus Christ was a wonderful man, who taught peace & tolerance at at time when it was politically incorrect & paid for it with his life.He was a wonderful Master Rabbi.The Bible is a beautiful book of stories.But I believe it is a book of stories only, a guide to better behavior.I see another example of "if you cannot DEBATE the issue at hand, attack the author". You have no clue what I feel, or what I think...LOL.......if I am "attacking" Christians when I post something that contradicts YOUR belief system (which doesn't even speak for the majority of Christians), than so be it.DrkPrTs, you need to expand your horizon.You are seeing through tunnelvision. That is my opinion, and opinions are subjective, at best. And, yes, the Native Americans DO deserve an apology, especially from the Whites who sold the Smallpox-laden blankets.~IMO~ |
Date: 4/18/2002 12:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 30477
Once AGAIN, I will not apologize for something I didn't do. *sigh* Where's Dizzy when we need her?  |
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Date: 4/18/2002 12:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
you know, it just occured to me, if others (Christians) know what I am thinking, or feeling (even if I don't know-as implied) does that make them PSYCHIC? And aren't Christian's not suppose to be psychic...?Wow.....that one will really rattle my noodle , if I think about it to much. |
Date: 4/18/2002 12:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 12835
OK, I cannot speak for all Christians, but as a Christian, if I had done any of the things to hurt anyone, I would certainly apologize. I may not agree with other Religions, but it is not my position to judge, not to cause harm to anyone of them. As a Christian, I would choose to love others and to learn more about them before making any decisions about what they follow or practice. Fear, especially of the unknown can lead to extreme hatred and harm to many people. It's understanding that can lead to peaceful coexistance. For an apology to really be worthwhile, however, it should come from the transgressors or the meaning would be worthless in my eyes. All that I can say, as a Christian, is that I hope this post brings about understanding as opposed to fueling a disagreement, and I hope that other Christians would do the same....  |
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Date: 4/18/2002 12:59:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Thank you, St.Pete. Yes, the true intention of this post was to point out a grevious wrong done to these poor families, and the intolerance that allowed it to happen. I was hoping as people communicated here, they would see, they are talking to real human beings,who simply believe differently than they do.I don't want to embarass you, but you are a very good, and very kind human being. Any, you have always shown the type of love, of whom Jesus Christ taught.You, Sir, are what a good Christian is/are? In my opinion.Thank you. |
Date: 4/18/2002 1:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
An apology from someone who didn't do it is meaningless. What are the "authorities" who allowed these atrocities to happen doing to rectify the situation? I would ask THEM for an apology ..... not start a "blame-game" or start pointing fingers at others who had nothing to do with any of it. Having said that, I am now going to attempt to read all of your replies   |
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Date: 4/18/2002 1:40:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Hi, Paranoid.It would be a start if all the "christians" who lump Witches/Wiccans/Satanists into one lump could apologize. Or those who tell little kids that they, or their families are "hellbound" for having a different belief system.That would be a start. |
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Date: 4/18/2002 2:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Oh, It never occured to me to say this until now, can you tell me where you got all of your information from, this scare, I never heard of it. Show me where you got your info. |
Date: 4/18/2002 2:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
No apology necessary imho... MORE TOLERANCE and ACCEPTANCE of our differences!!! How bout embracing our differences rather than condemning someone for thinking differently?  |
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Date: 4/18/2002 3:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
Jungabel- you are absolutely correct.DrkPtRs- check out all the past news reports on the "MacMartin-Molestation" case. That is one source. I saw Mike Warnke in 1987, when his "Alpha & Omagea" Ministry were involved in anti-occult crime(s). Mike Warnke claimed in his book 'THE SATAN SELLERS', that he was a satanic high priest & that satan was trying to take over the world. And that there was a worldwide conspiracy to help satan do so.Mike Warnke, when I saw him claimed "One-half of all child disappearances that are not parental kidnappings are satanists, working in connection with the pornographers".During the eightiest, respected Christian author, Hal Linsey, his siter-in-law, (I cannot remember her name, but I had her book) put out a book with a "satanic-slave-breeder".I could continue to give examples. Remember, I had Jack Chick's books,tracts,and comics.I read Mike Warnke.I saw many Minister's speak during the eighties. So, yeah, I guess that means I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. |
Date: 4/18/2002 4:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 19220
*snicks into room and plops on couch* I'm just here for the free popcorn...*I agree with Jungabel...Many Blessings  |
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Date: 4/18/2002 5:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
I should post a few of your posts and comments from the past and let everyone see whose behavior matches your words in your last comment LSG, and I'm sure even the TRUE Wiccan's would be aghast at your rich history here. But I won't. I have NEVER gotten into any disagreements with wiccans on behalf of Christianity here. In fact I have very rarely gotten into a disagreement in all teh time I've been here. The post you are referring to about the poor little wiccan I suposedly picked on makes you look bad and many have viewed it already. I simply see through the little false facade in this post, and I dislike when ANYONE antagonizes people of different beliefs to defend themselves or take sides. You have more than proven your hand at that. Ignore me? What makes you think you have the authority to ask people here to do that? I am staying clear of you and your posts from this moment on and I am sure the truth will all be revealed. God bless you in Jesus Christ's name. |
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Date: 4/18/2002 6:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
I hope you find whatever peace you are looking for Thunderhead. And, frankly, I would prefer you stay clear of my posts. You have been very unplesant since I came back. Anyone who has a problem with me, can address it with me. Frankly, I have had a rich reception, including from Radman & Ginger herself.I did not need to make you look bad on that post. You made yourself look bad. And there are many, many posts, including recient posts, where I have openly admitted being everything froma Mormon-Witch. That is my spiritual path.So, you know what? I will apologize for when I was a radical Christian, and I scared people by talking about hell & satan. I am sorry I was so drawn into the whole "real Christian" thing, that I felt I had to save other's souls.By finding my spiritual roots, I am saving my own soul. And helping other's by letting others be themselves. |
Date: 4/18/2002 6:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 43586
apologizing to groups is like apologizing to someone who you commited no crime to...at least in most cases  |
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Date: 4/18/2002 6:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
you do have a point-BTW, did everyone see the beautiful post PammieRose put in RELIGION>>? What an incredible woman! She has the most beautiful spirit.I think it's called "Christians & Wiccans", or something like that. What an angel! |
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Date: 4/18/2002 8:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 29928
Thank you LSG, but I don't take all the credit..when I post, I do it carefully and gauge my words thusly, depending on God to help and guide me in what I say, but thank you for the lovely compliment. Hugggs, |
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Date: 4/18/2002 8:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
Well... according to "Christianity" everyone else IS not saved. (with a few exceptions... read Romans 2:12-15) Would it be fair for us Christians to ask all others who believe differently to apologize to us for their disbelief and possible intolerance? Along with their acts of defiance or hatred toward our "group"? I don't think so! I haven't had time to read any other replies on this post, so pls forgive me if I am covering old ground. |
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Date: 4/19/2002 12:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 51393
Hi!every one i don't mean to bump in,but there is something that really bothers me which has nothing to do with wiccans and christians. If,you would all please avoid saying"GROUP"i i believe it is so inconciderate comment to think it is ok to say.like i said if you would please,we are not groups we need to unite are differences and let things be,if we cannot obviousely talked into what we believe in at least give each other a space. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS Love Diana |
Date: 4/19/2002 2:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 27028
i disagree with apologies, but if sopmeone give an apology thats there own action, to be honest i don't give a monkey's brain qabout this  |
Date: 4/20/2002 5:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 34814
Well after they all understand we are no satan worshippers which could take my lifetime. Then just Then maybe they will wake up. I don't think they can apologize when they truly have no idea why they are sorry and The Bible damns us somehow cause I have heard of Hell so many times. Good luck..Blessed Be. I think everyone should become one in love. Like Jesus taught Love not Burning time or 9-11.  |
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Date: 4/21/2002 5:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 48525
OK here's a thought that hasn't been posted yet... The similarities between MOST (if not all)religions and how they worship are enough to scare the beejeebers out of most folks. Think about this...Wiccans burn candles and insense to worship, but so do Catholics, Buddists, Muslims, etc.All faiths have sacred texts they follow, that basically teach the same principals.Faith has become a means to bash others over the head with if their beliefs are not the same as their own.Go back to the Crusades and look at those who killed people who were only guilty of different beliefs, people killed "In the name of God".If whatever your version of "God" is, wanted all those people dead, surely "God" could've done that without human participation, but instead, we get crusaders traveling half way around the world from their homes and families, to slaughter because "God told them to do it". "God" also said (for example, I'm using the Ten Commandments): "Thou shalt not kill".It's all a matter of how things are interperated. I'm reminded of the late, great Sam Kinison, who in his infinate wisdom asked in one of his stand-up acts while postulating on religion and what must Jesus be thinking while seeing what is going on here on earth: "Where did it say to build a water slide??? I never said to build an old folks home and use it as a tax write-off!! You jerks!" Who's to say that a millenia ago, while the stone tablets were being translated, that the translators didn't put their own spin on things?Lord (and Lady) knows it's sure a popular past-time today. Someone replied to this post, saying that they wouldn't even look at anything "liberal", because it is biased. Its no more biased than the conservative angle. But again, it's all perspective and how the individual sees things.SOME churches DO preach and teach hatred. Wiccans don't hate Christians, or Buddists or Muslims, for that matter. Wiccans are tired of being accused of "Evil-doing", or "Devil worshipping", just like Christians would be if the shoe were on the other foot.Wiccans don't go door to door like other faiths do partly because of the reaction we get, like this post, for example, where we're almost literally beat over the head with the Christian Bible.We also don't feel the need to "My faith is better than your faith" other people to death.The Bible is another good point...if it's THE WORD OF GOD, why are there so many versions of it? King James, Gideon, etc. MY guess is that the spin doctors got a hold of it and had to put in their two cents worth.~Roaryblue |
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Date: 4/21/2002 5:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
~RoaryBlue, your two cents' worth are welcome in my posts anytime (and not just because you usually agree with me....heehehee..) I really mean that. It seems hard for people to understand there genuinely is more than one belief system that feels NO need to convert others. That TRULY believes everyone finds their own way. Our Goddess/God (or Lady/Lord if you prefer) are truly like the image of a giant cut diamond. Every side reflects with it's own inner beauity. Our creator(s) are like the sides of that diamond.I truly believe it will be a big shock when others find out we might be going to the same place. Or at least "they" will not be looking down & watching "us" burn. Just a thought. Glad you came here. |
Date: 4/23/2002 7:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Roaryblue, out "acient" text, the Holy Bibe (I am Christian) is the only real one taking claim to be written by God through man. The korran is something a guy made up because he pictured a stronger God. The mormon bible was made by John Smith becuase he talked to a rock or something. All religions, except the new age and wiccan faith, have branched from the only true one, Christianity. They all have differant views on God. I don't think that the ancestors of those who burned people owe anyone anything. It wasn't me who enslaved africans, it wasn't me who burned witches, therefor I can say I feel sorry for them, but I am not going to apologize for something I didn't do. And btw the witches didn't go unprovoked, they may have been threatening people, who is to say, not me or you.  |
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Date: 4/23/2002 7:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
I meant the decendants, not the ancestors. |
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Date: 4/23/2002 7:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
And I also think that you are also stereotyping US. You can't say for us not to do that to you then classify us as all who classify you as satanists. Your saying we ALL do that, it is our belief that people who do not believe in God go to hell, so we want to save you from that. Because we are just those type of people. You believe that we should leave you alone, it is your belief that we go nowhere when we die or in reincarnation or whatever you believe, but we don't want to leave you alone becase we care. So maybe YOU should apologize to US for stereotyping and critizing us at our schools for bieng Godly people... |
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Date: 4/24/2002 9:35:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
VitalDeath, you are turning this post around and attempting to 1) point a finger at the author of the post ("you are also stereotyping US" & therefore put me in a position of having to either deny the aligation, or defend myself AND 2) are trying to defend the mindset of yourself that somehow it is o.k. to continue to "share the word", if you will because you imply that you will somehow save us from ourselves. Let me address each of these points. To attempt to discuss whether, or not I am "generalizing" in regard to Americans, is to detract from the debate at hand, and therefore, I refuse to be drawn into a side-dicussion, if you will. The second point, is to imply you somehow hold the "truth", and those of us who do not share your view or somehow in mortal peril for our souls. Speaking for myself only, I am no child.I am an eduacted woman (4.0 in nursing school) & quite familiar with the Christian faith, having practiced a fundamentalist form of it for 20 years. So, speaking only for myself, I know what I am talking about. Now, before we get into the bothersome "you must not have been a REAL Christian" argument, I will point out, no Man, or Woman knows my heart, but myself. I know what I have seen & felt. That is why, I repeat AD NAUSEM, "Everyone's Spiritual Walk Is Their Own". |
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Date: 4/24/2002 8:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
You may refuse us all you want, but we will keep trying. Becuase part of "spiritual walk" is to try to take others down that same road. As much as you slam the door in our face, we will keep knocking. While I agree with the point you raised "How could you of been a real Christian" I won't start a side debate, thats left for another post. And you are correct, no man/woman does know your heart, God does though. So you may continue to practice your beliefs, and we will continue to practice ours, which includes preaching to you.-VitalDeath |
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Date: 4/25/2002 4:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 27161
i agree they have the wrong idea about satanism i mean it has nothing to do whith the evil thoghts they say about in fact all our job is to do is revel the truth about this fascist cult that does not folllow the true meaning of the gospel of jesus hail satan  |
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Date: 4/25/2002 4:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
Vital let me say this... when you go to your god on your judgment day... and he is crying for the souls your preaching has turned away because you will not stop your words when asked.... will you be pleased or will god be pleased with you?? |
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Date: 4/25/2002 6:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
Why would he be crying when I did my job. If I did stop preaching, how would that bring glory to God and try to bring people to Him, then how I am I doing wrong. If you are persistant and the Holy Spirit works in the lives of your preachees, then sooner or later something will happen, and if it doesn't than you know what? I did all I could and they HAD there chance to acceot Jesus Christm and missed it. He will be sad they are not with Him, but they had there chance, Christains who never gave up gave it to them.-VitalDeath |
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Date: 4/25/2002 7:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
VitalDeath- maybe you should go into the religion section and read ~RoaryBlue's "just a thought". You will see, this is our view of what awaits us when we leave this world. just read it & think about it, that is all I ask. |
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Date: 4/25/2002 8:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
My point vital, is that SOME people are soooooo intent on speaking their truth, that they would turn away a potential "sheep"... that will not, I would think make God very pleased.... part of "spreading the good word" is to be sure and spread it in a manner that won't turn peeps away! |
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Date: 4/25/2002 8:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
good point, Jungabel. Thank you for responding. You cannot "force" someone to believe something. All you will do is drive them away. |
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Date: 4/25/2002 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
I see you point jungabella, and I guess you are right. They would get tired of it and start to hate it...I see. LSG, I will read that post now.-VitalDeath |
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Date: 4/25/2002 10:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
RoaryBlue's post was very beutiful and inspirational, however my beliefs contradict hers. It is a sweet and lovng thought, that all would go to a great place no matter what they believed, but it is just not mine. Thank you for shpwing me that post, it was wonderful. God Bless-VitalDeath |
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Date: 4/25/2002 10:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 51979
LSG-Rereading my posts on this topic, I realize I have been very harsh and unkind. You on the other hand have shown no anger in your replies. I thank you for that and apologize for what I have said. I can see you are firm in your beliefs, and whereas I still pray you will change, respect you for it. God Bless-VitalDeath |
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Date: 4/26/2002 5:09:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you, Vital Death. that was very kind of you to say |
Date: 4/27/2002 9:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 50265
OMG!! I TOTTALLY!!! AGREE WITH YOU!!! lots of christians don't like me just because I am a wiccan!!! They say I am a devil worshipper and all that stuff and Im NOT!!! I know it COULD be a sin but it's not like I hang out with Satan!!! I love God and I love witchcraft...I can't help it!!! AND I am a witch but I use my energy for good and NOT evil!!! I don't like, eat people or something!!! You are RIGHT!! they DO owe us an apology!!! ~*~KittyMoon~*~  |
| Date: 4/27/2002 6:14:00 PM From Authorid: 27721 I am a christian. I am not a bigot and I don't judge because God says you cannot. I do however know what is wrong. Abortion is wrong..It IS murder. And, any worshipping other than that of the Father is wrong. It might sound irratic, but I think Satan has a lot of people confused. I honstly believe some of you think you are in the right place, but you are not. I will never appologize because I have done nothing wrong. I do believe it is wrong to treat people badly and taunt or torture or even murder them just because of their beliefs, sexuality, or mistakes they heve made. God forgives and so do I. I just hope that you will start down the right path toward God(the God) someday. The only way to do that is through Jesus. Well, thanks for listening all. God Bless you!...Angie |
Date: 5/11/2002 2:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 52187
YES! They do! I am a prodistaint and I am sorry for all the people that did that!  |
Date: 8/16/2002 7:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 55970
Why doesn't everyone just apologize to everyone else? It would be SO much easier. Everyone has done some bashing, so EVERYONE should aplolgize to everyone else. ~Tara~ aka *Jewel Fernandez*  |
Date: 4/2/2003 11:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I don't think I have to apologize for something I personally had nothing to do with. I am a Christian but I would never burn anyone at the stake for my assumptions about them. The witch trials happened over a century ago and even though it was an awful atrocity, I took no part in it. No offense, I just don't think it's fair to point out Christians here, we rarely, if ever get apologies from those that are prejudiced toward us.  |
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Date: 4/3/2003 5:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 15070
thank you for the replies......maybe everyone needs to be more tolerant |
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Date: 4/3/2003 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 34487
I agree LSG... tolerance is a good thing and a good solution. |
Date: 4/7/2004 10:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 3835
Well, this is a thought provoking post. I feel there are too many apologies in the world already. I would rather see it by actions and deeds from all sides, rather than an apology for something created thousands of years ago that stems from our fore-fathers of ancestory.. you know, Lol.. those people way back when that we are taught we are descendants of, but we have no idea what kind of person they were.. just because we are related does not mean we have to always agree with their actions, correct? Apologies are a good start, and I have seen some of those already, so apologies are in motion from where I stand at look. In my opinion, I feel what a person does, is more obvious that apology is at work. I also feel that those non-Christian, should not retort back with "yeah, but you started it first" or "We owe you revenge" type of incidents.. that would accomplish nothing at all but more bruises on top of already healing wounds. To me, it appears that at best, there are alot of minds opening up to the differences of one faith to another. But I feel the apology, is the admittance that we are different, it is accepted and we are all ok. I believe because more and more religions are finding out that even through our differences, we are still focused on One Supreme Source that all associate with God.. so, *clears throat* Why is Goddess so scary to some,when we worship the feminine side of God, and God is Good.. would Goddess, a form of God be just as Good?! I will stop there, Lol... I know your posts *grins*  |
Date: 12/27/2005 2:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 61013
I agree. So many times are Pagans accused of stuff and it gets tiring i mean I've had loads of people when i say that go why don't you switch to christianity and I always tell them because its their path not mine but yeah they owe us an apology *bookmarks*  |
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