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Kids without marriage...followup. -eddo

  Author:  52155  Category:(Discussion) Created:(4/16/2002 9:23:00 AM)
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On April 3, Amber22Bewitched asked the question "Whats wrong with having kids without getting married?" A lot of USM'rs replied with various different opinions. This morning I found some information that I was not aware of, and just thought that I would post it and see what happens:

Marriage is the only institution that protects mothers and children from domestic abuse and violent crime, a new report says.

The report, compiled by the Heritage Foundation, concludes that domestic abuse is twice as high among women who have never married than among those who have. Children of divorced or never-married mothers are six to 30 times more likely to suffer from serious child abuse than children raised by both biological parents who are married, the report says.

"Social science data clearly show that mothers and children are safer in a married family," said Patrick Fagan, a William H.G. Fitzgerald research fellow in Family and Culture Issues. "It's time for the government to adopt policies that reflect this knowledge and rebuild rather than undermine the institution of marriage." The findings also support President Bush's plan to spend $300 million per year on efforts to rebuild marriage among the poor. "In establishing programs to help those who need assistance, the question before Congress shouldn't simply be whether to fund the program, but how much its policies would improve the well-being of adults and children," said Kirk Johnson, a senior policy analyst at the foundation's Center for Data Analysis. The report's findings are based on an analysis of the 1999 results of the National Crime Victimization Survey, which the Justice Department has conducted since 1973.

Highlights of the study:

-Never-married women experience more domestic abuse than those who are married. Among those who have been married, the annual rate of domestic abuse is 14.7 per 1,000 mothers. For mothers who have never been married, it's 32.9 per 1,000.

-Never-married mothers with children are more likely to be victims of violent crime than married women who have children. The report shows that never-married women suffer 147.8 violent crimes per 1,000 mothers each year, compared with 52.9 crimes per 1,000 among married mothers.

-Children who live with their mother and a boyfriend who is not their father are 33 times more likely to be abused. The rate of abuse is six times higher in step-families, 14 times higher in the single-mother family and 20 times higher in cohabiting-biological parent families.

Groups such as the Family Research Council (FRC) and SmartMarriages.com agree with the foundation's findings. "Marriage definitely protects women and children," said Diane Sollee, director of SmartMarriages.com, which is part of the Coalition for Marriage, Family and Couples Education LLC, an independent organization that deals with the strengthening of marriage. A long-term commitment like marriage offers more stability in the home than less-committed relationships, the groups say. Their idea is that commitment heads off violence, a product of instability. "When people are married, they make an investment in each other's lives," said Jennifer Marshall, director of FRC's Family Studies Department. "When you're in a less-committed relationship, it can get volatile because these kinds of relationships don't carry the same commitment."

Please understand that this is just study I found, I am not accusing anyone of abuse, or bashing anyone for any reason. What do you think? -eddo

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Date: 4/16/2002 9:26:00 AM  From Authorid: 31837    Wow! I'm glad I'm getting married soon! Yeah, I can see this. It's too bad, but the fact remains... Some people just shouldn't have children... married or not.  
Date: 4/16/2002 9:39:00 AM  From Authorid: 47539    Well, I think some of this is common sense. The income differences (more single mother's are under the poverty level) will make the likelyhood of violent crime greater. I would also agree that single parent's are probably more likely to abuse their children. That statement might upset people, but I've been a single mom and I've been a married mom, and I KNOW. The ability to walk away and let someone else deal with a screaming, demanding child is invaluable! I never abused my son when single, but I shudder to think what I might have done if I had not had the presence of mind to walk away from him at times. And I think there is a biological link there where men are concerned. In animals, males often kill other males young, but not there own. Okay, that may be stretching it a bit, but I can see where a person would be less likly to abuse their own child than they would others. And I suppose that a man willing to make a commitment of marriage would likely be of a more stable personality, less likely, therefore, to be abusive. But having had a mentally and borderline physically abusive husband, I have more problems with that one. Interesting post. -Pumbaa  
Date: 4/16/2002 9:49:00 AM  From Authorid: 17275    This is very interesting...being a single mother due to my husbands death, it is very scarey to think of these statistics!!!  
Date: 4/16/2002 10:03:00 AM  From Authorid: 25183    I can see how a single mother would be more abusive, or have a child in an abusive situation, over a married mother. My reasoning is along the same lines as Pumbaa's. I am a newly single mother. Although her father and I were never married, we were together 8 years, and raised her up until now, together. I am bound and determined NOT to be a sterotypical single mom. I've moved in with my mother to have somebody else around, and to be more financially stable. I am insistant that her father spend plenty of time with her. For her sake, not his. Being a single mom is the hardest thing I will ever have to do, and I will do everything in my power to protect my child. I realize that I do have advatages over other single mothers with the help of my mother, brothers, grandmothers, etc. I intend on taking full advantage of their wanting to be part of my child's life. I am very lucky.  
Date: 4/16/2002 10:27:00 AM  From Authorid: 2030    Nothing is better than having two parents who love and care. Nothing is better than being sure of your situation and THEN getting married and THEN having kids. It sure would cut down on many of the situations noted above.  
Date: 4/16/2002 10:34:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 52155    You all make some very good points. Thanks! -eddo  
Date: 4/16/2002 10:37:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 52155    Hi Doodlebug! Yes, it sounds as if you are very lucky to have your family there to help you out! It is very important to parents to have a support system, and it sounds as if you have a good one! -eddo  
Date: 4/16/2002 10:39:00 AM  From Authorid: 25183    BCAR, half of marriages end in divorce these days. I'm sure when those now divorced people were married, and decided to have children, they were believing in Happily Ever After. When Happily Ever After ends, you wind up with single mothers.  
Date: 4/16/2002 11:06:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 52155    With all the Pre-nuptual agreements and such that go on these days, do people get married with the "It's gonna be forever" mentality? Marriage is supposed to be a lifelong commitment, not something that you can get un-done for $99 on a tv commercial. I think that it is the commitment that helps people work out the struggles and challanges of being married. I am not married, but when I do get married, I want it to be serious, and my intention is for it to last forever, not until something better comes along, or divorce goes on sale. And I am planning now for it to last forever. Working with teenagers, I have heard a couple of times "The first time I get Married, I'm..." If these teenagers are already planning the second time they get married, then there is almost no way that the first one is gonna last. -eddo  
Date: 4/16/2002 11:53:00 AM  From Authorid: 25183    Eddo, I totally agree, marriage should be forever. I was never married to my daughter's father, but I was committed to the relationship. It was he that decided to end it, I was in for better or worse. I think in a lot of marriages that end, the situation is similar, one wants out, the other doesn't. It is not my choice to raise my daughter on my own, nor is it the choice of many women.  
Date: 4/16/2002 11:59:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 52155    Good point, doodlebug! Thanks! -eddo  
Date: 4/16/2002 12:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 25183    Oh, yea, one more point. If my ex and I had been married, the out come would have still been the same. It just would have been more expensive and timely. I think that people are great at making excuses for themselves, my ex being one of them. Life is what you make of it, and my daughter's life will be full of love and laughter whether her father and I are together or not. I make that committment based on my beliefs of parenting not my marital status.  
Date: 4/16/2002 1:15:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 52155    Hey Doodlebug, I don't know you that well or your situation, but let me ask: Do you think that your unwillingness (for whatever reason) to get married didn't cause any easy out later in the relationship? Always having that in the back of your (or his) head I think would have had to play a pivotal role in the relationship ending. I don't want top get to personal, and PLEASE don't think that I am bashing you in any way at all, it really seems that you have a good firm grasp on things with your child, and that is fantastic! It sounds like you are more the exception, than the rule. I cannot tell you how it warms my heart to hear about a mom that is devoted to her kids. Thanks! -eddo  
Date: 4/16/2002 3:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 25183    Eddo, sure I have thought of that. I was always the one pushing for marriage while he wasn't sure. I am glad now that we never did get married, but last year at this time I would have done it in a second. The relationship ended because he "was not in love anymore," and he decided to find it elsewhere. Had we been married I believe the outcome would have remained the same. Thank you for not bashing. As I stated above, this isn't how I would have chosen my life to go, but we don't always get to choose what happens. I am a stronger person and have taken it all as a learning experience. I am not going to dwell on what should have been, there is no good in that. Who is to say that this isn't what should have been? I am getting way off track here, oh well. Take care,  

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