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Pro-lifers Pro-Choicers.........narrowing the gap between us.......by TORO

  Author:  27360  Category:(Debate) Created:(2/26/2002 10:24:00 PM)
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I hope this doesnt come across as just another abortion post. Here lately there have been numerous debates on Abortion. One thing I have learned is that a Pro-Lifer cannot change the mind of a Pro-Choicer nor the other way around, unless that Pro-choicer happens to be Norma McCorvey. You all know her as the woman that brought us Roe v Wade. If you dont know her story I would suggest you look it up and read it.

Roe v Wade is the law of the land. Abortions will probably always be here because I really dont think that it will ever be overturned. So how do you stop all the abortions from happening? I believe that conservatives need to reach out. I believe that conservatives need to stop the name calling.

Most Abortion advocates will say that abortions are needed just in case the Womans life is in jeopardy. To tell you the truth I cannot argue against that. But what of the fact when it is used merely for the convenience of not having a child? We can well till were blue in the face but Abortion proponants do not believe that a fetus is a living being.

But still what to do? Is it right for us conservatives to condemn a child out of wed-lock. Is it right to condemn a teenager having a child. You know we do that all the time. But I say that it is time for us conservatives to show compassion towards those that choose to bring the baby to term. I say it is time to help out those single moms instead of heaping insults there way. I imagine being young and alone as a single mom is probably one of the hardest things in the world. Heck bringing up children in a two parent home with a "nice" income is hard enough. Yet I do not see any Pro-lifers going out of there way to lend a helping hand.

Yes, Both sides of the issue have to agree that there are way to many abortions? The question is what are we going to do about it?

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Date: 2/26/2002 10:25:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27360    Sorry about putting this in debate I meant to put it under discussions.......  
Date: 2/26/2002 10:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 16916    Good post, Im pro-life but I think abortion should be an option ONLY if the mothers life is in jepoardy otherwise, you play, you pay. I think it is a good idea to keep it in debate anyway this might get heated  
Date: 2/26/2002 10:45:00 PM  From Authorid: 45551    there are other options, like the day after pill, if they were to let women use that the amount of obortions could possibly go down. or another way would to be to stop counting how many are performed, the only 2 people that need to know it occured is the women and the doctor  
Date: 2/26/2002 10:50:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27360    It not only needs to be you play you pay but also we pay. Help out the single mom get an education. Help her rear her child. reach out.  
Date: 2/26/2002 11:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 3321    "Roe" was a very...well, not stupid woman, but she most definitely is not the most intelligent woman placed on this earth.  
Date: 2/26/2002 11:33:00 PM  From Authorid: 49543    el toro,thank you for posting this. i am pro-choice but i am tired of the on-going debate. one of my pro-choice friends asked me the other day, "if pro-lifers want women to have these babies, why don't they do anything to help them?" now i can tell her that some pro-choicers want to help and are advocating to do just that. maybe some people will take a cue from you and start helping and quit condemning. thx again for posting. luv and hugs -MaceyHope  
Date: 2/27/2002 12:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 23610    Yep...condemnation is negative...it's time for people to turn their attitude towards positive change and focus on that instead.  
Date: 2/27/2002 12:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 42539    i am a pro lifer but i have many friends that are pro choice no matter what anyone thinks it the womens choice if we banned them then it whould go back to being back alley clinics and more women dieing from it and n one wants to see that ...child_of_kali  
Date: 2/27/2002 2:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 19382    Yeah. "How could you abort you baby killer!" and then if the child is taken to term and so on "Get away from me you single parent teenage leech!". You cant have it both ways, nitwits.  
Date: 2/27/2002 4:15:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27360    Hello Persephone, I dont know what side of the issue you fall under but it doesnt matter. I do not know what comparing "Roe's" intelligence level to her changing her heart and mind about the abortion issue has to do about anything......  
Date: 2/27/2002 4:20:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27360    Hello MaceyHope.....Both sides have to come to an understanding and figure this out.  
Date: 2/27/2002 4:25:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27360    Hello LadyNyx, I think one of the fundumental changes we conservatives have to make is re-examining our views on sex and teenagers. I remember when Colin Powell made his comment on condoms(can I say that here) Most of us conservatives were up in arms. We just happened to have missed the part where he said "Active" participants. Its almost as if we go deaf when the sex word comes up..  
Date: 2/27/2002 4:31:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27360    Child of Kali how are you......How prevalent were these Back Alley abortions? I have been hearing about them since I started paying attention to politics and such, I need to do some research and find out how common place they were as compared to the clinics and the number of fetuses that are aborted in this day and age.  
Date: 2/27/2002 4:33:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27360    Ship Pagan, You are so right.....  
Date: 2/27/2002 5:04:00 AM  From Authorid: 36967    Guys get to the point.
  
Date: 2/27/2002 5:25:00 AM  From Authorid: 582    Good question. I believe that we chose to be born so that we can experience a multitude of feelings, emotions and experiences. I believe we all have a soul group. Those who we go through our lives with through out enternity and we make packs with these spirits and agree to help each other out with certain experiences. Some may be that pro-life/pro-choice decisions. It doesn't hurt the "child" being aborted and it doesn't cut it's life short because it knows it won't be born but the would be parent is allowed to experience all the feelings and emotions that goes with aborting this fetus and that's the issue at hand. No one dies whose not ready to die. I strongly believe that. Great post.
  
Date: 2/27/2002 7:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 45906    lalalalala whats this i see pro life or pro choice! well ide have to say a friend broaught a point up i say you know what when you are pregenet...you know that little thing that they stick on your stomach? yeah that thumph thumph you hear that is a heart beating not yours the childs and i belive you know wheat i belive that if you have a abortion you kill a child a soal that had not yet lived....yet its your choice ill leave it at that  
Date: 2/27/2002 7:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 45906    hey ship pagan i know where your comeing from first hand i do not belive in abortions myself my friends do so i still dont say anything when i got pregenet they were all like it will wreck your life get a abortion i said no to that option and when i had my son after my 17th b day all my freinds were at the hospital all i heard was awww how cute yet i was thinking that was the baby you guys wanted to kill.....  
Date: 2/28/2002 2:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 27678    Why not teach abstinence and self discipline? We are worried about everyone's freedom to do horrible things, but when it comes to the most vunerable among us, the unborn child, who should be in the safest place on Earth, his/her mother's tummy, then it becomes a "thing," and "blob," but if left alone to come to term, it is a "baby," and a "blessing." What a bunch of hypocrisy! It just makes me ill. And TORO, I fall into the Norma McCorvey role, as I have changed my mind about the issue, and have suffered due to my own "choice" many years ago. This issue will stop once Americans realize that we don't have the right to MURDER the most innocent of all God's creations, the unborn child. So sad. So very sad.  
Date: 2/28/2002 2:41:00 AM  From Authorid: 27678    Persephone, she was not "intelligent" cause she allowed herself to be used to get this law passed. Repenting from the sin of having the abortion is not "stupid," but HONEST, IMHO.  
Date: 2/28/2002 3:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 49746    A TEEN SHOULDNT BE HAVING SEX SEX IF FOR MAKING CHILDREN AND FOR PLEASURE AND SHOULD ONLY BE COMMITED WHEN YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO TAKE ON RESPONSABILITY FOR A CHILD.I AM PROLIFE AND A MOTHER OF 1
Date: 2/28/2002 5:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    My belief system is very similar to Chelle's. That is one of the reason's I am prochoice. Not all people have the same belief system....there is not just one....and no one should be forced to live according to anyone else's belief system. I too believe that we choose to be born and that we know ahead of time who we will be with in this life. It is my belief also that a spirit knows whether or not a fetus is going to be developed to full term and so in knowing that it would not....would not choose that body. Therefore the fetus would not have a spirit. I also don't believe that any spirit enters any body until after the first trimester. Do I expect everyone to believe this....no, cerntainly I don't, but I do believe that because all people are different and because all people have different beliefs and thoughts any decision should be left up to the individual. But as I stated above....if someone does feel the need to step in....I think it should be in a positive manner....not a negative, condemning and judgemental one.  
Date: 3/1/2002 8:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 19382    Mine is similar to Chelle's too.  
Date: 3/1/2002 8:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 39887    I say that no one has to get pregnant if they don't want to. Pills are way cheaper than children and abortions! If you play, then you pay! The only mother who would not give her life for that of her child is a mother capable of murder!  
Date: 3/2/2002 2:04:00 PM  From Authorid: 23610    People do get pregnant even on the pill.  

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