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Taleban army rises again to face US: Could they become a formidable force? Free Girl

  Author:  27678  Category:(Debate) Created:(1/25/2002 9:01:00 PM)
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FRIDAY JANUARY 25 2002

Taleban army rises again to face US

FROM TIM REID IN KANDAHAR

A RENEGADE army of 5,000 Taleban soldiers with 450 tanks, armoured carriers and pick-up trucks is locked in a tense stand-off with American special forces in Afghanistan. The troops fled Kandahar with their commander and more than 100 senior Taleban figures in December after reneging on a surrender agreement. They have regrouped among villages in the mountainous region of Ghazni province, northwest of Kandahar.

Amid growing concern that powerful pockets of resistance loyal to Osama bin Laden remain in Afghanistan, an American soldier was wounded in the foot and 15 Taleban and al-Qaeda guerrillas were killed yesterday in a gunfight north of Kandahar.

The clash, which occurred during a US special forces “search and destroy mission”, was triggered when Arab fighters opened fire on the US patrol, US officials said. About 30 men were captured.

The Americans said that most of the detainees were Afghans and appeared to be Taleban, not al-Qaeda, fighters. Officials described them as members of the leadership but would not comment on whether the US had acted on intelligence that Mullah Muhammad Omar was hiding in the area.

In tough negotiations with American forces, leaders of the renegade army in Ghazni are demanding millions of dollars and the guarantee of an amnesty before they will give up their arms. “Extremely delicate and tense” negotiations are under way between representatives of Gul Agha Sherzai, Kandahar’s new Governor, US special forces and the Taleban commander in charge of the unit.

“They disappeared the day that Kandahar fell,” a senior aide to Mr Sherzai said. “They took with them 450 tanks and vehicles, rocket-propelled grenades, machine-guns and rifles. At present, the Americans do not want to use force, as they are spread among the local people. But there are real fears that if there is one incident of revolt which takes place against the government (of Kandahar, we fear it will have a snowball effect.”

In Kandahar’s football stadium yesterday Mr Sherzai addressed 15,000 people after calling a Loya Jirga (National Council). He pledged allegiance to Zahir Shah, the former Afghan King, but renewed attacks on Iran and its growing infiltration with arms and money. It was seen as the first test of Mr Sherzai’s popularity in post-Taleban Kandahar. The stadium was, however, only three-quarters full, with 3,000 of the audience being schoolchildren.

Afghan troops from Kandahar province are on high alert for possible military action against the allegedly Iranian-backed forces of Ismail Khan, the veteran warlord and Governor of the western city of Herat. Tensions between Mr Sherzai and Mr Khan in Herat remain extremely high and are causing grave concern to the Americans.

The growing number of US troops in the country — more than 3,000 are based at Kandahar airport and in Kabul — are being drawn into provincial rivalries. While many in the country welcome the stabilising influence of American troops in the short term, a long-term deployment would be bitterly resented, particularly in the Pashtun south, where Taleban sympathies are still strong.

Mr Sherzai’s commanders, and US Intelligence, have accused Iran of funnelling cash and arms to Mr Khan and his allies to stir up opposition to the new interim administration of Hamid Karzai in Kabul, and to the US presence in the region.

Mr Khan is accused of persecuting Pashtuns in Herat, with reports from refugees leaving the area of Pashtuns being robbed of trucks, jailed and killed. Mr Khan and Tehran deny the allegations.

In the north reports continue of fighting between forces loyal to General Abdul Rashid Dostum — a man who switched sides no less than six times during the Afghan civil war — and Mohammed Daoud, two rival members of the Northern Alliance, over a remote district near the Tajikistan border.

The conflict has led two other warlords who claim a role in the city — Commander Mohaqaq, a Hazari, and Commander Uftad Ata, a Tajik, to arm refugees loyal to them. “The camps are now punctuated by small-arms fire as rival groups, armed by the warlords, battle each other for territory,” Haneef Ata, of the International Rescue Committee, said.

A UN security officer, who asked not to be named, said that the same practice had spread to other cities. The camps around the eastern city of Jalalabad contained large numbers of young men being armed by warlords who were keen to fill the power vacuum outside Kabul, the official said.

Under the terms of the agreement establishing the interim administration there was no provision for the deployment of peacekeeping troops beyond 4,500 in Kabul.

General Ghulam Nassery, Afghan minister in charge of peacekeeping, said: “Unless the camps are disarmed, Afghanistan could once again slide into civil war. I am ashamed to say, we need men who are not Afghans. We need more than 100,000 of them.”

Well, could the Taliban rise again and become a force to be reckoned with? What's your opinion?

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Date: 1/25/2002 9:05:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    No they are to primitive it would be like finding some old nazi's that traveled here thru time we would crush them. We arent the worlds Superpower for nothing. Bigtex  
Date: 1/25/2002 9:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 48511    They're going to get their butts creamed. End of story, end of Taliban.
Date: 1/25/2002 9:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    HIYA FREEGIRL!!!! Long time no see!!!! Great seeing you Okies, now on to your question... YESSSSSSS, they can rise again and be something to reckon with, just ask Russia. They are very poor, but very SMART when it comes to violence and murder, so yes, they can and probably WILL be something to reckon with, even the News is pointing in that direction. Thanks for sharing and glad to see you   
Date: 1/25/2002 10:15:00 PM  From Authorid: 16538    I think you are wrong gail one of big the reasons the russians got there butts kicked was because of strategic mistakes not overwhelming power. Bigtex  
Date: 1/26/2002 1:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 19382    Why did America bother to start a war in the Gulf, if they weren't going to finish it? The sanctions are bloody useless, the only people they affect are the civilians, Saddam can get anything he wants smuggled in. And you deny the civilians what they need, of course they are going to turn to Saddam, becuase he will show them "the evil americans that are keeping the much needed supplies from getting here".  
Date: 1/26/2002 1:45:00 AM  From Authorid: 19382    No. America is out for revenge. "Europe, though, increasingly sees an arrogant superpower on the loose - one that after a brief, tactical flirtation with cooperation is back to its old unilateralist ways, ignoring international conventions and treaties as it chooses, spitting in the face of world opinion, safe in the knowledge that its power is unchallengeable." " the US somehow "had it coming"." they did. It was certainly NOT deserved, but America had been asking for it. none of their "humanitarian" oeprations were that at all. All they did was protect their intrests, nothing more. That bombing of the embassy in africa, americans came in, searched for americans only, found them all, then took off. That doesn't show very well for them does it. America shows a high-and-mighty attitude towards the rest of the world, and the "not so well" countries and people of the world, cannot take so much that they will violently act against it.  
Date: 1/26/2002 1:46:00 AM  From Authorid: 19382    Why are my replies in reverse order? Weird!  
Date: 1/26/2002 10:53:00 AM  From Authorid: 16538    Are you an american ShipPagan. Bigtex  
Date: 1/26/2002 12:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 9295    Are you an american Bigtex? You are aware of freedom of speech, correct? To answer the question, no, I don't believe the Taliban were ever a force to be reckoned with.  
Date: 1/26/2002 12:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 11528    Hi Freegirl, No the Taliban do not have the resources or arms to become a force to be reckoned with. I find this report to be questionable. 450 tanks, APC's and pick up trucks in one area. That is a huge target for the US Air Force to bomb. I think its nuts for them to gather in one spot like that. Bye for now. Enki  
Date: 1/26/2002 6:30:00 PM  From Authorid: 37354    Islamic fundamentalism is a force to be reckoned with. Hugo
Date: 1/27/2002 11:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 16538    Am I american of course yes. Bigtex  
Date: 1/28/2002 10:52:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 27678    Thanks for the replies, guys. I wasn't surprised at this report, and wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that the Taliban have troops and equipment stashed all over Afghanistan. Perhaps they are waiting for LOTS of peacekeepers to enter the country? These people are very humble, imo, and may be making us feel we are winning, when in fact, they are drawing us in. Besides, isn't it weird how we are killing them by the thousands, and not losing very many of our men, but they are so dangerous, they have to be treated like animals at Guatanamo? I find that very peculiar.  

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