Date: 1/25/2002 8:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Yah I think they should cause i am going into they United States Air Force anyways. But i think it would teach all those lazy kids a life. Bigtex  |
Date: 1/25/2002 9:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
Why would we start a draft if we're not at war?  |
Date: 1/25/2002 9:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 21605
Personally I don't think that young men should -have- to do any military service. Joining an army or navy should be their own choice. *shrugs* Just my thoughts on this.  ~Jenster~
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Date: 1/25/2002 10:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 42688
Being a young man...I gotta say "naw". Naw. lol, not for this guy. Weeping Giant  |
Date: 1/25/2002 10:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
I think this is long overdue. At a time when many guard and reserve members are being called to active duty to support homeland security, it is leaving many missions that these members once did shorthanded. This would give the United States a readily available force from which to draw if a situation dictated. At present, former military members are subject to recall under certain circumtances, and even retired military who have not reached what would have been their 30th year had they stayed active are subject to recall. At age 41, I know I would not be as fit or ready as I was 20 years ago. In a day and time when military actions move extremely fast, there is a great need for younger, more fit, military members. Put it on a ballot, it has my vote. ...<Warrior Spirit>  |
Date: 1/26/2002 12:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 34078
No, I think they should all have to drive a semi truck instead.  |
Date: 1/26/2002 7:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 36079
I think they should have those options for people deciding to use the selective service program, but not to tell everyone they have to. Some guys are not the strong gruff kind, some are gentle and still have there innocents, and that is really cool, but they go into the mil, and there spirit gets broken and they end up worse then when they came in, sometimes even getting mental problems becouse there body was not made rfor that. They also still do initiations in the mil(although illegal), which is degrading and can really mess a guys head up, and can be dangerous. Many guys who go into the mil might learn discipline, yada yada yada, but turn out to be complete j"ks in the end, becouse of how they were treated while being trained and how they were treated by higher ups.  |
Date: 1/26/2002 9:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
I don't think it would be such a bad Idea..it would give the average person a better understanding of the military...Kelly  |
Date: 1/26/2002 9:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 11528
Oh No. This is the first I have heard of this bill. It is very scary to think about. I hope this bill does not pass. I dont think anyone should be forced to go into militairy programs against thier wishes. I think if politicians cant get along with one another then let the politicians fight it out. Leave the civilians alone. Let them get on with thier lives and careers and dont force them into battle. Armies should be made up of people who want to be soldiers, not civilians forced into it. Bye for now. Enki  |
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Date: 1/26/2002 9:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
Enki, don't worry, theirs always Canada...Kelly |
Date: 1/26/2002 10:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
gee, how did I know this was soon in the making??
So many people say, OH the draft wont come back? Looks like it to me. Yep, AMERIKA  |
Date: 1/26/2002 12:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 9295
When and if a bill like this should get passed will be when I proudly stand up and declare myself anti-american. Resistance to this would be overwhelming.  |
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Date: 1/26/2002 12:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
Hehehehe, Kelly, Im already in Canada. I was thinking of all the young men of the United States who will have to put thier lives on hold of a year or longer to serve against thier wishes. Sounds pretty dictatorial to me. Bye for now. Enki |
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Date: 1/26/2002 1:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
There are several countries that have compulsary military training. Israel had it for years for Jewish males over 18. Switzerland has had it, and they are considered a neutral country. Those countries that have compulsary service, do it so they have a readily available defense force in case of war or invasion. Being the richest superpower in the world does not guarantee us safety within our borders. If others who would do us harm know that at every turn they will be facing someone who has been militarily trained, they will then think twice before acting. Smurf Poo, not everybody that goes into the military is "strong and gruff". Not all jobs in the military require them to be. When I first joined the military, I weighed a mere 145 pounds on a 6' frame. As for initiations, or hazing as it is called, those instances are few and far between, and are against military law. I spent most of my adult life in the military, and never was hazed. I did go through certain ceremonies when I crossed the Artic Circle, and transited the Panama Canal, but these are not classified as hazing, and not everyone is required to participate. Most people do not realize just how undermanned our military is. When it made it's first shakedown cruise, the USS Roosevelt was only 65% manned. There were not enough personnel available to man her further. Numerous military units operate at less than 90% manning, and some members are required to do more than one job as a consequence. One other point I will make on this is that if the bill passes, it could do wonders for ending much of the inner city and gang violence that is reaching epidemic proportions in some areas. It could work to instill a sense of pride that would have never been known, as well as giving corporate America a much better trained and discplined work force to draw from. There are negatives to any idea, but this is one time when I think the positives far outweigh the negatives. ...<Warrior Spirit> |
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Date: 1/26/2002 3:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 36079
No they do not need to be, but for the average American military training is harsh, too harsh for some (me) lol, although I am a girl, I know plenty of guys who would never make it with out a mager bearkdown of sorts. ell u must of had a sugar coated military experience, or maybe its just the marines who mostly do it, but hazing def goes on, hubby was hazed by peers, it apparently was that bad that he won't even tell me what it was, one thing he mentioned that was sometimes done was taking gallon jugs in both hands and being made to stand for hours. Also I'm sure you have heard of thrashing? Where higher ups on an ego spree can order kick someones but, or have it ordered, and of course they are a higher up so there word is never questioned. Yeah, Canada, Thank God for Canada, lol. |
Date: 1/26/2002 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
i think the draft is a very good idea only if we need it and as far as i see no we dont need it  |
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Date: 1/26/2002 9:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 22080
smurf poo theres 2 kinds of hazeing one is when someone gets promoted and a friend smashes the rank into there chest or when they get the company or platoon whichever size really mad during basic training and they throw a "blanket party" where they put a soap bar in there pillow case and someone holds a person down and gags them and everyone runs by and gets one wack at least thats all i know of and yes the army is ruff n tuff but thats mainly the infantry units cause i dont really see to many supply sergeants bashing each others rank in there chest |
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Date: 1/26/2002 9:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
Hazing is now strictly prohibited in the military. I'm not saying it doesn't happen occasionally, but no more than it happens at a Frat house you might join in college...Kelly |
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Date: 1/26/2002 9:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 15228
Well Enki, I guess you don't have to worry about it..and here I've been feeling bad about that comment..but knowing now that you are from Canada explains alot...Kelly |
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Date: 1/26/2002 10:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
Smurfpoo, as a general rule I do not criticize other people's service. As for my own, during basic I carried a M-14 rifle, all 12 lbs of it, all the way through basic. We marched with it, did PT with it, and had it by our side in class. When we did push-ups, they were done with that rifle sitting on the back of our hands. The only part of it that was ever allowed to touch the ground was the stock. If any other part of it did, we could expect at least a 4 hour motivational tour. Was that hazing? No. It was discipline. Although I was not one of those strong gruff kids, I prepared myself fully for basic before ever leaving home. By the time I left, I was capable of running a minimum of ten miles, could do push-ups, chin-ups, and sit-ups. The push-ups and chin-ups were the hardest for me because I had shattered my left shoulder just 4 years earlier. Still, I overcame my injuries. Just prior to my discharge at age 39, I could still do PT with the youngest members of my sqaudron. I am 41 now, and still eligible for recall for another 8 years. Does it bother me? No. If called, I will go. But if war does come, I know I will not be quite as sharp, or near as fit as I was 20 years ago. I am not going to try and fool myself or anyone else. War today is very much a young man's game. It would be nice to know that there is a ready source for those young men, and that it wouldn't take weeks of training to get them ready. I never said that hazing did not go on, only that the incidents are few and far between. Anyone found guilty of hazing can very well see their careers ended, regardless of rank. Everyone has their opinons on compulsary service. Not everyone agrees. As for me, I feel if someone is going to live in a free country, and enjoy those freedoms, then they should be prepared to serve that country in protection of those freedoms. If they are not willing to do so, then why should somebody else do it for them. ...<Warrior Spirit> |
Date: 1/28/2002 10:32:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27678
Hi guys. Sorry, I wasn't able to get back to this. While I see many valid points to what you are all saying, I feel that while "firearms training" should be mandatory, like in Switzerland, for examply, military service should be voluntary. I have a real problem with my service personnel being used to promote someone's pocket book, and we all know there are many conflicts that are based, flat out, on monetary gain for some corporate entity. There is no denying this. I served time in the military, and actually found it to be bloated, incompetent, and without honor. I served four years, and got nothing in return, as far as I am concerned, but a feeling of hopelessness. Granted this was the late seventies, but the laxity of the service, left a lot to be desired. Thanks for all of your replies.  |
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Date: 2/3/2002 8:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 36079
Sorry I could not get back, but for anyone who checks back, My husband was in training and had gotten hazed, so I know it does go on at lest inthe Marines. Warrior spirit, I am not saying your training was not dificlut, I am just saying that maybe you have not gone through some of the darker sides of the military. From what I am told out of all the branches, Marine training is e of the harshest, people in other branches have told my husband that they would not want to be him, as far as what military branch. Especially with the mandatory humps every week. I also saw no honour in it iether, none of the people in the military showed him any honor or pride, the only people who did were family. Yeah, my hubby served almost 4, and he got something! A injured knee! lol, isn't that great? lol |
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Date: 2/4/2002 7:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 27678
Thanks for sharing, SmurfPoo. |
