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Date: 1/2/2002 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
I would be surprised if it went that far. Its not going to stop them in anyway...there will just be more deaths as a result of it...  |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Not gonna happen.  |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
I'm not as worried about more people having abortions than I am about people having them illegally, doubling the fatalities from unsterile operations and lack of control a woman has over her body and reproductive system. I am pro-choice, but it does not mean that I advocate having them. I think the choice should be there. |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
no comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Well said Persephone, I second that.... |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 47162
About time bush does something for the conservatives who voted for him cuz of the abortion issues. So many republicans forget the ones who got em in office. Well at least the ummm...majority of supreme court justices that got him ni office.hahaha Resilient One  |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
this is not a healthy topic for people to discuss lightly!!! too many feelings can be hurt! |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
It has never been established when life begins. So until it is, I doubt that this will ever happen. In the case of a pregnant woman being murdered while pregnant....it is the woman's intention to have the child and thus a life would eventually have been born....that is why it is a double murder. As for the government having control over a woman's right to chose whether or not to have a child....whatever her reasoning may be....I am against it. It is a personal and individual choice.  |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 5484
life begins at conception,it is how you become pregnant  |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
this post wont last----- i give it 20 minuits,, its gonna start to much trouble! |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
one minuit |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
two minuits! |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Life begins at conception is merely an opinion....not fact. It has yet to be proven. |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:31:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 5484
no either you are pregnant or you are not. |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
Roe Vs Wade will NEVER be overturned.  |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
SORRY RATHER SEE ABORTION, than dead babies in garbage cans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Being pregnant is a different issue than the concept of life beginning. Apples and oranges. |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Resilent One I beg to differ with you...I voted for Bush but not so he could overturn Roe vs Wade....Which will never happen, but because I believe in my freedom with the right to bare arms... |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
46005 with your behavior this post won't last long, not because of the topic....just an FYI... |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 5484
THIS ISN'T APPLES AND ORANGES IT IS A HUMAN BEING,IF YOU AREN'T PREGNANT THEN YOU ARE NOT'IF YOU ARE YOU ARE |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
i voted for bush cause he had a back up team, all he had to do was call daddy, and ask to speak to momma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
i promise it wont last, when i first came here i had a topic similar to this, they sent me a message saying----------- no abortion topics will be allowed, all will be deleted because of the trouble they have with them--- fyi |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
A pregnant woman is not an embryo nor a fetus....it is apples and oranges. |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 24924
"Life begins at conception"? Why, thank you, Doctor Chrissy. I'd like to know just how it is that YOU'ved came by the knowledge that has so eluded all other mankind?? |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Oh I am sorry you know so much, it doesn't explain the fact that my abortion posts have stayed up, yours must have been out of hand.. |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
AZ------ all i said in my post was people should have a right to do what they please, smoke weed, abortion, ect we live in a free world, and please dont insult me, i was only teling you what was sent to me......... in another words dont talk to me unless you can say something nice, i have a right to voice my opinion! |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
and maybe this is something recent! |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
I agree with thinker...... |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
This is why this topic can be so aggravating. Because you have insolent people posting and replying about a topic which they have done no research on and supporting politicians for mere platform issues rather than what they can actually do for us. I may treasure my right to bear arms but you would never catch me voting for a Bush, under any circumstance. Little G.W. is just trying to pick up where Daddy B left off. In case you didn't know, the Big Daddy Bush was the one who shelved RU 486 until Clinton came into office and put it through clinicals again, giving women another choice...heaven forbid a woman should actually have some sort of control over her body... |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Persephone don't get me wrong....I did not vote for Bush to overturn abortion and keep the arms bit. I voted for him because even though I knew his stance on abortion.......Roe Vs Wade will never be overturned...I didn't vote for him to do that and my comment was addressed to resilent one in response to that. There were many other reasons I voted for Bush besides the right to bear arms....I am pro choice and I did agree with your second Persephone. |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 20497
people get arrested for abusing their animals... but they have the freedom to take the life of their unborn child....... human being....... animal...... human being....... animal........ hmmmmmm...... I can't decide. JMO   |
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Date: 1/2/2002 10:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
People get arrested for abusing human beings once birth has occured....so I don't understand the comparison between human beings and animals. If it were to be established and proven that an embryo is considered a life then I'm sure that line of reasoning would be logical....for now an embryo is an embryo. Find and prove when life begins and then we can establish when this is abuse. |
| Date: 1/2/2002 10:15:00 PM From Authorid: 24010 WOW!!! Thank You for standing up for the truth!!!Why is it sooo hard to understand right from wrong these days?? What is sooo hard with when u expell what is living inside a human being that WILL LIVE unless expelled that that has stopped life??? What are U missing, or rather what am I missing??? Stoping life has always ,will always , and is forever MURDER!!! And it is incomprehensable that any human being with the morality not to commit the act of murder, would not be able to comprehend that if it is immoral to comit murder to another human being that it will also be immoral to commit murder in the form of "abortion". |
Date: 1/2/2002 10:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
I agree with Az and Pers. It's the womans choice, not the states. Once we allow the government into our bodies, they will never leave.  |
| Date: 1/2/2002 10:30:00 PM From Authorid: 24010 *17525* This has nothing to do with, a womans choice, or the govenment or anything other than right and wrong, morality, and having NO double standards,which is when a pregant woman is killed that the killer is charged with TWO 2 murders, The biggest double standard in law that has ever been, which is definitely the government telling us hwo to believe!!!! |
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Date: 1/2/2002 10:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
24010...I have to disagree...it has everything to do with a woman's choice. Labels such as "wrong" and "morality" are relative and are man made....usually used to control the actions of others. I see no double standard between murdering a pregnant woman and the fetus that is intended to be given life and aborting an embryo that is not intended to be given life. |
Date: 1/2/2002 10:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 46704
I personally would never have an abortion, but to each thier own. "The life begins at conception theory" is just that a theory, a belief structured by certian religions. It is not proven. In this country we have the right to follow whatever beliefs or religions we choose. Sorry but that is how I feel. Cloudfire  |
Date: 1/2/2002 11:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 37843
If someone that kills a pregnant woman is charged with two murders, but it is perfectly legal for the woman to kill the embryo its a double standard. abortion is like taking the life of someone that never got a chance to live, its murder. if they dont want the child they should give it up for adoption, not kill it. murder is illegal so abortion should also be illegal -- WhyteFire1  |
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Date: 1/2/2002 11:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
You cannot kill what does not have life. Prove when life begins and then you might have a point. |
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Date: 1/2/2002 11:36:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Let me add to that....unless it is intended to allow it to reach the point of birth or proven life. |
Date: 1/3/2002 1:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Nature itself can teach us some good lessons..If we plant a seed and we do not interfere with the seed's normal growing process,it will grow..That is because it has life..If we interfere and cause the seed to die,we destroy its life..If we become pregnant,the embryo(seed) has life or it would not continue to grow..If we interfere and stop the embryo's normal growing process,we destroy it's life..If we destroy the life of an apple seed before it reaches maturity,then we stopped it from growing into an apple tree..If we destroy the life of an embryo(seed) before it reaches maturity,then we stopped it from from growing into a human being..One of the differences between stopping an apple seed from maturing and the embryo,is that the apple seed does not produce a living soul..There is no moral wrong in killing an apple seed but to kill a soul is called murder..  |
Date: 1/3/2002 2:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 22080
he's makeing abortion illegal thats bull dookie that takes away freedoms  |
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Date: 1/3/2002 7:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 23610
You can look at nature all day long....you will still not be able to state truthfully and scientifically that you know when life begins and when a spirit actually enters a body. If you don't know then you do not have the right to tell anyone else what they should do. Bottom line....it's just not your choice to make it is each person's individually. |
Date: 1/3/2002 8:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 19220
I agree with AZ and Lady Nyx  |
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Date: 1/3/2002 9:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Hi Lady Nyx..We don't scientifically know the exact moment an apple seed takes on life,but from the MOMENT it begins to grow,scientifically it has life..My point is that if an embryo is GROWING it already has life,but it is an undeveloped life..To interfere with this life process is denying the life to develop.. |
Date: 1/3/2002 10:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 16671
Crissy I pray that it is reversed. IF the courts find that when killing a pregnant women is actually killing TWO human beings, then when a woman has an aborition they too should be charged with murder.  |
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Date: 1/3/2002 10:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 23610
Rusure...apples don't have brains...nor do they have free will. |
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Date: 1/3/2002 11:56:00 AM
From Authorid: 3125
Lady Nyx..As I said..My point is that if an embryo is GROWING it *already has life*,but it is an undeveloped *life*..To interfere with this life process is denying the life to develop..In order for an embryo to grow,it must first be alive or it would not continue to grow..When a person stops the growing embryo,they are destroying the life of the embryo.. |
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Date: 1/3/2002 12:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Rusure, if it is already life then how can one deny life to develop? That is illogical. I would go so far as to say that it is "potential" life...but there is no proof that it is life nor when the spirit enters the body. |
Date: 1/3/2002 2:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 26573
Bush has no power to overturn a decicion like that.  |
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Date: 1/3/2002 5:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 3125
Lady Nyx..Let's look at it this way..A woman's egg has no life until it is fertilized by a male sperm..When it is fertilized,it then takes on "life"..The proof that it has life is shown in the fact that it is growing..A human embryo is growing or in the process of becoming a human being..The reason I used the example of an apple seed was because the same growing process occurs. An apple seed or any seed must grow before we can enjoy the completed result..A human embryo starts as a seed and we must allow it to grow before we can enjoy the completed result..If we destroy the seed(embryo)of either,the apple or the human,then we kill it..We stopped the natural process..But.. My entire point is that if something IS GROWING it has LIFE..A seed cannot grow without first having life..If it isn't growing,then it is dead..If we interfere with the growing process and stop the embryo from growing to maturity,then we are killing it.. |
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Date: 1/3/2002 6:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Once again, Rusure, that is considered potential life. |
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Date: 1/3/2002 7:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
. Biologic Facts Ñ Biologic human life is defined by examining the scientific facts of human development. This is a field where there is no controversy, no disagreement. There is only one set of facts, only one embryology book studied in medical school. The more scientific knowledge of fetal development that is learned, the more science has confirmed that the beginning of any one human individual's life, biologically speaking, begins at conception of the union of his father's sperm and his mother's ovum, a process called "conception," "fertilization" or "fecundation." This is so because this being, from fertilization, is alive, human, complete and growing. http://www.prolife-mcfl.org/Politics%20&%20Law/Laws/When%20life%20begins_page.htm http://www.lifebegins.com/contents_human.htm The pronucleus of the sperm, containing its 23 chromosomes, in about 12 hours migrates to meet the ovum’s pronucleus with its 23 chromosomes. Their fusion takes about 2 hours. Then in another 18 hours this 46 chromosome nucleus divides into two cells. Then into 3 cells at which time some new opinion believes the "decision" is made to stay single or pro-gram to divide into twins. so **actually* I guess it would be safe to get an abortion with in ***14*** **** HOURS** of conception. http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_11.asp#When and where does fertilization occur? AND NO, I DONT THINK ITS CONSIDER A **POTENTIAL life** WHERE do you come up with that one?? |
| Date: 1/3/2002 8:34:00 PM From Authorid: 37354 Why is it single cell organisms are recognized as life, but unborn babies are not? Women should not have the right to kill. Hugo |
Date: 1/4/2002 3:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 38474
WON'T HAPPEN..................  |
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Date: 1/4/2002 3:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 46005
ok -- heres my comment--- SO what if Bush does overturn Roe versus Wade....? There will always be aortion--------always! Maybe in alleys, or some house in the woods, doctors working for a little chump change they wont have to pay taxes on---- Abortion will always be--- and no law will change it. Abortion has been around as long as life. Women use to give themselves abortions with clotheshangers,,,, knives, jumping off chairs, hitting themselves in the stomach, ect----- so maybe having abortion legal- will in the long run save some lives of women who absolutely can not have children, and I have heard nothing about- what if a woman is raped, should she be reminded of that rape the rest of her life..... ??? What if she has HIV, should we bring a child into the world who wont survive.. What if the women will die in childbirth, her body cant handle pregnancy-- we havent commented on any of this! |
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