Date: 7/16/2001 9:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 22188
I agree..wholeheartedly ~CaseyGirlie  |
Date: 7/16/2001 9:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
I agree that you can't blame any religion on the misdeeds of some of it's members.  |
Date: 7/16/2001 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
Must have been a political leader who said that quote. He was problably looking for votes. Besides Religion has always been a tool of the political leaders. It keeps the population fearful and subservient and docile. Bye for now. Enki  |
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Date: 7/16/2001 9:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Yes it was a political leader. Hugo |
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Date: 7/16/2001 9:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
I do not think he was really looking for votes, at that time, however. Hugo |
Date: 7/16/2001 9:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 5484
I WAS EMOTIONALLY ABUSED AND DENIED MY RIGHTS AS A HUMAN BY A PREACHER,I BLAME HIM  |
Date: 7/16/2001 11:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 19382
One person can totally put you off though. I blame the church for a lot of stuff. But alot of that stuff is history, and not that much of the present.  |
Date: 7/17/2001 12:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 34814
Well I agree with Pagan and Enki sorry   |
Date: 7/17/2001 9:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
I have to agree. I believe as God's creatures, we are all inherently born with the knowledge of good and evil, or "natural law" if you will. Free Girl  |
Date: 7/17/2001 10:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
The church IS its people. It is not a separate entity from it's adherants.The church reflects the quality of the people who institute its policies and, as such, IS representative of the people who do so, bad or good. If intollerant and prejudiced policies are instituted by the people speaking for the church then the church is intollerant and prejudiced. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link and the church is only as holy as those who speak for it and formulate it's policies. The church is an institution. The Temple of God is in the heart. If the church wishes to take credit for any of the good things which it's adherants have accomplished, it must also be willing to accept blame for all the bad. It can't be both ways. JMO  |
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Date: 7/17/2001 11:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 39070
I agree with Osiris on this one. Ever heard that old nursery rhyme about , "This is the church, this is the steeple, open the doors, and see all the people"? Well, say you open the doors and all the people are smuggling pandas into the country or something? But seriously, Osiris hit it dead on with ,"If the church wishes to take credit for any of the good things which it's adherants have accomplished, it must also be willing to accept blame for all the bad. It can't be both ways" Perfect example, when I was 14 and impressionable I tried to find comfort in my church but it was not there. I live in the South, and the majority of people at that church were openly racist outside of the church doors. I heard such comments as, "Oh, I'm not racist but it's just that white people should go to a white church and black people should go to a black church" when a young black man actually started coming to our services. This was the proverbial straw for me that broke the camel's back. I had attended this church my entire life, and between the ages of 4-13 found myself filling the role of "outcast" as the other children would constantly verbally abuse me while their parents and relatives would turn a blind eye to it all. My life was miserable at that church, and by the time I turned 15 I just grew so sick of it all that I left the church and turned my back on God. The reason being, "If this how Christians are, and if this is what God encourages I want no part of it." It's only in the last few months, I've turned 18 and have begun to realize that it was NOT God that was the problem. I had a preacher that told me Catholicism was nothing more than a cult, and all Catholics were going to Hell. All and all in a weird turn of events, the only way I've been able to keep my faith now is by NOT going to church on Sunday morning. J.B. EnigmA |
Date: 7/17/2001 11:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 13974
Why is it when a spiritual person does something great, their faith is praised, and given credit, but when the do something bad, it has nothing to do with their faith group. I wish I could take credit for good, and deny any wrongdoing. All the advantages, without ever having to pay a price for missdeads... wouldn't that be great, I wonder how the church does it?  |
Date: 7/17/2001 11:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 13974
Oops, should have read other responses here first...  |
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Date: 7/18/2001 8:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
I believe that organized churches as a whole do more good than harm except when these churches are given powers to govern. Hugo |
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Date: 7/18/2001 8:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
In the church I go to(in the South) blacks, whites, browns and yellows all attend. Churches should be judged by their leaders and what these leaders do to try to encourage their followers to follow high moral standards. In any medium size or larger city you can find multiracial churches. The evils perpetrated by the Catholic Church in the past are more a warning against intermingling church and state then representative of the current state of the Catholic Church. Osirisis is right when you judge a church a church is only made up of people, so you are also judging every member of that church. Hugo |
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Date: 7/18/2001 8:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Does anyone besides Enki know the author of this quote. Hugo |
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Date: 7/18/2001 8:44:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Enki's response takes Marx's opiate of the masses view. It is unfortunate that the followers of Marx have resorted to the sword to keep their citizens under control. Hugo |
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Date: 7/19/2001 12:24:00 AM
From Authorid: 13974
I was simply wondering how you view Enki as a marxist. |
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Date: 7/19/2001 4:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
I did not call Enki a marxist, I simply said they agree on the function of religion in society. Hugo |
