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Date: 6/18/2001 7:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 18506
god I so soo totally agree with you....  |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
It was my understanding that "an eye for an eye" was supposed to be replaced with "turn the other cheek".  |
| Date: 6/18/2001 7:18:00 PM From Authorid: 27770 I for one strongly oppose the death penalty. It is actually cheaper to keeper murderers and such in jail for the rest of their lfe. For every singl eexecution it costs U.S. taxpayers almost 8 and 1/2 million dollars.And how can the government kill people who kill to show that killing is wrong?? If you can answer me that i might think twice about opposing the death penalty. ~ maliki ~ |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 14752
I think that people that due such heinous things like McVeigh did should be used for scientific experimentation. I think that they should have their humanity taken away, not just their life. I think that all their rights as a human being should be taken away and their body should be used for scientific purposes. Test drugs on them, or use them like lab rats. That way our tax money would be better spent.  |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 30264
Im for the death penalty unless innocent people get killed.One innocen isnt worth 500000000 guilty ones!!!!!But other than that yes those people deserve to die and the Bible says before we do that we need to be absolutely and posetively sure they did the crime.THe Bible says 2 or 3 witnesses but we have much better ways of finding out if they are guilty.So all Im saying is that we need ot be sure.....peace  |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 34341
Eight and a half million dollars? Isn't that typical of government spending! Spending that much when all they need to do is use around ten dollars worth of rope...<glock>  |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 22433
I agree with Maliki. The gov't kills people for killing people to show that killing is wrong. I think they should make the killer suffer in a place like alcatraz with no limbs or something. Everyone who tells me their opinion about supporting the death penalty, i ask them two questions. Say, for example, your brother/sister/mom/dad was killed. You'd want that murderer to die the same way, right? Well, what if the tables were turned and it was your brother/sister/mom/dad that killed someone. Would you still support the death penalty? ^H^  |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 9713
I agree with you. While I do believe in harming none, if someone takes so many lives, they do NOT deserve to live. I might be a hipocrit for believing in the Rede and saying that, but so be it. If someone can be that...disgusting, they deserve to die a terrible death.  |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 36352
THE BIBLE THE BIBLE EVERYBODY FINDS THE ANSWER IN THE BIBLE. THE BIG OL BOOK WITH ALL THE ANSWERS THAT CONTRIDICTS ITSELF AND GIVES EVERY ONE AN EXCUSE TO DO WHAT THEY DARN WELL PLEASE. tHE BIBLE SAYS THOU SHALT NOT KILL! BUT THEN YOU SAY IT SAYS YOU CAN. THE BIBLE SAYS NOT TO JUDGE; THAT IT IS GOD'S PLACE TO JUDGE. BET YET YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE JUDGED THEN PUT TO DEATH! THE BIBLE SAYS TO FOR GIVE ALL SINS TOO. I MEAN WE COULD GO ON FOR DAYS. YOUR GONNA HAVE TO DO ONE BETTER THAN USE THE BIBLE TO CONVINCE ME THAT THE DEATH PENALTY IS OKAY. THE GOVERNMENT IS JUST TRYING TO PLAY THE ROLE OF GOD. DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE VICTIMS OR THEIR FAMILY? lOVE, ANGELBELLE  |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 25627
Hmmmmmm...it seems to me that we live with a government that tells us that spanking our children will teach them to hit....but....killing our murderers will teach others not to murder. Does anyone else see the irony?? Love and peace  |
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Date: 6/18/2001 7:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 36352
rIGHT ON! A.B |
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Date: 6/18/2001 7:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 36352
rIGHT ON! A.B |
Date: 6/18/2001 7:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 30421
teaching people not to kill by killing???? What is that??  |
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Date: 6/18/2001 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Uh-huh, and the bible also says: "TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" |
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Date: 6/18/2001 7:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 30264
What is all this crap about torturing!!!!!??????Geeeez if we're gonna put them to death than so be it but its not our place to torture them!!!! |
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Date: 6/18/2001 8:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
It's funny. SOmetimes I'm debating this with someone and they'll say "I don't think we should kill them" And I think: "Yes! I'm getting through here" And then they say "We should torture them first" And I think: "Argh!" lol |
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Date: 6/18/2001 8:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 30264
LOL Dark I know what you meen.If we're gonna kill them at least lets not torture them.THats inhumane.People that think like that are thinking just like the killers themselves and have no right to punish them....... |
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Date: 6/18/2001 8:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 35933
hmmm...I have mixed feelings on the death penalty. And doesn't it cost more money (tax money) to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison? The eye for an eye thing shouldn't apply because it doesn't apply for everything. The people who raped aren't raped, and those who steal aren't stolen from. -Disconnected  |
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Date: 6/18/2001 9:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 27398
Hmmm. Interesting, but I'm opposed to the death penalty. You yourself made the argument that the person should suffer the pain of those he killed. IN order to effectively do that, the person to be punished needs to sit in jail and rot for the rest of his life. Really, not that many prisoners watch cable TV and play billiards all day. Life in prison may give prisoners a chance to reconcile. Also, an eye for an eye, doesn't always work. Seriously, we've all committed crimes in one way or another before, and have we really experienced them back? If someone was raped, the rapist wouldn't be raped back, heck, he might even enjoy it. If you made a huge mistake and the penalty was deathm would you really want to die for it or would you want a second chance?  |
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Date: 6/18/2001 9:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 27398
Hmmm. Interesting, but I'm opposed to the death penalty. You yourself made the argument that the person should suffer the pain of those he killed. IN order to effectively do that, the person to be punished needs to sit in jail and rot for the rest of his life. Really, not that many prisoners watch cable TV and play billiards all day. Life in prison may give prisoners a chance to reconcile. Also, an eye for an eye, doesn't always work. Seriously, we've all committed crimes in one way or another before, and have we really experienced them back? If someone was raped, the rapist wouldn't be raped back, heck, he might even enjoy it. If you made a huge mistake and the penalty was deathm would you really want to die for it or would you want a second chance? |
Date: 6/18/2001 11:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 29534
i feel that if someone kills someone, they should have the same penalty.  |
Date: 6/19/2001 12:37:00 AM
From Authorid: 18516
I totally agree with ya Tessek!  |
Date: 6/19/2001 9:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 35662
I would be interested to find out where you came up with that 8 million dollar figure. The only thing that can run that cost up is all the legal loopholes they have to go through before the convict reaches the death chamber. If you think it costs less to keep them for life in prison, that is wrong. They are still going to file the appeals and other lawsuits, which tie up the court systems, they are entitled to legal representation at no charge, we have to build multi-million dollar facilities to hold them. Hire people to watch them, buy food, clothing, books, computers, electricity, heating, cooling, water, maintain the facility, dispose of the waste, take care of their medical needs, pay for education, psychiatric care and PAY THEM. Someone like McVeigh would be held in solitary because the other prisoners would have a sense of honor and try to kill him, like they do pedophiles, and that requires more man power as well as a higher cost per prisoner. The argument that the government is sending the wrong message by killing these criminals is also wrong. If you will look at the middle eastern countries that have extremely severe punishment for murder and stealing, you will find a low crime rate. There is a real deterence there. The criminals are punished, harshly and swiftly. Here in America, a lot of criminals have a better life inside jail than outside. By this I mean there basic needs are met, food, clothing, shelter. They also know that with overcrowding even if they commit the worst crime, they have pretty good odds of getting a slap on the wrist. In the middle east, if you murder someone, you are stoned to death. If you steal, they cut off your hand. If you are imprisoned, you dont get a/c, as a matter of fact, if your family doesnt bring you food, you don't eat. Oh, and Angelbelle, those arn't contradictions in the bible. You took them out of context. The bible refers to not killing, as in commiting murder, it has provisions for causing death accidentally. In defense of the death penalty, it says in Gen 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed". As for judging, God is the only one who can judge a man's salvation. He appointed Moses to judge the people and then further divided it from there. The bible does talk of forgiving others. But, it also tells you that there is a consequence for your action. If you stole a car, you might feel really sorry, and you wouldn't do it again, but you would still be punished because it is the consequence of the crime. They can't even plead ignorance of the law, most criminals know the law better than you or I. --- Ed ---  |
Date: 6/19/2001 11:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 23367
I support the death penalty, but when you think about it, its their way of getting out. They dont have to suffer, they just get out of their problem. Its a simple way out for them. They need something harsher: lease dont make me regret i said that::  |
Date: 6/19/2001 12:18:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16612
I agree. The lethal injection and the gas chamber just aren't good enough. Heck, I don't commit heinous crimes, but sometimes I wouldn't mind getting out of it by taking a peaceful lethal injection.And those horrible criminals are getting it for free!  |
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Date: 6/19/2001 1:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 36352
Tesser your cool most of the time, but you have some real issues. AngelBelle |
Date: 6/19/2001 1:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 25183
I agree with the death penalty. If the punishments were harsher, maybe the crime rate would go down. I response to author 27398, I have a brother and sister in law that work for a maximum security prison, and those guys have it pretty darn easy. Even those on death row. DoodleBug  |
Date: 6/19/2001 2:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 33817
We were all sentenced to death the moment we became alive. We have EVERY right to decide who lives and who dies. POWER1  |
| Date: 6/19/2001 2:53:00 PM From Authorid: 28356 THE DEATH PENALTY IS NOT PUNISHMENT,NOR IS IT REVENGE.THE DEATH PENALTY IS THE ONLY WAY SOCIATY HAS OF PROTECTING ITS SELF FROM MAD DOGS.A MAN IS GIVEN THE D.P. NOT FOR KILLING BUT BECAUSE THE JURY OR JUDGE THINK IF EVER GIVEN A CHANCE HE WILL KILL AGAIN. IF A DOG IS RABID AND BITES SOMEBODY YOU KILL HIM.YOU DONT TORTURE HIM.YOUR NOT PUNISHING HIM, ITS NOT REVENGE, YOUR JUST PUTTING HIM OUT OF HIS MISSERY AND PREVENTING HIM FROM BITING SOMEONE ELSE.PLEASE DONT SAY ,JUST LOCK HIM UP FOR LIFE,HE IS A MAD DOG.IF NOT PUT DOWN EVEN IN PRISON HE CAN HURT PEOPLE.I LIVE IN A PRISON TOWN.LAST YEAR A CHAPLIN REACHED INTO A CELL THROUGH A SMALL SLOT IN A SOLLID DOOR TO GIVE A MAN A BIBLE.THE MAN GRABBED THE CHAPLINS ARM,PULLED IT INTO THE CELL,BROKE IT,AND STARTED TRYING TO CUT IT OFF WITH A HOMEMADE RAZOR.EVEN IN A PRISON A MAD DOG WILL FIND A WAY TO HURT SOMEONE.OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A SOCIATY REQUIRES US TO PROTECT OURSELVES.I DONT CARE IF THE DOG WAS ABUSED AS A PUP,OR EVEN IF THE DOG IS RETARTED,I DONT WANT HIM BITING ME OR ANYONE ELSE. PONDHOPPER |
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Date: 6/19/2001 3:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
Um...not all people given the death penalty are crazy psychos y'know. |
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Date: 6/19/2001 4:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 36352
How can you compare a rabid dog to a human being? And how can you say it's not punishment? The judge even says: "You will be punished the maxaim the law allows." As for having it easy; i gaurntee you if you where locked up, no matter how many amenities you had you would go nuts. A.B |
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Date: 6/19/2001 4:57:00 PM
From Authorid: 36352
I guess if it is so cozy in prison, why don't you get locked up? A.B |
| Date: 6/19/2001 9:02:00 PM From Authorid: 36988 Mahatma Ghandi, "An eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind" Hugo |
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Date: 6/20/2001 8:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 35662
Who said it was so cozy? I said that SOME people had a better life in jail than out. By that I meant the Primary needs were met, food, shelter & clothing. Their secondary needs are certainly infringed on while in jail. While I agree with the death penalty, the points being brought up here about Justice, and the punishment should fit the crime... Well, that sounds fair, but that would be lowering ourselves to what these criminals have done. Terrorizing other people. As it is with lethal injection, they basically go to sleep and don't wake up. Their victims, certainly didn't get that nice a treatment, but I don't think torturing them is the right thing. We have a problem with criminals here in america. That being that we have more criminals than detention space. We have to solve that problem first, and it isn't done by building more prisons. The only other option is deterence. I think criminals should absolutely FEAR going to jail, and they don't right now. --- Ed --- |
Date: 6/21/2001 3:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
as the commandments state: "Thou Shalt Not Kill" I'm a strong opposer to the death penalty. I've said it a thousand times and I shall say it again Two wrongs DON'T make a right!  |
Date: 6/21/2001 4:26:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16612
LOL. Becky, the Bible supports the Death Penalty very much. Leviticus 18 2 says, "If a man lies with mankind as with womankind, they shall be put to death and their blood shall be upon them." The old testament basically says the Death Penalty should be given for a lot of things, so the Bible supports the death penalty very much so. |
| Date: 6/21/2001 4:47:00 PM From Authorid: 37169 First of all if you want to use the Bible to justify the death penalty then you must in turn understand the Bible. We now live in A.D. not B.C. The Old Testament was before Christ it gave order to an orderless world. Now we live in the New Testament which is after Christ. The New Testament says that you should take lessons from the Old Testament, but live life by Jesus' example which is written in the New Testament. No longer are we supposed to be vengeful ( an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth) We are supposed to be more spiritualy mature then to seek revenge. Which is all the death penalty is. Just seeking revenge. It is true that overall it cost more for the government to seek the death penalty over a life sentance. In this day in age do you really think that we couldn't put a person away for life and not have to worry about thim. Case in hand Timmothy McVeigh the first person to be put to death by the Federal Government in 38 years. This is exactly what the man wanted. It is he that triumphed over all of his victims. The select few that were able to view his execution all agreed that they didn't get what they wanted out of him and that they all agreed that he had gotten what he wanted. Would it not be a more severe punishment to lock someone up for life having to look at pictures of their victims. To have to live 24/7 listening to sounds of their victims pains. I think that this would be appropriate punishment. I say lock them up for good in a solitary cell with no contact with the outside world. Other than constant reminders of what they had done. The only reading material that they can have is letters and statements from their victims, and/or their victims families. Questions/ Comments? Gandolf |
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Date: 6/21/2001 4:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16612
That might be appropriate punishment in some cases, but some of those sickos are so derranged that they get stimulated by victim's screams and stuff.So it wouldn't work in all cases. Keeping them in prison just takes so much of our tax $$ away. |
| Date: 6/22/2001 4:10:00 PM From Authorid: 37169 I agree that may not be the best punishment for all, it was just an example. I do however feel that it is not our right to judge if a person should live or die. We have the right to protect the general public by locking up violent criminals forever, though. If you look it up you will find that it does cost less to lock a person up for life vice putting them to death, and solitary confinment drives a person insane. Try and lock yourself up in a closet for a day, no fun I promise that. |
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Date: 6/22/2001 4:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 35662
I still don't see how it is cheaper to lock them up for life. I know the lethal injection isn't liquid gold. Where would I "look this up"? Everything I have ever read talks how it cost like $45,000 a year per prisoner to keep them in jail. --- Ed --- |
| Date: 6/22/2001 5:24:00 PM From Authorid: 37169 Not really sure on where to look it up. I'll have to look myself. I make the comment that life is cheaper than death based on something I read a while back. I have a really good memory for what seems to be useless information. Hehe I'll get back with you if I can find anything... SMILES < Gandolf > |
| Date: 6/25/2001 11:54:00 AM From Authorid: 28356 it is probably cheeper to exicute a rich man than incarcerate him for life,but then the rich do'nt get the death penalty.the rich are usually not even convicted.if you look at oj simpsons dream team of lawyers you can figure out why. the average man on death row comes from less lofty financial hieghts.his legal team while less dreamy were provided at no cost to himself by the prosicuting legal district.the quallity of this representtation while not the best money could buy,is none the less expensive and "competent".failure on the part of the court to see that proper representation is provided will result in the conviction being overturned.this means that the whole expensive process starts over again. trying a death penalty case costs a million or so dollars.then once a death sentence is handed down the apeals prosess is automatically started.the man may be tried 2 or 3 times after appeals courts find various "errors" in the cases.the legal bills just keep pileing up.small or poor districs sometimes accept plees in exchange for life sentences because they can not afford to prosicute a death penalty case. pondhopper |
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Date: 6/29/2001 5:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
I've been hearing alot of people saying one reason they're in favour of the death penalty is because otherwise, the prisoner would be costing money in prison. Am I the only one who sees something wrong in killing someone to save money? |
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Date: 6/29/2001 5:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16612
There's nothing wrong about killing a violent criminal. |
Date: 7/2/2001 12:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 38474
I support the death penalty. I just don't agree with the cost to prosecute the criminals.......Racquie  |
Date: 7/20/2001 5:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 31145
I am sort of sceptical about about the death penalty, but if they are going to use it, I would think they should only use injections or gas, because the eletric chair is a cruel, horrible, and really savage way to kill someone!  |
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Date: 7/20/2001 5:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16612
That's why it's a good way .They deserve it. |
Date: 7/20/2001 6:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 35572
God spared Cain.  |
Date: 12/21/2001 9:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 32613
SUPPORT THE FREAKIN DEATH PENALTY! HOW could ANYONE object to that? a freakin eye for an eye. grrr that kind of stupid crap makes me mad. if u kill someone, u should be killed love  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 32613
OOOOH WAIT!! or we can shoot them limb by limb by limb..if it's a quick death, how can they suffer for hurting so many?! love AGAIN |
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Date: 12/21/2001 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 32613
HEY Racquie!!!! Since it costs sooo much just take a freakin gun to their heads...geez love |
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