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Date: 6/14/2001 7:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 27852
I'm not a christian....even so, I disagree with what is stated(no offence). For me, I believe that all men were created equal, women are to follow them! We know God exists but not his image. It's ridiculous for anyone saying he knew god. Anyway, Men are not superior but they simply have the potential qualities that we women don't have,therefore men lead and women follow. women are suppose to be delicate and ever so precious. Men love them therefore, women is essential for men to live, thank you. *^*lawa-17*^*  |
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Date: 6/14/2001 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 23367
im not christian but i am catholic, and that just plainly makes me mad to think that we are inferior, without us men would be nobody, no offense guys : ) we need eachother to thrive. who cooks who cleans who cares we do!!!!!!! and i hate the fact that women are always subjected to cleaning and cooking!!!!!!!!  |
| Date: 6/14/2001 8:03:00 PM From Authorid: 22457 I agree with you, very much...and I'm a man. |
| Date: 6/14/2001 8:04:00 PM From Authorid: 22457 I agree with you, very much...and I'm a man. ***TRIAD |
| Date: 6/14/2001 8:05:00 PM From Authorid: 22457 Nirvanian...if I'm not terribly mistaken Catholics ARE Christians. Where did you ever get such an idea?! ***TRIAD |
Date: 6/14/2001 8:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 33803
I despise any man that thinks they're better than us. I don't think that's exactly what it meant!  |
Date: 6/14/2001 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 25209
I agree with lawa-17!! But I am very curious as to why people have nothing better to do than pick the *BIBLE* apart and give us their meaning of it?? I also doubt very much that it says in the Bible that it is alright to rape women!! I think you may need to completely read the Bible before you pick passages apart and try to explain them yourself!!  |
Date: 6/15/2001 1:13:00 AM
From Authorid: 31783
I have read a good chunk of the Bible. It's the main reason I don't follow it. I have read these passages before but couldn't remember which they were. At the time I didn't right it down because I wasn't trying to find flaws. I was trying to learn. I also remember the rape verse, just not which it was- sorry. Thank you for posting this. I'm entertaining the thought of coming out of the closet with my spirituality and need every scripture I don't agree with. (Not literally, the list would be too long) Keep the posts coming. I especially like the way you organized several scriptures on one topic. I'd like to see more of that. ~Jetamio~  |
Date: 6/15/2001 6:15:00 AM
From Authorid: 34476
Continue to read Ephesians 5. vs25-30 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself, for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body." Looks to me like BOTH men and women need to respect each other, according to the scriptures. Rape?? I've seen this accusation before. I guess it depends on your definition of rape. Fornication and adultery are BOTH condemned in the bible, so I believe rape is not something the bible promotes. Or are we talking about arranged marriages?? These marriages, apparently, are considered to be rape by some people I have talked to, yet I believe this would only be their opinion. --Paranoid--  |
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Date: 6/15/2001 10:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 31783
No it was actual rape. I don't remember it word for word because, well, I really just don't care. I also remember the verses you speak of. Frankly I don't care whether I'm cherished by my master or not for I will have no masters. ~Jetamio~ |
Date: 6/15/2001 4:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
There were at one time a number of "matriarchal" cultures. The Gnostics treated women equally in their beliefs. Women were right on par with men in the spirutal circles. It was only when the "patriarchal" culture of the Hebrews followed by the Jewish Christians and thus the christian belief took hold that 'patriarchal" cultures gained in dominance as they came under the control of the "patriarchal church". These writings you refer to really have nothing to do with God or one's relationship with the Creator. That relationship is purely a personal thing. These are the ramblings of men who sought to dominate women by using supposed god-inspired writings to sign the death warrant to womans equality. It's still heavily practiced in a number of cutures today. Even today, so many women follow it like blind lemmings.My opinion. steer clear of this male-dominated belief and let those who wish to submit to it have their equality denied. BTW, I'm a male. Peace,  |
| Date: 6/15/2001 11:08:00 PM From Authorid: 32386 Please read the rest of St. Paul's passage again, as Paranoid provided -- too many like to overlook that second half, since they'd rather see St. Paul a sexist, which he was not. Rather than read it through the cross-eyed feminist view, which will ALWAYS distort its meaning, read it as St. Paul intended it: that the husband IS head of the family, while the wife is the HEART of it. The reason the husband is the head is because he is to mirror the relationship of Christ to the Church, for which He gave His life. THIS is why Jesus is head of the Church; because He shed every drop of His blood for Her, His Bride. And this is to be the attitude of every husband: that he would do the same, whether dying bodily or daily dying to self, for his wife and children. If he does not keep the good of his family as the focus of his decisions for it, then they are in no way obligated to follow or obey. However, if he DOES act and decide with the welfare of his wife and children as his goal, then yes... they ARE obligated to follow his lead, as he is doing the best he can for his family, and setting the Christlike example God expects... and DEMANDS that he set. Peter (Rock_CIA) |
| Date: 6/15/2001 11:15:00 PM From Authorid: 32386 Also, here's a good exercise for all Christian husbands, Catholic or Protestant: Whenever you see a Crucifix (even if you normally don't care for them)... put YOUR face there, mentally, on the face of Christ -- because THIS is to be your attitude toward your wife and children: that you would DIE for them, whether in body or to your own selfishness. This is why you are head of your families: you must be willing to give EVERYTHING for them, as did our Lord for the Church. He was not above shedding every last drop of His blood for His Bride and Her children, Head though He was; the same self-sacrifice MUST mark your actions toward your wives and children also. Peter (Rock_CIA) |
| Date: 6/15/2001 11:31:00 PM From Authorid: 13371 One thing I never understood was why women weren't (and many times still aren't) allowed to preach. What is so different between our mouths and tongues that women aren't allowed to spread the word alongside men? That has always bothered me. Morrigan |
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Date: 6/15/2001 11:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 17525
Hypatia was one the highest spiritual teachers and prophetesses of Greece until she was skinned alive by the christians with broken oyster shells on her own altar. True spiritual adeptness knows no gender. JMO Peace, |
Date: 6/16/2001 1:27:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 34625
That oassage doesn't prove anything to me. It describes a sort of master-servent relationship where the master is to be good to the servant. Master-servant is never equality no matter how nice the master is to his servants. ~Nekomimi  |
Date: 6/16/2001 5:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 27554
It was a punishment given to women after Eve ate from the tree of knowlegde. We were complete equals until Eve fed the fruit to Adam. I'm not the most religious person, but that's what I think. I don't like it very much either cuz I'm a woman also.  |
Date: 6/16/2001 6:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 9713
I noticed this too. A question that comes up to me a lot is why I chose to look for something other than Christianity.Or why I don't follow the bible. This is one of the reasons. I say "Because the bible is sexist" Everyone asks how, so I show them. I think its terrible. I also think that shows how much of a fraud the bible is. People actually believed these things a long time ago, so I think they wrote it down the way that they had always known.  |
| Date: 6/17/2001 7:49:00 PM From Authorid: 32386 Since St. Paul wasn't commanding a master-servant relationship in that passage, it doesn't matter if we THINK he was. He understood the total, reciprocal self-giving relationship intended by God for spouses, who, while equal in dignity, were never meant to be equal in FUNCTION. This last idea is a result of 20th Century feminism, which seeks sameness between the genders in everything. Looking at all the angry, often childless, embittered go-getters that this philosophy has made of so many women, who deserve so much better, I suggest we rethink our relationships with each other. Peter (Rock_CIA) |
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Date: 6/18/2001 3:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 34625
Peter- contrary to what you think, women do not need men and children to make our lives fullfilled. This is what the feminist movement is about- women and men being equal, not being the same. of course there are differences but one can be different without being inferior or superior. ~Nekomimi |
| Date: 6/20/2001 11:33:00 AM From Authorid: 32386 Actually, Nekomimi, when I referred to many of today's modern feminists as "often childless" (and I guess I should have clarified this), I meant that modern feminism espouses the idea that women should be "free" of anything that hinders their climb to material success, which unfortunately includes children, according to this way of thinking. Which is why contraception & abortion (two sides of the same coin, by the way) are such a big part of society nowadays. Since children, by the standards of radical feminism, are burdens, feminism encourages preventing their being born, whether by contracepting them into non-existence, or murdering them in the womb. That's what I meant by the "often childless" remark. And yes, there is a certain sadness in many of these women who have put their careers and personal advancement over marriage and children. It's because they see the great good they've willingly deprived themselves of. One last thing. I don't mean this as an attack or judgment on you personally. Just so you know. Peter (Rock_CIA) |
| Date: 6/20/2001 2:40:00 PM From Authorid: 22457 In the church I was raised in women are accepted into the ministry. The church elders, however, are men, and have final authority. ***TRIAD |
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Date: 6/20/2001 4:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 34625
Peter- well of course, that's only radical feminism. I'm not saying radical feminism is right. I'm talking about gender equality, which is not the same at all. ~Nekomimi |
Date: 9/4/2001 5:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 33922
I am sorry...I just think it is in the way NONbelievers percieve the bible. I have studied alot on religon...I grew up in private school, if you truly know the bible you can understand it .And there ius a big difference in the new testiment and the old....Good post for a DEBATE...  |
Date: 9/4/2001 6:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
I do not think rape is promoted in the Bible. I do agree that there are some "sexist" (for lack of a better word) remarks included, but the times have changed. I'm sure God wants it this way or else it wouldn't be like this.  |
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