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Date: 6/13/2001 6:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 20296
ummmmm...who says you own them??? glad to be back at home, huh dizzy sis *huGz*  |
Date: 6/13/2001 6:54:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Hi CBlossom, I had to start off right, do ya think this debate is contreversial (sp?) enough?  |
Date: 6/13/2001 6:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 33925
Let me tell you there are lots of days when I would have gladly GIVEN my kids away!!! But I cant...I guess after a while I would miss the screaming and yelling....LOL..Seriously though..lets debate now...Kids are not property..they are a privilage for us to raise..they have been entrusted to us to raise and nurture..and we should never take that responsibility lightly. xoxo Ladyluck  |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 29534
good question, although i don't see my children as property, but as gifts. i would never, for any reason want to sell my children, i worked hard for nine months to get them here, it wasn't a waste of my time. so why would i want to sell them???? |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 17876
First of all i dont think that parents exactly OWN their children, but they are responsible for guiding them through life properly. Secondly, i think that in some cases selling children would be perfectly fine (if the child gets placed in a good home). I think the problem arises when people realize that there is good money in selling children and then they would try to get pregnant as often as possible so that they can make money off of it. (please dont take this the wrong way) but there is no need to bring more children than can be cared for into this world! Look in some of the 3rd world countries where families have 9, 10, 11 or more children! They arent living a good life, they are barely surviving! i think that before people start having children for personal gain they should try to help the children already living. Hope that this helps! Great post!  |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 10245
I threaten to sell mine at least once a week!  And they're pretty cute, I bet we could get quite a bit for them!  |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 28633
hmmm that is a good question. My goodness I really don't know what to say about this. Well, you did it and you know what happens when you do that. You bring a child into this world. You should raise it because you are the one that did it. Yeah it might of been good but still. Then you should of not done that and use something so that does not happen again. I guess I would not sell my child (if I had one) because I did that and I need to be reasonable of what I did. I need to take care of my child now. If I give it up then, yeah my child might be better. But still with your parents help and everyone help I think it will still be fine. But if your family does not help you our or they hate children then yeah give it up. It needs to go some where safe and better. If you give up your child. Don't you think that you will be thinking about your child and you only see it a few time a year or months or maybe not at all. When your child gets older, do you know how it is to find your really parents? They will want to know who their real parents are. I guess that is my opinion. ~*~*~*~Sweetgirl15~*~*~*~  |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 33955
I don't think your children are your property the are human beings..that were a gift to you from god. You don't sell another human being..ladi.T.  |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 35572
"Your children are not your children. They are the suns and the daughters of light longing for itself. They come through you but they are not from you; and you can try to be like them but you cannot make them just like you." -- Kahil Gibran, "The Prophet" (brought to you by your good buddy Shadrach who wants you to read a little more before asking such weird questions...)  |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
why is it ok to adopt but not ok to sell kids? |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 16612
I don't see why parents should not be allowed to sell their kids.I think it would cause a problem because alot of ppl would be having kids and selling them, and the world is already way over populated.  |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:16:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Tesseck, I actually agree with you, I don't think that people should be allowed to do so for the reason that you stated, Everyone already knows how I feel about overpopulation and birth rates and all that so I will spare you all my usual speech. Can you imagine if it were actually legal to sell your kids? It would be crazy... |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:19:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Starbright. what if it were legal only to sell the children that were already in this world and in the third world countries... if those families could sell their kids and get some money maybe they could better themselves. ??? |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:20:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Lady T-- not all people consider their kids to be gifts from God-- some people consider them burdens |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 28633
Ok to your other question then. Adopt is different then selling them. I mean you are bring that child into a home where it is safe because there real parents did not want them. Now you want to give them a save and peaceful place. Where they can be loving and care for. ~*~*~*~Sweetgirl15~*~*~*~ |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:22:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
What about BUYING the kids that people just toss away in China for instance... That is going on... People here in the U.S. who cannot have kids buying the girl babies born in China and giving them a home... |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 7654
I think that a child is a gift to us, one that we should cherish and be thankful for.I don't think that a human being should have a value put on them.We are responsible for them because with our actions they were given to us.  |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:25:00 PM
From Authorid: 33803
They are NOT YOUR property. They are human beings,which grew in your stomach. lol. I think that's cruel to sell them. It's THEIR choice. You're just there to take care of them.  |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:30:00 PM
From Authorid: 28633
ok now in china ~ Yeah in China they can not have over one child because they have so many people there. They make them give them up, which I think is wrong to do. But a least the US can give them a place to live. So that is good. ~*~*~*~Sweetgirl15~*~*~*~ |
Date: 6/13/2001 7:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 7152
No children you shouldnt be able to sell you kids, its a life, and its not your own. You may have created it, but that doesnt give you the right to destroy it. jeesh, i am not even going to answer the next quesitons.  |
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Date: 6/13/2001 7:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 7152
How can you put a price on a life? |
Date: 6/13/2001 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 11348
This is a good question. Your children are yours in a sense, but they are not your property. Property is a thing, a child is a human being. To sell children, you're making a profit off of a life... and who is to say how much a kid should be sold for? It's just not moral... children should be treated as humans rather than objects. And about the China thing.. I didn't know that, but that's different. While I do think it's wrong, if buying a child is the only way to save the life, then it's ok.  |
Date: 6/13/2001 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 23866
Lol, you aren't exactly a kid person are you, Dizzy? No, I don't think you sould sell kids. First of all, the moral thing. Secondly, how could you be sure who was REALLY buying the children and for what purpose? Kids are "ours" to watch over and bring up, not to own. And that also opens up another can of worms: If children could be bought and sold like cattle, how old would a child have to be before they were "granted" human status? And how would you define the age? I don't have kids myself, but from all my ovservations it seems like WE more or less belong to our children instead of the other way around.  --Lady Amalthea  |
Date: 6/13/2001 8:56:00 PM
From Authorid: 13897
i don't believe you own a life other than your own.  |
Date: 6/13/2001 9:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 6814
I don't think they are your property they are childern not pets or chairs or something that you own, well at least that is my thinking on the issue  |
Date: 6/13/2001 9:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 16845
a human being is NO ONES property. therefore no you shouldnt be able to sell them. morally, ethically it's wrong. No one should makea profit off of another human being. if you want the kid to have a better life there is something called adoption....  |
Date: 6/13/2001 11:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 8374
i say that humans are not property period and i do think that it's bad that you just sell them..if you're talking about adoption then that would be ok i guess but SELLING? for money? that then is wrong...  |
Date: 6/14/2001 2:55:00 AM
From Authorid: 26733
you dont own them, its your responsibility to take care of them - if you dont you go to jail -(child neglect)  |
Date: 6/14/2001 6:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 11091
I don't feel that children are our property, but more like a loan. We have them for 18 years to treat right and raise to be good people. Then are lease is up and they go to live on their own. I fear if people were allowed to see children they would be brought into the world for profit and not out of love. Having children would become a status symbol, like good China, nich house, sports car, etc. I also fear if we are allowed to see children they would be considered property and then could be forced to work at a young age or used on for experimentation. People have rights, property doesn't, only the owner of the property.  |
Date: 6/14/2001 7:07:00 AM
From Authorid: 10733
LOL.. now this is funny.. I can't tell you the number of times I've thought about selling my kid.. hehe but in a more serious note. Children are not property they are human beings only becaue he gave birth to them doesn't mean they are you property. We are responsible for the things they do because we are the teachers and the mentors of these children and we are responsible for teaching them how to act in society, until they are of age.  |
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Date: 6/14/2001 7:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 20296
I was once offered 10,000 dollars to mother (with my husband) a child for this gypsie family that lived next door to my in-laws. they found me quite "beutiful" and told me that their son could not have kids.....and offered to pay me, like I said, a lot of money. The desperately wanted me...didnt know why my "looks" mattered so much to them at the time. I told them I would think about it...now before anyone judges me, I had no money and one child already. I thought maybe the money would make my existing child's life easier....so I did entertain the thought. they seemed like very nice people and desperate for a baby to love. however, in investigating...I found out that they did not school their children (the girls anyways)...they primed them for resale to a husband. there was NO WAY I could take a chance that the baby I would have was a girl...and with more thinking...there was no way I could "sell" a baby (even if I knew from the very beginning that the baby would never really be mine. ok...judge away. |
Date: 6/14/2001 9:33:00 AM
From Authorid: 6528
A human being is not property. What are your feelings on slavery Dizz? *Be gentle, this is possibly the first time I have ever dared to debate*  |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:36:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Aphrodite, what does slavery have to do with anything? |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:43:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Dark Angel, I don't know if I agree with your comment. Just because I give birth to a child doesn't mean that I am "JUST there to take care of them", as you say... |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:44:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Magenta Blue do we really even own OUR OWN life? |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 7152
because slaves were sold, and you want to sell you children, sounds kinda the same to me! |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 7152
I feel the same way about animals, I don't belive any life should make someone a profit. Its a life, and its not your own, you don't have a right to take control over it. You have the right to take care of it, make sure its safe, but not to destory it. |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:46:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Blue Girl, selling slaves and selling a child is not the same thing. If, as I said above, someone here in america bought a girl baby from China to give her a better life, would THAT be the same as buying a slave? I think not. |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
I'll be back later, I have a doctors apointment, I will answer more comments later |
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Date: 6/14/2001 9:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 7152
Hmm, dizzy, I just don't belive thats what you meant, but whatever. |
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Date: 6/14/2001 10:08:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
Blue Girl, you are going to think what you want to think regardless of what I say, so whatever to you too... Anyways, i really am leaving now...BBL |
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Date: 6/14/2001 11:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 7152
Okay Dizzy, let me ask you this question. Whats the going market value for a child? I mean what kind of value would be put on one. How much do you think you can get for a child? I don't understand your concept of your question. Are you saying that if someone gets pg and doesnt want it, and inside of adoption, they say well hell, we can make some money off this kid! Is that what you mean? In china you can only have one child. If you have more then one, and you inform the government, and the usa, the usa can come and take the child to america. But in china, if you don't tell any one and you TRY to SELL a child, the child, and the person buying can get killed, and no one would ever know. People do sell children, I watched a ture moive on it. These people made the parents belive that it was a adoption clinic and when they had there babie they told them it died, but lied to them, and sold the baby. Now, these people that were involved with this, were heartless and insane. How could you even begain to price a life? How can you put a for sale sign on a baby? If you have too many do they go on sale? Half Price? I just don't understand how any one, can ever, even think about saying, I want kids so I can sell them! Thats what I think! |
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Date: 6/14/2001 1:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 30996
no selling, if your child needs a better home than what you can provide, than you go through adoption. it's the law. and thats the way it is. people who sell thier children are really terrible people. they are all selfish. my opiion. Speed  |
Date: 6/14/2001 2:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 31783
Good one Dizzy. I've thought about this before. I found that the answer is No we shouldn't be able to. Besides the ethical and moral issues of it. People would have babies for monetary gains. I could make a killing off of it. I have given birth to three healthy, smart, attractive, athletic, etc children. In a business sense I would be considered a "Proven breeder of high quality stock". I could be rich- but it's just not right. ~Jetamio~  |
Date: 6/14/2001 5:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 27118
I say if you want to sell them why no? I mean it is supposed to be your responsibility to raise them, but if you don't want to and you can sell them to a good buyer, why not? People sell dogs. Same concept right? It is for those who believe animals and people should have the same rights. I wouldn't sell mine but if someone else wanted to I would not disagree. SPEEDRACER  |
Date: 6/14/2001 11:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
Hey girl, whaz up? I'm surprised at you. Are you studying "freaky Freud, too?" I mean, kids being your property? I don't think so. However, they are your responsibility, as well as your heritage "from the Lord". Therefore, if you are a "true parent", the idea of selling your child would have to be abhorrent and foreign and therefore NOT AN OPTION. Free Girl  |
Date: 6/15/2001 1:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 15976
Why would you want to sell your kidz?? I don't understand that I mean you spend 9 months of pregnancy then u go thru ALL the pain to have this child, and then you sell the child?? I simply don't understand that and plus kids are HUMAN BEINGZ not ANIMALS we are NOT property that u can just decide that you don't want one day!!! If you are going to concieve a child and then sell it then maybe, you don't need to be having unprotected sex or maybe you aren't in your right mind, and that'z my opinion!!!  |
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Date: 6/15/2001 6:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 33955
As far as I am concerned every life given is a gift from god... I know so many ppl who would give anything just to have a child but they can't, I feel very lucky that god saw fit to give me and my husband our 3 boys.... As for those who have them and consider them a burden then I think adoption is a better choice because there is always a family out there somewhere just waiting for god to send them an angel...ladi.T. |
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Date: 6/15/2001 8:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 12004
Im truly glad that you dont have children....if you consider them property then you dont deserve such a gift.. does you fiance share the same feelings as you do?...if so I hope you two remain childless....  |
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Date: 6/16/2001 7:06:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 9130
ktsue i don't want to sell my children when I have them, this is just a topic for debate. |
| Date: 3/26/2002 7:45:00 AM From Authorid: 51739 When you start to think of humans as property something is wrong. It seems to me the child would be born to a specific parent to learn from that parent, if you 'sell' them then it completely destroys that. |
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